Anonymous
07/30/2019 15:13
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.
When did I say it didn't?
Jeez, it's so triggering for all of you to hear that ANYONE who is fat might bear some responsibility for it and might be suffering health consequences.
Not nearly as triggering as it is for some people to hear that there are fat people out there who still love themselves and are happy.
They can love themselves and be happy, but they're likely still suffering health consequences from it and COULD bear responsibility for gaining that much weight.
And before someone attacks me -- the same can be said for people who are too thin.
Being fat doesn’t mean that you are LIKELY suffering health consequences. Maybe it’s more likely. I’m not really even sure that’s true unless you start talking about very specific things. I will wait, but I bet you can’t find a single study that says that fat people are overall more likely to die earlier or cost more in medical treatment than thin people.
Do you know what actually IS unhealthy with multiple studies showing an earlier death? Yo-yo dieting. Losing weight than gaining it back again repeatedly. And if you look at nearly every study on every method of weight loss, this is what happens 95% of the time.
So, when you are telling a gay person to diet, you are asking someone who is probably not sick to do something that has a 95% chance of making them more sick.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 15:12
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:I feel like the body positive movement completely disregards the long term health problems with being overweight. Obesity is a public health problem and nothing to be positive about! Our society needs to address ultra processed foods and the burden of work demands on health.
I'm one of the "fat and happy" PPs and I agree with you. Obesity / nutrition is a public health crisis in the same way climate change is, which is to say everybody wants to focus on minor changes at the individual level instead of hard systemic change.
There are multiple posts above on the health consequences of being overweight. Either that's none of anybody's business, or it's a societal problem that we need to address by making it easier to live healthfully. This might include things like subsidized food and childcare, soda bans, changes to housing and transit policy, etc. I'm quite confident most fat-shaming PPs would oppose changes like that. They don't want to help people be healthy, they want fat people to feel bad. The rhetoric of personal responsibility is always about preserving the status quo at the expense of the social good.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 15:00
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.
When did I say it didn't?
Jeez, it's so triggering for all of you to hear that ANYONE who is fat might bear some responsibility for it and might be suffering health consequences.
Not nearly as triggering as it is for some people to hear that there are fat people out there who still love themselves and are happy.
They can love themselves and be happy, but they're likely still suffering health consequences from it and COULD bear responsibility for gaining that much weight.
And before someone attacks me -- the same can be said for people who are too thin.
I think that the point is that with fat people, you look at them and start concern trolling about their health consequences. Do you do that for people who look very small too - immediately make judgments and opine about their health status?
Lots of things cause health related problems, but many fat people experience discrimination that meaningfully impacts quality of care due to perceptions about their weight, including providers being unwilling to address other health concerns and blaming all health difficulties on the patient's weight.
Most fat people know why they're fat.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 15:00
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:To get back to the actual question - I dont know what the movement you reference is, but if you're referring to people like Ashley Graham, Tess Holliday, Lizzo etc - I think part of it is that they see themselves as ambassadors who bring positivity to the lives of people who might not always feel it, from people who look like them. And to deny that someone should do that is really pretty crappy.
Also their are certain men that prefer that body type.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:59
Subject: Re:Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
The average size 12, 14, and 16 woman is overweight bordering obese. It is unhealthy. Sorry snowflake, science doesn’t agree with you.
Why are some people so dense? Does anybody think this is an intelligent statement?
The average 0-6 is also not healthy.
That is why size 8 is perfect.
Also women are getting bigger. It biology. Small women marry bigger and taller men. Their daughters will be bigger.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:58
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
To get back to the actual question - I dont know what the movement you reference is, but if you're referring to people like Ashley Graham, Tess Holliday, Lizzo etc - I think part of it is that they see themselves as ambassadors who bring positivity to the lives of people who might not always feel it, from people who look like them. And to deny that someone should do that is really pretty crappy.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:55
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.
When did I say it didn't?
Jeez, it's so triggering for all of you to hear that ANYONE who is fat might bear some responsibility for it and might be suffering health consequences.
Not nearly as triggering as it is for some people to hear that there are fat people out there who still love themselves and are happy.
They can love themselves and be happy, but they're likely still suffering health consequences from it and COULD bear responsibility for gaining that much weight.
And before someone attacks me -- the same can be said for people who are too thin.
God, who cares. The fat police are so tiresome.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:54
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.
When did I say it didn't?
Jeez, it's so triggering for all of you to hear that ANYONE who is fat might bear some responsibility for it and might be suffering health consequences.
Wow you are so triggered by a balance conversation.
Maybe your blood sugar is low. Or maths you could benefit from meditation.
I’m not fat btw just balanced, intelligent and lack an agenda.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:49
Subject: Re:Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is a big difference between fat and healthy and obese and unhealthy.
I know larger size women and men that exercise regularly and while larger, they are not obese. They do not succumb to the fact that their genetic predisposition to being larger gives them any excuse to skip the gym and not eat healthy. They know they won’t ever be thin but they keep themselves from being obese. They are likely healthier than overly skinny members of society.
Then there is the other spectrum. Just stating “I’m fat, so deal with it”. Not exercising or eating healthy. They succumb to obesity. Their health is not good. They will have knee problems, back problems, heart problems, diabetes. They will be offended if anyone tells them they are at an unhealthy weight. They will act as if they have zero control over their fate of obesity and equate it with a disability.
