Anonymous wrote:I'm not voting Democrat until they get past this craziness over transgendered and race.

No, disproportionate results in a population is not de facto racism.

Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing how “amoral” has become the Dems newest catchphrase. I guess they finally caught on that “racist” was so overused that normal people now ignore their hysteria. “Amoral” is headed that way too.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second. Someone doesn’t identify w/ current Democratic “messaging” (my words), and you’re calling a troll?

Really?
Why? You do that to your own detriment. Come on, guys. Get real. I’m 100% certain OP is legit because I know a lot of people just like OP.

Yep.

I think some posters need to get out of their liberal bubble and see that there are people who think differently than they do.

I don't disagree with the existence of the liberal bubble, but you have to be a giant dummy not to see that the current perception of the Democratic party as being "too far left" is being driven by GOP propaganda, and not the actual messaging. If you are getting your news from Fox and believe that all the Democratic candidates are for immediate abolition of the border and don't care about the coming brown menace ... well then, I don't think the problem is the liberal bubble.

Wow, dude, we are talking about Democrats who don’t identify anymore! We watch MSNBC and read the New York Times and the Economist and listen to NPR! I’m telling this to you because some PP’s aren’t quite understanding... we’re not talking about Republicans or Fox News watchers.

what do you concretely not identify with? 10/10 that it's actually a right-wing caricature. That's not to say there are not extremists on the left - of course there are - but that's always been the case. If you can't distinguish between the party mainstreams and extremists who have little influence, I don't know what to tell you.

My dissatisfaction has nothing to do with a "right-ring caricature" of Democrats. You have to be very careful not to blow off legitimate feelings and disagreements.

Again, tell me exactly what your feelings and disagreements are such that you are a Democrat who would now vote for Trump or sit out the election? In detail please.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second. Someone doesn’t identify w/ current Democratic “messaging” (my words), and you’re calling a troll?

Really?
Why? You do that to your own detriment. Come on, guys. Get real. I’m 100% certain OP is legit because I know a lot of people just like OP.

Yep.

I think some posters need to get out of their liberal bubble and see that there are people who think differently than they do.

I don't disagree with the existence of the liberal bubble, but you have to be a giant dummy not to see that the current perception of the Democratic party as being "too far left" is being driven by GOP propaganda, and not the actual messaging. If you are getting your news from Fox and believe that all the Democratic candidates are for immediate abolition of the border and don't care about the coming brown menace ... well then, I don't think the problem is the liberal bubble.

Wow, dude, we are talking about Democrats who don’t identify anymore! We watch MSNBC and read the New York Times and the Economist and listen to NPR! I’m telling this to you because some PP’s aren’t quite understanding... we’re not talking about Republicans or Fox News watchers.

what do you concretely not identify with? 10/10 that it's actually a right-wing caricature. That's not to say there are not extremists on the left - of course there are - but that's always been the case. If you can't distinguish between the party mainstreams and extremists who have little influence, I don't know what to tell you.

My dissatisfaction has nothing to do with a "right-ring caricature" of Democrats. You have to be very careful not to blow off legitimate feelings and disagreements.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vote.

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Such a predictable script.

Indeed. Anyone who would think that Trump would be a better pick for the country after what he has pulled is either brain-dead or completely amoral. Period. End of discussion.

You are entirely missing the point. You’re talking about Democrats who hate Trump, lol, but neither do they identify with the left. It’s called the “middle” and it’s where most of America belongs.

Yes, I agree with your point about the "middle". I count myself as a person in the middle.

But any reasonably intelligent person who
-gives thought to how they feel about individual policies and issues and tries to educate themselves through multiple sources about these issues
-believes in the Constitution and the protections it affords
-believes in the system with three branches that provide checks and balances
-believes that our politicians should not only be held to ethical standards, but HIGHER ethical standards than the average citizen because of the power that they wield and the way their decisions affect all of us now and in the future
-believes that good relations with allies around the world are essential for the safety and security of American citizens at home and abroad
--I could go on but hopefully you get it--
any person who holds these things dear cannot possibly support Trump. Even if you took a chance on him in 2016, thinking he might rise to the occasion, it is clear he cannot and will not.

If you love this country, if you believe in the principles it was founded on, you cannot continue to support Trump. And right now, on the national stage anyway, the GOP has lined up behind him to defend his obviously wrong behavior.

The Democrats are not a monolith. If you fear the policies of the more left-wing members of the party, don't vote for them. Vote for a more moderate candidate. They exist. If you don't think so, you aren't paying attention.

I’m a PP, not one who would ever vote for Trump, and I agree. He is a despicable lawless person, and has violated every norm we value as Americans. Unfortunately, when you have someone as extreme as Trump, some people go in the opposite direction.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vote.

