Anonymous
11/21/2019 09:15
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.
But don't the 24 children and teacher feel psychological danger and physical danger when chairs/desks are thrown at them 1-3 times per week? It seems allowing the
unregulated child to remain in general and gifted classrooms can cause psychological danger and physical danger to the regulated children and teacher prior
to them walking out of the classroom.
Do special ed classrooms not exist anymore? Back in the day unredulated children would be in special ed classrooms regardless of whether they were gifted or not.
The lock in a closet rooms did not exist.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 09:12
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.
Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.
Plus 1.
The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.
Are parents of children with behavioral disabilities not allowed to have a job? Should they just wait around to pick up their child because their child is not receiving an appropriate education? Or should we just make a decision that these disabled children should just not get any education?
Anonymous
11/21/2019 09:10
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.
Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.
Plus 1.
The parents should be called to pick up their child when he/she is out of control.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 09:07
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.
Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.
I don't disagree that everyone should be in a safe environment. Nobody disagrees with that! The question is how to keep everyone safest when something DOES happen. In that case, we need to keep everyone- the disabled student, the other children, and the teachers- as safe as possible. The safest way to do that for all of the people mentioned is to clear the class. If that happens more than once in a non special ed classroom, then I believe everyone feels that it would be appropriate to look at a different placement in order to keep everyone safe. The problem is not the focus groups- it is often the counties not having the money to do what is right for everyone. But it is certainly not the fault of the disabled child. That child did not ask to get placed into a room that does not have the right amount of support. That child does not deserve to be shoved into a room because the bureaucratic shit show our counties are can't provide the child with FAPE. Don't blame the teachers, kids, or parents. Blame the ones that are not providing for the children!
Don’t even get me started on FAPE.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:56
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.
Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.
I don't disagree that everyone should be in a safe environment. Nobody disagrees with that! The question is how to keep everyone safest when something DOES happen. In that case, we need to keep everyone- the disabled student, the other children, and the teachers- as safe as possible. The safest way to do that for all of the people mentioned is to clear the class. If that happens more than once in a non special ed classroom, then I believe everyone feels that it would be appropriate to look at a different placement in order to keep everyone safe. The problem is not the focus groups- it is often the counties not having the money to do what is right for everyone. But it is certainly not the fault of the disabled child. That child did not ask to get placed into a room that does not have the right amount of support. That child does not deserve to be shoved into a room because the bureaucratic shit show our counties are can't provide the child with FAPE. Don't blame the teachers, kids, or parents. Blame the ones that are not providing for the children!
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:49
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.
Again, the teacher and other students shouldn’t have to move “out of harms way” AT SCHOOL.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:48
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
The people who want to keep this kids in class at the expense of everyone else. One lady on another thread reasoned that a kid “only throws chairs a few times a week.” Like this wasn’t too bad.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:39
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
We are talking about whether it's okay to hurt the child. Pushing the kid into a seclusion room is causing psychological danger and often also physical danger. Clearing a room is not intended to leave teachers to get injured. They should absolutely not be in danger's way and able to move around the room out of harm's way which will be safer than trying to force an out of control flailing child into a room/closet.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:36
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Are you fine with the incidences in the lawsuit against FCPS?
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:33
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Who said it was ok?
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:31
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“So the article is missing the other part - if this doesn't work, what does? Where is a system or protocol that keeps everyone safe, de-escalates the situation, allows teachers and students to keep teaching and learning and is not detrimental to kids?
What is the solution?”
+1 million
Require parents to attend school with the child and handle restraining or removing the child as needed.
You expect parents to sit in the school office all day in case their child melts down and they are needed to assist in calming the child?
No, she wants to punish the parents for having a disabled child.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:28
Subject: The quiet rooms
So Illinois is not using the rooms as intended and that definitely should be corrected. But at that doesn’t mean they are abused everywhere. SN kids can’t hurt people, even their teachers. I can’t believe some parents are okay with that.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:26
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“So the article is missing the other part - if this doesn't work, what does? Where is a system or protocol that keeps everyone safe, de-escalates the situation, allows teachers and students to keep teaching and learning and is not detrimental to kids?
What is the solution?”
+1 million
+1M more. I'm an IA in a SpEd classroom. I'm reasonably young and athletic, and that's probably the only reason I haven't been seriously injured on the job. Other colleagues haven't been so lucky. You'd better be able to move fast if a 220 lb kid lunges at you. Anyone who thinks this is a rare occurrence or something that can be easily deescalated is welcome to sign up to substitute teach.
So how do you get that 220 pound “kid” into the seclusion room? How is that safer for ANYONE than evacuating the other children in the room?
I didn't. We don't use those rooms where I work. We clear the room when these incidents happen. This has happened multiple times this year and the first quarter just ended. The other kids in the class are getting screwed because of it and seem a lot more agitated when this child is at school. Their parents are complaining and I don't blame them. It's a crappy situation all around.
It sounds like the BIP put in place by the school systems behavioral psychologist needs to be revised (or it’s not being followed).
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:24
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:If you remove the other children, aren't you creating a defacto seclusion room?
Not really. Adults are still in the class interacting with the child and he can move around. It is pretty different from sticking a child in a locked empty closet and staring at him.
Anonymous
11/21/2019 08:15
Subject: The quiet rooms
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“So the article is missing the other part - if this doesn't work, what does? Where is a system or protocol that keeps everyone safe, de-escalates the situation, allows teachers and students to keep teaching and learning and is not detrimental to kids?
What is the solution?”
+1 million
+1M more. I'm an IA in a SpEd classroom. I'm reasonably young and athletic, and that's probably the only reason I haven't been seriously injured on the job. Other colleagues haven't been so lucky. You'd better be able to move fast if a 220 lb kid lunges at you. Anyone who thinks this is a rare occurrence or something that can be easily deescalated is welcome to sign up to substitute teach.
So how do you get that 220 pound “kid” into the seclusion room? How is that safer for ANYONE than evacuating the other children in the room?
I didn't. We don't use those rooms where I work. We clear the room when these incidents happen. This has happened multiple times this year and the first quarter just ended. The other kids in the class are getting screwed because of it and seem a lot more agitated when this child is at school. Their parents are complaining and I don't blame them. It's a crappy situation all around.