Anonymous
08/14/2019 14:06
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but the Ivy League is largely just a brand today. Leftism, critical race theory, anodother PC nonsense dominate the Ivy League. Kids used to be required to have a reading knowledge of Greek, Latin, AND a modern language JUST TO GET INTO AN IVY. Standards today are a joke.
Yes, it IS a brand, one known for excellence all over the world. If the standards were a "joke" as you say, would most of the schools still have an admit rate of single digits?
"What does one get from attending an Ivy other than professional benefits?
Now THAT is funny.
Anonymous wrote:
It’s not a real thing. “Ivy League” is just a sports conference.
Aaaaannnndddd... it was only a matter of time before this idiot showed up.
We’ve gone through this before and always come back to....in reality, it’s just a sports conference. People may perceive that it’s more than that but that perception is just based on manufactured hype. Not reality.
YOU have come back to it, because YOU won't listen, even though facts are presented showing that the schools do many academic things in concert which have nothing to do with their games. Such as, they all release admissions decisions the same day. They also meet every year to discuss admissions and share EA/ED information. And many more things.
But much more importantly, is what the phrase "ivy league" MEANS. It has a meaning to most of the world - a collection of some of the most elite colleges in the country.
And that won't change, no matter how many times you whine "the ivy league is just a sports conference".
Common admission dates and scholarship guidelines are things that the various college sports conferences do. To keep things fair in sports recruiting.
The phrase has MEANING different from reality. It’s really just a sports league.
Here’s the handbook. It all ties back to sports.
http://ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/manuals/Ivymanual2011-12%20copy.pdf
Most of the public perception of Ivy League has nothing to do with sports. It is of a group of relatively old, highly selective, highly prestigious (although clearly varying from Harvard to Cornell), colleges. Public perception of the SEC is of athletics, particularly football.
Public Ivy isn't a formal thing in the sense that the Ivy League is formally an athletic conference. It was a name created in the 1980s, in a specific book. The author cited a number of colleges that he considered Public Ivy, but the applicability of the term is open to interpretation. Several of the ones originally cited would probably not be considered public Ivy today. He also included the entire UC system if I recall correctly (not just Berkeley or UCLA).
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:57
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
I still think it’s funny that OPs acquaintance shut her down with UNC. HAHA.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:46
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP ...there really is just "Ivy League". People who make up all other sorts of stuff about "Public Ivy" or "regional Ivy" or whatever are just low and middle class strivers.
I came from the middle class and was not smart enough to get into an Ivy. DH and I went to Shitty State U. We've done really well and kid went to a real Ivy. People should just own who they are... I own that I went to Shitty State U.
My friend who went to Georgetown ...said she loved it. But, she recently went to a tour with her niece and the woman doing the tour called Georgetown an Ivy. My friend, who is a really proud grad, said she laughed her head off at the woman's pretentious.
Just tell your friend to "get real". Sure, some people think UNC is a good school, and I bet it is...but no, it's not an Ivy.
Judgmental and class bigoted, aren't you? Yes, there is a thing called a "public Ivy" and it has nothing to do with strivers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
100% contrived by parents who focus on “ROI”. Not a real thing.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:44
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
It doesn't say SUNY Ithaca. Cornell is on the list because there is a public part of Cornell.
Uh, yes. That’s the joke?
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:44
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:OP ...there really is just "Ivy League". People who make up all other sorts of stuff about "Public Ivy" or "regional Ivy" or whatever are just low and middle class strivers.
I came from the middle class and was not smart enough to get into an Ivy. DH and I went to Shitty State U. We've done really well and kid went to a real Ivy. People should just own who they are... I own that I went to Shitty State U.
My friend who went to Georgetown ...said she loved it. But, she recently went to a tour with her niece and the woman doing the tour called Georgetown an Ivy. My friend, who is a really proud grad, said she laughed her head off at the woman's pretentious.
Just tell your friend to "get real". Sure, some people think UNC is a good school, and I bet it is...but no, it's not an Ivy.
Judgmental and class bigoted, aren't you? Yes, there is a thing called a "public Ivy" and it has nothing to do with strivers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:44
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Can you point out where on that list there is a reference to "SUNY Ithaca"? Thanks.
He meant it as a pejorative.
