Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 14:12     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have the authorities talked to the little brother? Not that a 3 year old can always be a reliable "witness..."
How convenient that the child who would have been a more reliable witness (the 9 year old sibling) was in the car instead of playing with the other kids.


The mom is only 19. She didn't have a kid at 10. The 9 year old is her sibling's kid.

And they have detained the mom's boyfriend, an illegal immigrant from Mexico. But he's being held by ICE, not local police, so he apparently didn't do it and is just being deported.


I'm not saying the guy did it but how do you know that he didn't do it? He's being detained by ICE after the police said that any witnesses to this should come forward whether they are in the country illegally or not - All they want to do is find Dulce.

And then they go ahead and detain the boyfriend for deportation anyway???


If they were charging him in the US, he would be held by state gov/ federal depending on degree of kidnapping charges. ICE can't do anything with punishing him for a crime, so if they gave him over to ICE- then he is just illegal, that's the only crime they're charging him with.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 14:08     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My heart goes out to this family and little girl. All of us have taken our eyes off our children. This weekend we were at my son’s game with my daughter playing on the side of the field. I turned around and she was gone. Like nowhere in site. My first thought wasn’t to scream or call 911. I had a feeling of panic but my rational self said she was playing somewhere on the crowded sidelines. So I went looking all over and it was a good 15 min later when I found her sitting back where I had left. She saw a friend from her class and went to see her. They weren’t far but I didn’t see them. My point is, parents take their eyes off their kids and it is almost always okay. This time it wasn’t for this little one and my heart breaks for them.


The difference is that you were right there with your daughter and you did locate her within 15 minutes. I agree that sort of thing does happen. It happened to me once and the time I spent looking for my son was maybe 5 minutes - it felt like an eternity. The panic was building when I suddenly saw him thank God.

Dulce may have been gone for 10 or 15 minutes before her mother even started to look for her and by the time she actually called the cops her daughter had been gone for an hour or more.

I'm not going to beat that 19 year old mother up. She used some very poor judgement but she is not responsible for a stranger abducting her child.



The difference is that PP's daughter was there to be located. I'm not saying the 19 year old was exercising the best possible judgment but it's not so terrible as to be neglect, either. Not like she dropped the kid off and went to smoke dope for a few hours and then came back. (Actually I think her leaving a 3 year old on the playground is worse.)

Anyone who says they have never taken their eyes off their children either is lying or has only one child and is neurotic to boot. I have a five year old who has walked away from me while I'm paying for his shoes at a counter. Am I supposed to have a 5 year old on a leash? Yeah, I punished him afterward, but the point is he walked away of his own volition while I was engaged in procuring things he needs for his daily life. Or if I take him and his 3 year old sister to the playground, and I'm pushing the 3 year old on the swing, it would be easy for him to slip off. Kids do stuff. I know I did as a kid. Heck, I used to cut chapel as a 13 year old (religious school, chapel 3 days a week) and go for a walk off campus, and slip back in when I knew chapel was ending. It never occurred to me that anything could happen to me from a safety perspective and if it had, no one would even have known I'd been off campus.

All you can do is try to train your kids not to do this and pray that nothing bad happens to them on the inevitable occasions when they disobey.


IF this all went down exactly the way that this mother has described she was, at best, careless. Her delay in calling the police may very well helped her child's abductor to elude capture.

She made some errors in judgement. She is not responsible for her daughter being abducted.

IF, however, there is more going on and the mom knows something that she isn't telling the police then I'm not sure what to think. Her story sounds fishy to me but that might be because she is so young and does not have the best judgement.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 14:03     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My heart goes out to this family and little girl. All of us have taken our eyes off our children. This weekend we were at my son’s game with my daughter playing on the side of the field. I turned around and she was gone. Like nowhere in site. My first thought wasn’t to scream or call 911. I had a feeling of panic but my rational self said she was playing somewhere on the crowded sidelines. So I went looking all over and it was a good 15 min later when I found her sitting back where I had left. She saw a friend from her class and went to see her. They weren’t far but I didn’t see them. My point is, parents take their eyes off their kids and it is almost always okay. This time it wasn’t for this little one and my heart breaks for them.


