Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

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I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With every one of these tremendous acts of cruelty, my only solace is that despite the grotesque defense of this hideous administration - this makes Trump lose support with communities whose votes he needs.

This man was a Christian, and prior to now Trump has had support among Iraqi Christians because they believed he would protect them.

Now they see he won't. Let's see how many of them are living in swing states:

"Metro Detroit—home to one of the largest Iraqi diasporas in America, along with Chicago and San Diego—also contains the largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq, with estimates between 120,000 and 150,000."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/april/iraqi-chaldean-christians-face-deporation-aclu-court.html

Remind me again how much Trump won Michigan by? Oh yeah fewer than 11,000 votes.

My good friend is Christian, but she was born in Iran - and raised Muslim. Her family, however, is still practicing. Her parents - dual citizens - travel back and forth to Iran, spending a few months there to visit family.

Her brother, who works for a big company, travels internationally. I realize this is anecdotal, but there's no fear living here or traveling outside of the US. I've flat out asked, and we've had conversations around it.

They do come from money, which may make a difference.

So I do question news outlets and perspectives quite a bit, as I'd rather hear it from people affected. (And no, they are not the "only Muslims" I know who aren't fearful.)

We could discuss this all day, but I do believe that this man's mental illness was a big factor in how he was treated.

This is a particular group - Iraqi Christians. Not Middle Easterners more broadly. There are a lot of them in Michigan - which, again, Trump won last time by a hair.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/17/iraqi-christians-face-deportation-conned-trump

Ten years ago, police caught the Iraqi Chaldean immigrant Rani Yousuf with a small amount of marijuana. He completed probation, paid fines, and the conviction was dropped from his record when he turned 21.

Still, earlier this year, Yousuf found his car surrounded by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officers who arrested him again over the charge. He sat for months in a Michigan county jail facing the prospect of deportation to Iraq, a country he left at four years old. He has no family there, doesn’t speak Arabic, and is part of a religious minority targeted by extremists.

“As a Catholic who has tattoos of crosses, and Iraq being a Muslim country – they probably would kill me,” he said.

Yousuf is one of over 1,400 Iraqi nationals who the Trump administration is attempting to deport. Most of those are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics – living in metro Detroit, which holds the world’s largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq.

The administration’s deportation efforts are viewed by many Chaldeans as a shocking “betrayal”, not least because many in the community have been enthusiastic supporters of Trump and voted for him in large numbers in 2016.

The generally conservative community with between 70,000 and 80,000 voters went big for Trump in the 2016 election in a state that he won by only 10,000 votes. They did so after Trump portrayed himself as a “savior” who would stand up for persecuted Christians. “Chaldeans For Trump” signs appeared at Trump rallies and in lawns in Oakland county, a wealthy metro Detroit area where the community is concentrated.

interesting

I somehow doubt they'll be casting a vote for him in 2020.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With every one of these tremendous acts of cruelty, my only solace is that despite the grotesque defense of this hideous administration - this makes Trump lose support with communities whose votes he needs.

This man was a Christian, and prior to now Trump has had support among Iraqi Christians because they believed he would protect them.

Now they see he won't. Let's see how many of them are living in swing states:

"Metro Detroit—home to one of the largest Iraqi diasporas in America, along with Chicago and San Diego—also contains the largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq, with estimates between 120,000 and 150,000."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/april/iraqi-chaldean-christians-face-deporation-aclu-court.html

Remind me again how much Trump won Michigan by? Oh yeah fewer than 11,000 votes.

My good friend is Christian, but she was born in Iran - and raised Muslim. Her family, however, is still practicing. Her parents - dual citizens - travel back and forth to Iran, spending a few months there to visit family.

Her brother, who works for a big company, travels internationally. I realize this is anecdotal, but there's no fear living here or traveling outside of the US. I've flat out asked, and we've had conversations around it.

They do come from money, which may make a difference.

So I do question news outlets and perspectives quite a bit, as I'd rather hear it from people affected. (And no, they are not the "only Muslims" I know who aren't fearful.)

We could discuss this all day, but I do believe that this man's mental illness was a big factor in how he was treated.

This is a particular group - Iraqi Christians. Not Middle Easterners more broadly. There are a lot of them in Michigan - which, again, Trump won last time by a hair.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/17/iraqi-christians-face-deportation-conned-trump

Ten years ago, police caught the Iraqi Chaldean immigrant Rani Yousuf with a small amount of marijuana. He completed probation, paid fines, and the conviction was dropped from his record when he turned 21.

Still, earlier this year, Yousuf found his car surrounded by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officers who arrested him again over the charge. He sat for months in a Michigan county jail facing the prospect of deportation to Iraq, a country he left at four years old. He has no family there, doesn’t speak Arabic, and is part of a religious minority targeted by extremists.

“As a Catholic who has tattoos of crosses, and Iraq being a Muslim country – they probably would kill me,” he said.

Yousuf is one of over 1,400 Iraqi nationals who the Trump administration is attempting to deport. Most of those are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics – living in metro Detroit, which holds the world’s largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq.