I do think the people who said it (maybe at a hockey game?) did mean it as a pejorative.
BUT it is kinda true.
If you think it's pejorative that Cornell has a world class state supported ag school, then go for it.
I haven’t used it as a pejorative. Nothing wrong with state-supported schools.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:40
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
It doesn't say SUNY Ithaca. Cornell is on the list because there is a public part of Cornell.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:35
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Can you point out where on that list there is a reference to "SUNY Ithaca"? Thanks.
He meant it as a pejorative.
I do think the people who said it (maybe at a hockey game?) did mean it as a pejorative.
BUT it is kinda true.
If you think it's pejorative that Cornell has a world class state supported ag school, then go for it.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:33
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Can you point out where on that list there is a reference to "SUNY Ithaca"? Thanks.
He meant it as a pejorative.
I do think the people who said it (maybe at a hockey game?) did mean it as a pejorative.
BUT it is kinda true.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:10
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Can you point out where on that list there is a reference to "SUNY Ithaca"? Thanks.
He meant it as a pejorative.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:09
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Can you point out where on that list there is a reference to "SUNY Ithaca"? Thanks.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:09
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
Cornell has an interesting history regarding it's statutory colleges. Some info here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090326111507/http://www.oag.state.ny.us/bureaus/appeals_opinions/opinions/2005/formal/2005_f2.pdf
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:09
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to Binghamton and it was referred to as the "Ivy of the SUNY system", but it was said as a joke. People waited to get off of the Cornell waitlist for years!
Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca. Which is kinda true.
Because Ithaca is known for it's academics???
SUNY Binghamton
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY New Paltz
SUNY Ithaca
Etc
Ithaca isn't a SUNY school. It's private. Are you saying that because Cornell is in Ithaca? If so, it doesn't really work. I've never heard it referred to as that, I think you made it up. I am the PP about Binghamton, and if people referred to Cornell as SUNY Ithaca, I would know.
I don't understand the confusion with Ithaca College. I wrote "Cornell is called SUNY Ithaca". I've definitely heard it myself and even think it's kinda true.
SUNY does:
https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
And yet fewer than 25% of the students at Cornell are enrolled in the SUNY partnered colleges.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:06
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I found this humorous but was chatting with another parent and after I revealed my daughter is going to Cornell she said "that's wonderful, my son is going to an ivy too!". I said "that's great, which one?" and she said "UNC, chapel Hill". I said "I'm sorry that's not ivy league"and she retorted "yes it is, it's a public ivy".
I'm sorry but isn't there only one ivy league? My child worked incredibly hard to get into an ivy I frankly think it's rude to misrepresent and say that UNC is ivy league - even though it is a great school.
People in your position should be gracious. Your child has "won." Congratulations to her. Other parents' comments don't diminish her accomplishments.
DP . There's nothing gracious about letting this ill-informed parent continue with their public ivy nonsense. The kind thing to do would be to educate her.
By "educating" you come off as petty and pedantic. You and she both know that it's not a real ivy. Just let it go.
Anonymous
08/14/2019 13:04
Subject: Is "Public Ivy" really a thing?
OP ...there really is just "Ivy League". People who make up all other sorts of stuff about "Public Ivy" or "regional Ivy" or whatever are just low and middle class strivers.
I came from the middle class and was not smart enough to get into an Ivy. DH and I went to Shitty State U. We've done really well and kid went to a real Ivy. People should just own who they are... I own that I went to Shitty State U.
My friend who went to Georgetown ...said she loved it. But, she recently went to a tour with her niece and the woman doing the tour called Georgetown an Ivy. My friend, who is a really proud grad, said she laughed her head off at the woman's pretentious.
Just tell your friend to "get real". Sure, some people think UNC is a good school, and I bet it is...but no, it's not an Ivy.
I came from the middle class and was not smart enough to get into an Ivy. DH and I went to Shitty State U. We've done really well and kid went to a real Ivy. People should just own who they are... I own that I went to Shitty State U.
My friend who went to Georgetown ...said she loved it. But, she recently went to a tour with her niece and the woman doing the tour called Georgetown an Ivy. My friend, who is a really proud grad, said she laughed her head off at the woman's pretentious.
Just tell your friend to "get real". Sure, some people think UNC is a good school, and I bet it is...but no, it's not an Ivy.