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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

I love how you generalize and speak for so many people! And overlook the unstable home countries where people are literally being raped and tortured and murdered by not only drug traffickers but also gangs and also law enforcement! Way to go. You must be so proud of your ability to paint with a broad brush.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

Exactly.

I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.

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Anonymous wrote:I will note that all DACA does is protect them from deportation and make them eligible for work permits. It does NOT make them citizens.

The DREAM act provides a path to citizenship for them. Not automatic citizenship, but rather a path to it.

And allows all sorts of other benefits at the expense of other legal immigrants and citizens.

What benefits do they get that other legal immigrants and citizens do not?

Depends on where they live.

Free health insurance in California.

Free college tuition in New York.

Many of the families work at ‘cash only’ jobs so that they can demonstrate an artificially low income in order to qualify their kids for free meals, free health insurance, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The real problem is not daca- its the archaic 14th amendment that was created to make sure states recognized former slaves and descendants of slaves as citizens.
It turned into the shit show of birth tourism and anchor babies.

DACA is a rounding error compared to that, while good intended, stupidly worded train wreck of work.

+1. Yep, birthright citizenship is a very problematic modern legacy of our sinful past. We need to change it desperately, but we essentially can’t.

It doesn't really need to be changed. Instead, the government can simply insist on the 'spirit' of the Amendment and getting back to why it was truly written.

That needs to happen OR we'll be seeing some very drastic restrictions on immigration and laws around entering the US.

Strangely Native Americans living on reservations weren't considered citizens until the 1920's after an act of congress and NOT the 14th amendment. I'm sure someone can find a legal rationale with regards to ending birthright citizenship as justification.

We can thank the Boomers for the chain immigration and terribly short sighted immigration policies that have brought us where we are.

Anonymous wrote:This whole issue boils down racial politics and voting demographics. A lot of Trump voters view this as a tipping point toward irreversibly changing the racial makeup of the voting and breeding population in America, thus accelerating the gradual decline of America and the end of white hegemony in America. This is the harbinger of the end for them; hence the hardline stance of the base that caused Trump to pull out of previous deals. He would be pilloried by his base if he granted amnesty in any form or fashion.

The country already is majority minority for the under 15 year old population. https://www.brookings.edu/research/less-than-half-of-us-children-under-15-are-white-census-shows/

Funny how the people who passed Hart Kellar said the demographics and nature of the country wouldn't change.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?

So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.

Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.

If America is an idea, and citizenship is merely a piece of paper, then they can go be "americans" back in their country of origin.

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again, we are talking about real human beings here. People who were brought here as children and only know this country. It is just cruel to force them back to a country they never knew that is probably dangerous and violent.

Then work to change the law. But don't tell us that we shouldn't enforce the rule of law just because you don't like it.

I personlly think that we need to let more people into this country legally, but I am not about to advocate for those who want to come here (or already have come here) illegally.

I have been saying this for years!

If you want to change the law to make it easier to immigrate here legally, then you should advocate for that.

Advocating for illegal immigration benefits nobody. It doesn’t benefit the illegal immigrants (who are being exploited) and it doesn’t benefit the communities where the illegal immigrants end up. It only benefits the wealthy business owners who can pay crap wages and get cheap labor.

Anonymous wrote:Won't this just encourage more foreigners to bring their children into the US illegally?

I get the argument about how the children were not at fault, but I also think that the US needs to enforce its laws. If there is something wrong with the law, then the law should be changed. But allowing people to break the law without penalty is a problem for me, as is anything that would encourage illegal behavior in the future.

Of course it encourages more immigrants to come here illegally.

Just like offering free health insurance encourages more immigrants to come here illegally.
Just like offering drivers’ licenses to illegal immigrants encourages more immigrants to come here illegally.
Just like offering free college educations encourages more immigrants to come here illegally.

The fact that we have not enforced negative consequences for illegal immigration has led to more illegal immigration.

Unfortunately, there are many wealthy people who benefit greatly by exploiting illegal immigrants, so there is no motivation to quell the influx.

No comments how many of the families came here specifically because of US foreign policy promoting wars in their home countries? Both legally and illegally funding these wars?

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

NP

I wonder this also.

What in the world kind of crazy logic is being used here?? Parents commit a crime by coming here illegally. Kids reap benefits.

Right. It shows what ignorant fools we are, as a nation, that we allow DACA and birthright citizenship. Talk about giving it away for free!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will note that all DACA does is protect them from deportation and make them eligible for work permits. It does NOT make them citizens.

The DREAM act provides a path to citizenship for them. Not automatic citizenship, but rather a path to it.

And allows all sorts of other benefits at the expense of other legal immigrants and citizens.

What benefits do they get that other legal immigrants and citizens do not?

They're stealing from that pot of money.

They need to go back.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?

So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.

NP

I wonder this also.

What in the world kind of crazy logic is being used here?? Parents commit a crime by coming here illegally. Kids reap benefits.

“I would be more than happy for Trump to test the limits of birthright citienship and force the Supreme Court to rule on the issue once and for all, as he is doing with DACA. That’s a lot easier than a constitutional amendment.”

+1

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Anonymous wrote:The real problem is not daca- its the archaic 14th amendment that was created to make sure states recognized former slaves and descendants of slaves as citizens.
It turned into the shit show of birth tourism and anchor babies.

DACA is a rounding error compared to that, while good intended, stupidly worded train wreck of work.

+1. Yep, birthright citizenship is a very problematic modern legacy of our sinful past. We need to change it desperately, but we essentially can’t.

It doesn't really need to be changed. Instead, the government can simply insist on the 'spirit' of the Amendment and getting back to why it was truly written.

That needs to happen OR we'll be seeing some very drastic restrictions on immigration and laws around entering the US.

I agree. I would be more than happy for Trump to test the limits of birthright citienship and force the Supreme Court to rule on the issue once and for all, as he is doing with DACA. That’s a lot easier than a constitutional amendment.