Anonymous wrote:Interesting that there are two fictionalized accounts now -- "The Queen" with Helen Mirren and "the Crown" that depicit Elizabeth II as unable to process and understand the emotional reactions of the country. The Queen dealt with Elizabeth's reaction (or lack thereof) to Diana's death and inability to come to grips with the nation's mourning. Very similar to the Aberfan situation. Definitely worth a watch. Yes, this is fiction, but there are themes here that carry over and make the viewer wonder what is going on in this woman's mind.

Both "The Queen" and "The Crown" are created by the same person, Peter Morgan. He also wrote the play "The Audience" which dramatizes Elizabeth's audiences with all of her prime ministers.

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

DP, but I do wonder how the writers could possibly know what was said in private meetings between the Queen and the PM and between her and her son Charles.

The show is FICTION.

DP. The show is based on the real lives of real people. While it’s not a documentary, the viewer naturally assumes it sticks closely to their actual lives. It’s not about Narnia, for example.

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

DP, but I do wonder how the writers could possibly know what was said in private meetings between the Queen and the PM and between her and her son Charles.

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Exactly what I’ve been thinking throughout the series. I wonder exactly how the royal family, particularly Elizabeth, Philip, and Charles, feel about this depiction of their private lives. I can see making this after they’ve died, but while they’re still living?

I thought the casting was spot-on with Philip, Charles, and Anne. Tobias Menzies is incredible as Philip, as is Josh O’Connor as Charles. Both are very affecting. And the resemblance between Anne and the actress who plays her is astonishing.

Criticisms: I love Olivia Coleman and Helena Bonham-Carter, but really think they could - and should - have kept Claire Foy and Vanessa Kirby for this time period. They could’ve subtly aged them. Coleman and Bonham-Carter both look too old and the resemblances aren’t as close as they were with the original two actresses. Coleman, in particular, looks older than Philip. It’s very distracting.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished the episode where Charles goes to Wales. So intense; so painful.

It's amazing to me; that was 1969, and Charles is STILL not king...he's 71 now; still waiting.

I've lived through the whole Lady Diana, then Princess Diana, era and have nothing bad to say about her. But unlike many of the (American) populace, I never hated Camilla. It truly was such a love story, and proves that love can transcend youth and beauty.

The pressure to conform; the stripping away of basic things that could make one happy--like having a voice, having the freedom to choose your own mate--to see how while Charles has so much, he doesn't have what you and I have. In this episode, which had nothing to do with romance, you can see the set-up for the later drama of Diana and Camilla.

Not to be too crass about it but Americans aren't the ones who threw produce at Camilla in the grocery lanes...

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that there are two fictionalized accounts now -- "The Queen" with Helen Mirren and "the Crown" that depicit Elizabeth II as unable to process and understand the emotional reactions of the country. The Queen dealt with Elizabeth's reaction (or lack thereof) to Diana's death and inability to come to grips with the nation's mourning. Very similar to the Aberfan situation. Definitely worth a watch. Yes, this is fiction, but there are themes here that carry over and make the viewer wonder what is going on in this woman's mind.

There's plenty more than two. In the 80s there were the terrible TV movies supposedly outlining the "romance" between Charles and Diana. I think they were even made here in the US. So bad.

Interesting that there are two fictionalized accounts now -- "The Queen" with Helen Mirren and "the Crown" that depicit Elizabeth II as unable to process and understand the emotional reactions of the country. The Queen dealt with Elizabeth's reaction (or lack thereof) to Diana's death and inability to come to grips with the nation's mourning. Very similar to the Aberfan situation. Definitely worth a watch. Yes, this is fiction, but there are themes here that carry over and make the viewer wonder what is going on in this woman's mind.

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

DP, but I do wonder how the writers could possibly know what was said in private meetings between the Queen and the PM and between her and her son Charles.

The show is FICTION.

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

This whole thread is comparing the show to the real life people being portrayed.

This was the first time I’ve ever considered her standoffish behavior than being more than merely being aloof.

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

DP, but I do wonder how the writers could possibly know what was said in private meetings between the Queen and the PM and between her and her son Charles.

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What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.


Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

You do understand that this is fictionalized, no?

Anonymous wrote:It was so good! I’m sad it’s over.

But it's not over! IRL
And there is so much more to look forward to

Poor Charles.

It was so good! I’m sad it’s over.

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand yet is why she was so cold as a mother. I understand the sense of duty, stoicism and all that, but her father was king, yet her parents were very loving and warm with her and her sister. Was it because when she was little, neither she nor her father were expected to become monarch?

I would have liked to see that fleshed out in the series somehow.

Her open admission during one of the shows about her complete lack of feelings (I think she was talking to the PM and described it as a personal deficiency) made me think she might actually be on the spectrum.

Who is to wonder why?