Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?
If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?
So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.
Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.
Exactly.
I live in a MoCo neighborhood with a high number of illegal immigrants and my kids go to school with their kids. We know many of these families and that is exactly the case for most of them. They are here to earn money. Plain and simple.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?
If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?
So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.
Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I will note that all DACA does is protect them from deportation and make them eligible for work permits. It does NOT make them citizens.
The DREAM act provides a path to citizenship for them. Not automatic citizenship, but rather a path to it.
And allows all sorts of other benefits at the expense of other legal immigrants and citizens.
What benefits do they get that other legal immigrants and citizens do not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The real problem is not daca- its the archaic 14th amendment that was created to make sure states recognized former slaves and descendants of slaves as citizens.
It turned into the shit show of birth tourism and anchor babies.
DACA is a rounding error compared to that, while good intended, stupidly worded train wreck of work.
+1. Yep, birthright citizenship is a very problematic modern legacy of our sinful past. We need to change it desperately, but we essentially can’t.
It doesn't really need to be changed. Instead, the government can simply insist on the 'spirit' of the Amendment and getting back to why it was truly written.
That needs to happen OR we'll be seeing some very drastic restrictions on immigration and laws around entering the US.
Anonymous wrote:This whole issue boils down racial politics and voting demographics. A lot of Trump voters view this as a tipping point toward irreversibly changing the racial makeup of the voting and breeding population in America, thus accelerating the gradual decline of America and the end of white hegemony in America. This is the harbinger of the end for them; hence the hardline stance of the base that caused Trump to pull out of previous deals. He would be pilloried by his base if he granted amnesty in any form or fashion.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?
If they were born in a different country, by definition they are citizens of that country - if citizenship to a country is not a strong connnection, why in the world are they trying so hard to become American citizens?
So they can drive and hold jobs without fear of being ripped away from their family.
Ahhhh, so they want to be Americans not because of some sense of connection to what it is to be American, but rather a selfish desire to drive a car, make money, and being closer to their family. Here I thought they were claiming some patriotic identiy of being an American. Thanks for clarifying that for me. They are no different from any other economic migrant who wants to be here for convenience.
Anonymous wrote:again, we are talking about real human beings here. People who were brought here as children and only know this country. It is just cruel to force them back to a country they never knew that is probably dangerous and violent.
Then work to change the law. But don't tell us that we shouldn't enforce the rule of law just because you don't like it.
I personlly think that we need to let more people into this country legally, but I am not about to advocate for those who want to come here (or already have come here) illegally.
Anonymous wrote:Won't this just encourage more foreigners to bring their children into the US illegally?
I get the argument about how the children were not at fault, but I also think that the US needs to enforce its laws. If there is something wrong with the law, then the law should be changed. But allowing people to break the law without penalty is a problem for me, as is anything that would encourage illegal behavior in the future.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?
So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?
Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.
Solid plan.
NP
I wonder this also.
What in the world kind of crazy logic is being used here?? Parents commit a crime by coming here illegally. Kids reap benefits.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I will note that all DACA does is protect them from deportation and make them eligible for work permits. It does NOT make them citizens.
The DREAM act provides a path to citizenship for them. Not automatic citizenship, but rather a path to it.
And allows all sorts of other benefits at the expense of other legal immigrants and citizens.
What benefits do they get that other legal immigrants and citizens do not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?
So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?
Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.
Solid plan.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The real problem is not daca- its the archaic 14th amendment that was created to make sure states recognized former slaves and descendants of slaves as citizens.
It turned into the shit show of birth tourism and anchor babies.
DACA is a rounding error compared to that, while good intended, stupidly worded train wreck of work.
+1. Yep, birthright citizenship is a very problematic modern legacy of our sinful past. We need to change it desperately, but we essentially can’t.
It doesn't really need to be changed. Instead, the government can simply insist on the 'spirit' of the Amendment and getting back to why it was truly written.
That needs to happen OR we'll be seeing some very drastic restrictions on immigration and laws around entering the US.