The difference is that you were right there with your daughter and you did locate her within 15 minutes. I agree that sort of thing does happen. It happened to me once and the time I spent looking for my son was maybe 5 minutes - it felt like an eternity. The panic was building when I suddenly saw him thank God.

Dulce may have been gone for 10 or 15 minutes before her mother even started to look for her and by the time she actually called the cops her daughter had been gone for an hour or more.

I'm not going to beat that 19 year old mother up. She used some very poor judgement but she is not responsible for a stranger abducting her child.



The difference is that PP's daughter was there to be located. I'm not saying the 19 year old was exercising the best possible judgment but it's not so terrible as to be neglect, either. Not like she dropped the kid off and went to smoke dope for a few hours and then came back. (Actually I think her leaving a 3 year old on the playground is worse.)

Anyone who says they have never taken their eyes off their children either is lying or has only one child and is neurotic to boot. I have a five year old who has walked away from me while I'm paying for his shoes at a counter. Am I supposed to have a 5 year old on a leash? Yeah, I punished him afterward, but the point is he walked away of his own volition while I was engaged in procuring things he needs for his daily life. Or if I take him and his 3 year old sister to the playground, and I'm pushing the 3 year old on the swing, it would be easy for him to slip off. Kids do stuff. I know I did as a kid. Heck, I used to cut chapel as a 13 year old (religious school, chapel 3 days a week) and go for a walk off campus, and slip back in when I knew chapel was ending. It never occurred to me that anything could happen to me from a safety perspective and if it had, no one would even have known I'd been off campus.

All you can do is try to train your kids not to do this and pray that nothing bad happens to them on the inevitable occasions when they disobey.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 13:57     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have the authorities talked to the little brother? Not that a 3 year old can always be a reliable "witness..."
How convenient that the child who would have been a more reliable witness (the 9 year old sibling) was in the car instead of playing with the other kids.


The mom is only 19. She didn't have a kid at 10. The 9 year old is her sibling's kid.

And they have detained the mom's boyfriend, an illegal immigrant from Mexico. But he's being held by ICE, not local police, so he apparently didn't do it and is just being deported.


I'm not saying the guy did it but how do you know that he didn't do it? He's being detained by ICE after the police said that any witnesses to this should come forward whether they are in the country illegally or not - All they want to do is find Dulce.

And then they go ahead and detain the boyfriend for deportation anyway???
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 13:54     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have the authorities talked to the little brother? Not that a 3 year old can always be a reliable "witness..."
How convenient that the child who would have been a more reliable witness (the 9 year old sibling) was in the car instead of playing with the other kids.


The mom is only 19. She didn't have a kid at 10. The 9 year old is her sibling's kid.

And they have detained the mom's boyfriend, an illegal immigrant from Mexico. But he's being held by ICE, not local police, so he apparently didn't do it and is just being deported.


No, she just had a kid at 14. And another one at 16. And is pregnant again. So we can deduce from this that she has excellent judgement.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 13:52     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Well where is she?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 13:49     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have the authorities talked to the little brother? Not that a 3 year old can always be a reliable "witness..."
How convenient that the child who would have been a more reliable witness (the 9 year old sibling) was in the car instead of playing with the other kids.


The mom is only 19. She didn't have a kid at 10. The 9 year old is her sibling's kid.

And they have detained the mom's boyfriend, an illegal immigrant from Mexico. But he's being held by ICE, not local police, so he apparently didn't do it and is just being deported.


PP you quoted.

Yes, I know the 9 year old was not her kid. From what I had read, it was HER sibling, so Dulce's aunt.

Regardless, it doesn't matter how the 9 year old was related. A 9 year old is going to be better able to recall events, articulate the story and just in general be a more reliable witness than a 3 year old.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 13:36     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:Have the authorities talked to the little brother? Not that a 3 year old can always be a reliable "witness..."
How convenient that the child who would have been a more reliable witness (the 9 year old sibling) was in the car instead of playing with the other kids.


