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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

You honestly can't understand why it matters that one side has all of the money, power and leverage?

You honestly can't understand the life is more complicated than you want it to be?

You sound like an exceptionally deep thinker.

Sounds like someone backed you into a corner that you have to resort to soundbites rather than anything meaningful.

I do accept the argument that power dynamics has a role, but control of power is just one of many ways people relate to one another. Discrimination is still discrimination regardless of where it comes from. It is not a lesser evil if a non-white discriminates against a white person based on the color of the person's skin than it would be if a white person discriminates against the black person by the color of his or her skin. Either way, it is still racial discrimination.

Actually It's that I can see you are unreasonably intransigent and not open to differing ideas or opinions. And the fact that in your muddled thinking you've wandered from classism to racism is evidence enough that it would be a waste of time trying to edify you. I do think it is unfortunate that people like you still exist in 2019.

Back in the late 1980s John Malloy wrote a bunch of books such as "How to Live for Success", "how to dress for success", etc. He outlined in various ways how classes were distinguished from one another. There were very helpful subtle hints about how to emulate the rich in order to become rich. Or, how to dress in a certain way to achieve "upper class success". I read those books and my DH and I copied some of the tips and ended up UMC.

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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

You honestly can't understand why it matters that one side has all of the money, power and leverage?

You honestly can't understand the life is more complicated than you want it to be?

That is not an answer. The "lower" class may be prejudiced against the "upper" class, but how specifically, without money, power, and representation, manifest CLASSISM?

I do accept the argument that power dynamics has a role, but control of power is just one of many ways people relate to one another. Discrimination is still discrimination regardless of where it comes from. It is not a lesser evil if a non-white discriminates against a white person based on the color of the person's skin than it would be if a white person discriminates against the black person by the color of his or her skin. Either way, it is still racial discrimination.

Sure it is. It’s a way, way lesser evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

A big part of racism and classism here stems from the institution of slavery and then government-sponsored actions of redlining. So your example is 100% irrelevant.

While the first part is true, also remember that others experience racism as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

You honestly can't understand why it matters that one side has all of the money, power and leverage?

You honestly can't understand the life is more complicated than you want it to be?

You sound like an exceptionally deep thinker.

Sounds like someone backed you into a corner that you have to resort to soundbites rather than anything meaningful.

I do accept the argument that power dynamics has a role, but control of power is just one of many ways people relate to one another. Discrimination is still discrimination regardless of where it comes from. It is not a lesser evil if a non-white discriminates against a white person based on the color of the person's skin than it would be if a white person discriminates against the black person by the color of his or her skin. Either way, it is still racial discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

A big part of racism and classism here stems from the institution of slavery and then government-sponsored actions of redlining. So your example is 100% irrelevant.

There has been plenty of white-based class discrimination in the United States that have nothing to do with African Americans, but whites judging other whites based on class. Some of it was rooted in ethnic differences. People used to look down on the Irish for being Irish and Catholic, for example. And discrimination against people from Italian heritages was quite real for a long time, because they were seen as "ethnic" and "swarthy" and working class.

And even among people of white Northern European protestant heritages there's always been class nuances and class differences. Spend time in any heavily white small town and you'll see the differences. The white trash was a real thing and poor working whites were often judged and discriminated against as not being respectable.

Even today classism is still pervasive in many ways among the general white population, even if it is not as severe as it may have been in the past, and not as severe as it ever was in Europe. I see it on DCUM all the time. The sneering at Trump voters in WV, for example, reeks of classicism.

I've noticed that in recent decades some people are so obsessed with racism and seeing everything through the prism of black-white racial relationships that they forget, or outright ignore, there's a huge and old history of social discrimination of all stripes in America. Because discrimination is as old as humanity. We are always judging each other and finding reasons to segregate people by values and beliefs and morals and behaviors. Race and ethnicity are just a few of the ways people have divided and judged themselves.

Anonymous wrote:What are some everyday things or actions that you think of as classist? Curious because the term recently came up at a meeting.

Just about every nasty reply to any message on DCUM is a perfect example of "classism". One need look no further than 2 feet away....on their laptop screen.

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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

You honestly can't understand why it matters that one side has all of the money, power and leverage?

You honestly can't understand the life is more complicated than you want it to be?

You sound like an exceptionally deep thinker.

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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

A big part of racism and classism here stems from the institution of slavery and then government-sponsored actions of redlining. So your example is 100% irrelevant.

In DC proper, the issues are black and white. Outside of the DMV, there's a lot more variety and nuance.

Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

A big part of racism and classism here stems from the institution of slavery and then government-sponsored actions of redlining. So your example is 100% irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Any -ism is defined by power. there is a difference between sexism and misogyny. There's a difference between racism and bigotry. There is a difference between classism and prejudice.

these are not distinctions without differences. They are hardcore sociological concepts that help us examine the way we interact with human beings. I wouldn't dismiss those differences out of hand

+1. The mental gymnastics that some are using to conclude otherwise is very telling.

NP. Disagree. Racism goes two ways, as does classism.

The narrow definition that only the powerful group can be -ist towards the other is leaving out all of the areas where power dynamics are different. That definition also leaves out real experiences that people encounter - which leads to cynicism/disbelief.

NP here & I agree. Just because people say over and over that only white people can be racist (or only rich can be classist) doesn’t make it true. We don’t need the definition explained to us. We just disagree with you. By definition these things are judging someone based on race or class. It’s as simple as that. You can still discuss power imbalance without pretending basic words mean something else & scolding everyone that they aren’t using those words correctly.

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Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

You honestly can't understand why it matters that one side has all of the money, power and leverage?

You honestly can't understand the life is more complicated than you want it to be?

Anonymous wrote:Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.

You honestly can't understand why it matters that one side has all of the money, power and leverage?

Having lived in Britain, class discrimination definitely goes both ways.

Just as racism does. I don't believe in this tripe about it only being one way. That is mental gymnasium.