The first group is what I would call body positive. The second group is not. Those that think they are body positive in the second group are delusional.
Was just about the post this when I saw the poster with two kids. There's a difference between being overweight and one that is morbidly obese. Yes, one's health is none of your business, but to tell a kid that being morbidly obese because of lifestyle choices is OK is just not right.
Why? What do you think will happen if we teach kids that being morbidly obese is ok?
What if your kid loves his obese preschool teacher, and you just say that you love her too without commenting on how shameful her body is? What if your kid has a beloved uncle who is morbidly obese, and you just talk about what a great uncle he is without ever commenting on his weight or what he should of shouldn’t eat? What if it is just ok? What horrible, terrible thing will happen?
They'll die early because of conditions directly correlated and primarily caused by being morbidly obese. Period. If that's fat shaming, then you're right I'm fat shaming and I'm not ashamed to shared that view. HAES is nonsense when you can objectively tell me being morbidly obese is "healthy".
Right. There's a difference between loving someone despite their weight and denying that morbid obesity causes health problems.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:47
Subject: Re:Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is a big difference between fat and healthy and obese and unhealthy.
I know larger size women and men that exercise regularly and while larger, they are not obese. They do not succumb to the fact that their genetic predisposition to being larger gives them any excuse to skip the gym and not eat healthy. They know they won’t ever be thin but they keep themselves from being obese. They are likely healthier than overly skinny members of society.
Then there is the other spectrum. Just stating “I’m fat, so deal with it”. Not exercising or eating healthy. They succumb to obesity. Their health is not good. They will have knee problems, back problems, heart problems, diabetes. They will be offended if anyone tells them they are at an unhealthy weight. They will act as if they have zero control over their fate of obesity and equate it with a disability.
The first group is what I would call body positive. The second group is not. Those that think they are body positive in the second group are delusional.
Was just about the post this when I saw the poster with two kids. There's a difference between being overweight and one that is morbidly obese. Yes, one's health is none of your business, but to tell a kid that being morbidly obese because of lifestyle choices is OK is just not right.
Why? What do you think will happen if we teach kids that being morbidly obese is ok?
What if your kid loves his obese preschool teacher, and you just say that you love her too without commenting on how shameful her body is? What if your kid has a beloved uncle who is morbidly obese, and you just talk about what a great uncle he is without ever commenting on his weight or what he should of shouldn’t eat? What if it is just ok? What horrible, terrible thing will happen?
They'll die early because of conditions directly correlated and primarily caused by being morbidly obese. Period. If that's fat shaming, then you're right I'm fat shaming and I'm not ashamed to shared that view. HAES is nonsense when you can objectively tell me being morbidly obese is "healthy".
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:47
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I lost 60 pounds which makes me just 50 pounds overweight. I will likely never lose that other 50 pounds but I feel better, move more and look better in a smaller body. I had forgotten how it felt to try clothes on in a store and have them fit. To not feel like people were watching and judging me when I ate or tried to exercise. I did/do not love being fat. But it is unhealthy to hate my body, which gets me up every day and gets me around the world. I think the body positivity movement is about not hating your body and honoring what it can do.
This. I'm working on loving my body just so I *can* lose weight.
Body positivity is great. Healthy at every size is a fantasy. The OP asked about HAES.
I’m a registered dietitian in dc working in weight management and I think this sums it up perfectly
Maybe not every size but acting like a size 12, 14, 16 is unhealthy is incorrect.
The average size 12, 14, and 16 woman is overweight bordering obese. It is unhealthy. Sorry snowflake, science doesn’t agree with you.
Well that definitely depends on height...
Sure if you are 5 ft tall maybe. But calling those sizes large does not help or saying the are plus sized is ridiculous. That is literally body shaming. Just like if xs was called Skelton.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:47
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.
When did I say it didn't?
Jeez, it's so triggering for all of you to hear that ANYONE who is fat might bear some responsibility for it and might be suffering health consequences.
Not nearly as triggering as it is for some people to hear that there are fat people out there who still love themselves and are happy.
They can love themselves and be happy, but they're likely still suffering health consequences from it and COULD bear responsibility for gaining that much weight.
And before someone attacks me -- the same can be said for people who are too thin.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:46
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.
When did I say it didn't?
Jeez, it's so triggering for all of you to hear that ANYONE who is fat might bear some responsibility for it and might be suffering health consequences.
Not nearly as triggering as it is for some people to hear that there are fat people out there who still love themselves and are happy.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:44
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.
When did I say it didn't?
Jeez, it's so triggering for all of you to hear that ANYONE who is fat might bear some responsibility for it and might be suffering health consequences.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 14:43
Subject: Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?
Anonymous wrote:It's a complete fantasy that excess weight (and I mean more than 20 lbs overweight) causes zero health problems.
When you have more weight for your body to carry, it necessarily puts more pressure on your muscles and bones. At the extreme, it's harder for doctors to do surgery because they have to cut through the fat.
For some people, they can't help it, but for many it's PREVENTABLE.
That's why it's completely different from having special needs and comparing the two is offensive.
You can say the same about being xs and s or at the bottom of your BMI. It causes health related problems.