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Such a predictable script.

Indeed. Anyone who would think that Trump would be a better pick for the country after what he has pulled is either brain-dead or completely amoral. Period. End of discussion.

You are entirely missing the point. You’re talking about Democrats who hate Trump, lol, but neither do they identify with the left. It’s called the “middle” and it’s where most of America belongs.

Yes, I agree with your point about the "middle". I count myself as a person in the middle.

But any reasonably intelligent person who
-gives thought to how they feel about individual policies and issues and tries to educate themselves through multiple sources about these issues
-believes in the Constitution and the protections it affords
-believes in the system with three branches that provide checks and balances
-believes that our politicians should not only be held to ethical standards, but HIGHER ethical standards than the average citizen because of the power that they wield and the way their decisions affect all of us now and in the future
-believes that good relations with allies around the world are essential for the safety and security of American citizens at home and abroad
--I could go on but hopefully you get it--
any person who holds these things dear cannot possibly support Trump. Even if you took a chance on him in 2016, thinking he might rise to the occasion, it is clear he cannot and will not.

If you love this country, if you believe in the principles it was founded on, you cannot continue to support Trump. And right now, on the national stage anyway, the GOP has lined up behind him to defend his obviously wrong behavior.

The Democrats are not a monolith. If you fear the policies of the more left-wing members of the party, don't vote for them. Vote for a more moderate candidate. They exist. If you don't think so, you aren't paying attention.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vote.

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Such a predictable script.

Indeed. Anyone who would think that Trump would be a better pick for the country after what he has pulled is either brain-dead or completely amoral. Period. End of discussion.

Do you even hear yourself? Do you hear how much you sound like the Taliban? Or fundamentalist Christians?

No thanks. I'll keep my 'amoral' vote for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who was close to trump is in prison or on their way there.

I still don't believe there is anyone who voted for Hillary who is considering Trump. Let's try another whopper!

This image is now out of date since Stone was CONVICTED!

Sheesh. But tell me again how you look at a large field of qualified candidates and think no, trump's my guy? I mean, he's your guy if you need to shake down someone or get your buddy Rick Perry to score you some big contracts but come on...

I’m not the OP, but I am voting for Trump.

I don’t look at it and think ‘he’s my guy’. I do think that I am voting based on what matters to me. And, currently, Trump has my vote.

So you are a billionaire or racist? Those are the people who benefit from his plans.

A billionaire? Don't I wish. Not in a million years. My HHI is under $140K and we live in Silver Spring, MD. My kids go to a high FARMS/high ESOL school. So, I see on a daily basis how illegal immigration affects my life and I'm voting based on that.

Oh you are that poster. My kids go to a school with FARMS and english as second learners. I don't know their immigration status, and further more I have no idea how you would know anyone's immigration status. You make a lot of generalizing claims on multiple threads about how you know so many illegal immigrants and they aren't here to escape from anything but are instead here for jobs.

It is tiresome and transparent.

Tiresome? LOL

It's tiresome to be called a troll simply because you don't agree with the 'progressive' Democrats.

It's tiresome to be called a racist simply because you support Trump.

It's tiresome to have all your concerns summarily dismissed because you are not in lockstep with Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so politically lost. I grew up in a "vote Democrat or die" home and was raised to believe that Republicans were the source of all problems in America. However, as the Democrats moved further to the left and I saw firsthand how the culture and policies of dependency impacted my family, I identified less and less with Democrats (I'm also a closeted pro-lifer and I'm not very sympathetic to illegal immigration so that doesn't help in today's Democratic Party). However, the current GOP is repulsive and amoral and there's no way in heck I can support their agenda which I think is chipping away at our democracy. I'm not going to vote Republican (haven't since Bush at the national level), but I don't feel wanted by the Democrats, so I feel lost. Voting for a 3rd party might feel emotionally right but won't help to solve our nation's problems. Is anyone else feeling lost and disillusioned in today's political world? If so, how are you coping with it?

OP, this is me also.

Have voted Democrat in ALL the last presidential elections.

Agree that the Democrats have gone so far off the rails, and that I absolutely do not feel that they care about or want my vote.

I am actually going to be voting for Trump in the next election. I don’t like him as a person, but I can say that about many people I work with.

It is what it is.

Pick what issues matter most to you and vote based on those. Agree that you will not align completely with any candidate.

Such a predictable script.

Indeed. Anyone who would think that Trump would be a better pick for the country after what he has pulled is either brain-dead or completely amoral. Period. End of discussion.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-raises-millions-during-impeachment-hearings-212610351.html

I read somewhere that Trump and the RNC have raised something $330 million. There are likely many brain dead and amoral people out there apparently, according to you.