The administration’s deportation efforts are viewed by many Chaldeans as a shocking “betrayal”, not least because many in the community have been enthusiastic supporters of Trump and voted for him in large numbers in 2016.

The generally conservative community with between 70,000 and 80,000 voters went big for Trump in the 2016 election in a state that he won by only 10,000 votes. They did so after Trump portrayed himself as a “savior” who would stand up for persecuted Christians. “Chaldeans For Trump” signs appeared at Trump rallies and in lawns in Oakland county, a wealthy metro Detroit area where the community is concentrated.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

Nice victim blaming.

His parents are not victims though I'm sure they will claim to be in the lawsuit their lawyer is surely cooking up as we type.

It's not victim blaming to expect people to take responsibility for their actions.

Their son died. Sounds like victims to me. Put yourself in their shoes.

What specifically makes then a victim? A victim of what? They broke the law

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With every one of these tremendous acts of cruelty, my only solace is that despite the grotesque defense of this hideous administration - this makes Trump lose support with communities whose votes he needs.

This man was a Christian, and prior to now Trump has had support among Iraqi Christians because they believed he would protect them.

Now they see he won't. Let's see how many of them are living in swing states:

"Metro Detroit—home to one of the largest Iraqi diasporas in America, along with Chicago and San Diego—also contains the largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq, with estimates between 120,000 and 150,000."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/april/iraqi-chaldean-christians-face-deporation-aclu-court.html

Remind me again how much Trump won Michigan by? Oh yeah fewer than 11,000 votes.

My good friend is Christian, but she was born in Iran - and raised Muslim. Her family, however, is still practicing. Her parents - dual citizens - travel back and forth to Iran, spending a few months there to visit family.

Her brother, who works for a big company, travels internationally. I realize this is anecdotal, but there's no fear living here or traveling outside of the US. I've flat out asked, and we've had conversations around it.

They do come from money, which may make a difference.

So I do question news outlets and perspectives quite a bit, as I'd rather hear it from people affected. (And no, they are not the "only Muslims" I know who aren't fearful.)

We could discuss this all day, but I do believe that this man's mental illness was a big factor in how he was treated.

Ten years ago, police caught the Iraqi Chaldean immigrant Rani Yousuf with a small amount of marijuana. He completed probation, paid fines, and the conviction was dropped from his record when he turned 21.

Still, earlier this year, Yousuf found his car surrounded by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officers who arrested him again over the charge. He sat for months in a Michigan county jail facing the prospect of deportation to Iraq, a country he left at four years old. He has no family there, doesn’t speak Arabic, and is part of a religious minority targeted by extremists.

“As a Catholic who has tattoos of crosses, and Iraq being a Muslim country – they probably would kill me,” he said.

Yousuf is one of over 1,400 Iraqi nationals who the Trump administration is attempting to deport. Most of those are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics – living in metro Detroit, which holds the world’s largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq.

The administration’s deportation efforts are viewed by many Chaldeans as a shocking “betrayal”, not least because many in the community have been enthusiastic supporters of Trump and voted for him in large numbers in 2016.

The generally conservative community with between 70,000 and 80,000 voters went big for Trump in the 2016 election in a state that he won by only 10,000 votes. They did so after Trump portrayed himself as a “savior” who would stand up for persecuted Christians. “Chaldeans For Trump” signs appeared at Trump rallies and in lawns in Oakland county, a wealthy metro Detroit area where the community is concentrated.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posters keep throwing around words in this thread clearly unaware of the meaning. Get a dictionary folks!

care to share some examples?

I mean . . . if people are misusing them, they have no idea which words these might be.

Maybe you can share a lesson.

Anonymous wrote:Posters keep throwing around words in this thread clearly unaware of the meaning. Get a dictionary folks!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

Nice victim blaming.

His parents are not victims though I'm sure they will claim to be in the lawsuit their lawyer is surely cooking up as we type.

It's not victim blaming to expect people to take responsibility for their actions.

Their son died. Sounds like victims to me. Put yourself in their shoes.

What specifically makes then a victim? A victim of what? They broke the law

Anonymous wrote:With every one of these tremendous acts of cruelty, my only solace is that despite the grotesque defense of this hideous administration - this makes Trump lose support with communities whose votes he needs.

This man was a Christian, and prior to now Trump has had support among Iraqi Christians because they believed he would protect them.

Now they see he won't. Let's see how many of them are living in swing states:

"Metro Detroit—home to one of the largest Iraqi diasporas in America, along with Chicago and San Diego—also contains the largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq, with estimates between 120,000 and 150,000."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/april/iraqi-chaldean-christians-face-deporation-aclu-court.html

Remind me again how much Trump won Michigan by? Oh yeah fewer than 11,000 votes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

Nice victim blaming.

His parents are not victims though I'm sure they will claim to be in the lawsuit their lawyer is surely cooking up as we type.

It's not victim blaming to expect people to take responsibility for their actions.

Their son died. Sounds like victims to me. Put yourself in their shoes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

Nice victim blaming.

His parents are not victims though I'm sure they will claim to be in the lawsuit their lawyer is surely cooking up as we type.

It's not victim blaming to expect people to take responsibility for their actions.