The mom is only 19. She didn't have a kid at 10. The 9 year old is her sibling's kid.

And they have detained the mom's boyfriend, an illegal immigrant from Mexico. But he's being held by ICE, not local police, so he apparently didn't do it and is just being deported.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 13:28     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm from south Jersey about 10 miles from where this happened and have been following reports friends on FB have been posting. I still don't understand how any "witnesses" have described in great detail the abductor - how tall he is, his race, his lack of facial hair but the fact he has acne, what he was wearing, the style of car - but no one thought to grab a license plate number or, I dunno, maybe start screaming that a little girl was being lured into a van?!

Something is seriously fishy here.


Agreed. I think the mom was at that park doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing. I don't know what it was but there is more to this story.


Do you have links to the local NJ reports?


https://www.nj.com/cumberland/2019/09/rampant-rumors-distracting-from-search-for-dulce-maria-alvarez-fbi-says.html
https://www.nj.com/news/2019/09/everything-we-know-about-the-possible-suspect-in-abduction-of-5-year-old-dulce-alavez.html
https://www.fox29.com/news/massive-search-continues-for-dulce-maria-alavez-35k-reward-offered
https://www.fox29.com/video/607019

The mom searched for an hour before calling the police and what, the witnesses said nothing during that hour? Where and when did these eye witnesses come from?

I also had a family member who had the story posted and someone else commented that the mother sold the little girl for $50,000. Guess it's one of the "rumors" going around as mentioned in that first article.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 12:13     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm from south Jersey about 10 miles from where this happened and have been following reports friends on FB have been posting. I still don't understand how any "witnesses" have described in great detail the abductor - how tall he is, his race, his lack of facial hair but the fact he has acne, what he was wearing, the style of car - but no one thought to grab a license plate number or, I dunno, maybe start screaming that a little girl was being lured into a van?!

Something is seriously fishy here.


Agreed. I think the mom was at that park doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing. I don't know what it was but there is more to this story.


Do you have links to the local NJ reports?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 12:11     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Have the authorities talked to the little brother? Not that a 3 year old can always be a reliable "witness..."
How convenient that the child who would have been a more reliable witness (the 9 year old sibling) was in the car instead of playing with the other kids.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 12:10     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:And why would someone planning on committing a crime wear red pants and orange shoes? Was it Ronald McDonald?


Red pants, orange shoes, red van...

Red herring.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 12:07     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
And why would someone planning on committing a crime wear red pants and orange shoes? Was it Ronald McDonald?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 10:55     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:I'm from south Jersey about 10 miles from where this happened and have been following reports friends on FB have been posting. I still don't understand how any "witnesses" have described in great detail the abductor - how tall he is, his race, his lack of facial hair but the fact he has acne, what he was wearing, the style of car - but no one thought to grab a license plate number or, I dunno, maybe start screaming that a little girl was being lured into a van?!

Something is seriously fishy here.


Agreed. I think the mom was at that park doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing. I don't know what it was but there is more to this story.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2019 10:52     Subject: Missing child from NJ- Dulce Alvarez
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My heart goes out to this family and little girl. All of us have taken our eyes off our children. This weekend we were at my son’s game with my daughter playing on the side of the field. I turned around and she was gone. Like nowhere in site. My first thought wasn’t to scream or call 911. I had a feeling of panic but my rational self said she was playing somewhere on the crowded sidelines. So I went looking all over and it was a good 15 min later when I found her sitting back where I had left. She saw a friend from her class and went to see her. They weren’t far but I didn’t see them. My point is, parents take their eyes off their kids and it is almost always okay. This time it wasn’t for this little one and my heart breaks for them.


You were neglectful and I hope you learned your lesson. I feel terrible for this poor little girl Dulce , who was born into such an unfortunate situation.


NP. You are SUCH an asshole.


Because I don't like child neglect?