Anonymous
07/14/2019 09:40
Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
I know this from reports I’ve read on NYTimes, WaPo, Slate, listen to podcasts, etc with people providing legal aid and humanitarian assistance to asylum seekers. For example, at many Texan ports of entry the CBP essentially hands out lottery numbers. Then they have to stand at the crossing to see if they are lucky enough so their number is called. Many asylum seekers have been waiting for weeks just to plead their case to a CBP Officer. Even then, many of those officers just say “No” without letting the asylum seeker make their case to a judge or case worker. CBP processing of asylum requests have slowed to a virtual trickle.
So stop telling people to do it “the legal way.” It has purposely been slowed down by Trump. And it’s causing more crisis, more panic, and more illegal entries at the border. This Administration is not interested in helping people do it legally.
I have a friend who works in immigration. Her story is entirely different. There is a LEGAL way to do this.
First of all, don't cross unless you have papers. Most of these folks aren't escaping hardship where their wives and sisters are being raped by gang members while their sons are being recruited. They are moving for economic reasons. Sure - no shame in that, right? But most will get jobs here that mirror those they left back home. So we need to figure out a SOLID plan where our AID is actually used toward development and job training in those countries.
What happened to the request to hire more immigration judges? Under Obama, when the migrant youths arrived, immigration was so backlogged that she had to travel to help with processing. If there's literally a swarm of people arriving, you can't expect processing to be efficient unless you hire more people to assist with processing.
And when they ARE processed, what are the stats on those who show up for their court dates? I was given some stats for those being processed in Georgia, and they weren't pretty. So people are living in the shadows, and if they're lucky they'll find their way to CA for free healthcare.
Do you understand how incredibly expensive this is? In order to have “papers” in many of these countries, you have to own property or show a level of wealth. It is also incredibly expensive on the US side. The filing fee for one form in the US is over $750. We need financial support to allow them to do this correctly.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 09:12
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
If Liberals Won’t Enforce Borders, Fascists Will
Central American asylum seekers say they are fleeing crime in their home countries. Yet asylum-seeking has surged even as crime in Central America has subsided. El Salvador’s homicide rate has dropped by half since 2015; Honduras’s has plunged by 75 percent since 2013. As these asylum seekers have settled in the United States, they have beckoned their families to follow. U.S. adjudicators have rejected the vast majority of Central American asylum applications. But that has not diminished the flow from Central America. The process is slow, and a rejected application can be appealed. As the proceedings grind on, asylum seekers can vanish into diaspora communities where they can find housing, work, and welcome...
Americans also need to rethink asylum policy. If unemployment, poverty, or disorder in your home country qualifies you for asylum, then hundreds of millions of people qualify—even though virtually none of them has been targeted by the kind of state-sponsored persecution that asylum laws were originally written to redress.
Central American asylum seekers say they are fleeing crime in their home countries. Yet asylum-seeking has surged even as crime in Central America has subsided. El Salvador’s homicide rate has dropped by half since 2015; Honduras’s has plunged by 75 percent since 2013. As these asylum seekers have settled in the United States, they have beckoned their families to follow. U.S. adjudicators have rejected the vast majority of Central American asylum applications. But that has not diminished the flow from Central America. The process is slow, and a rejected application can be appealed. As the proceedings grind on, asylum seekers can vanish into diaspora communities where they can find housing, work, and welcome...
Americans also need to rethink asylum policy. If unemployment, poverty, or disorder in your home country qualifies you for asylum, then hundreds of millions of people qualify—even though virtually none of them has been targeted by the kind of state-sponsored persecution that asylum laws were originally written to redress.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 09:09
Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Folks, you do know that most of these immigrants are no refugees by any stretch of the imagination, correct?
If they were, they could have chosen to stay in countries closer than their own.
They are coming here, by economic choice, to make a living. Nothing bad about that, but please don't buy the partisan politicsl BS.
Signed,
Immigrant
Can you please give us proof for your statements? You basically just peddling half-ass assumptions right now.
How did you get into this country? what makes you so worthy?
DP
ref·u·gee
/?refyo?o?j?/
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.
Notice that does not say, better job, more opportunity, better life anywhere? What war and/or natural disaster are these people fleeing?
Many in Latin America are escaping gang violence. Honduras, Guatemala, Columbia, El Salvador - some of the highest murder rates in the world
Again, please provide proof and evidence that those seeking asylum in the US are economic migrants. You’ve provide NOTHING except half-ass assumptions.
So who has priority? the people in Chicago who are afraid to leave their homes at night? or those coming from other countries?
early June, Chicago - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-violence-52-shot-10-dead-in-weekend-fueled-by-gang-disputes-police-say/
Fifty-two people were shot and 10 people were killed in what police called a "despicable" spate of violence over the weekend in Chicago. Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said the latest deadly weekend in the city shows "the challenges we face are complex and profound."
Johnson said many of the victims shot over the weekend were targeted by gangs. He said police noted an uptick in gang-related shootings on Friday, and in response, increased patrols in areas where investigators expected possible retaliation. Deputy chief Al Nagode, who oversees the city's west side where some of the gang violence originated, said shootings there were "not random" and motivated by disputes and tensions over an open-air drug market.
Look up Latin Kings. hint: It's not a "youth club."
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:59
Subject: ICE Raids
I know this from reports I’ve read on NYTimes, WaPo, Slate, listen to podcasts, etc with people providing legal aid and humanitarian assistance to asylum seekers. For example, at many Texan ports of entry the CBP essentially hands out lottery numbers. Then they have to stand at the crossing to see if they are lucky enough so their number is called. Many asylum seekers have been waiting for weeks just to plead their case to a CBP Officer. Even then, many of those officers just say “No” without letting the asylum seeker make their case to a judge or case worker. CBP processing of asylum requests have slowed to a virtual trickle.
So stop telling people to do it “the legal way.” It has purposely been slowed down by Trump. And it’s causing more crisis, more panic, and more illegal entries at the border. This Administration is not interested in helping people do it legally.
I have a friend who works in immigration. Her story is entirely different. There is a LEGAL way to do this.
First of all, don't cross unless you have papers. Most of these folks aren't escaping hardship where their wives and sisters are being raped by gang members while their sons are being recruited. They are moving for economic reasons. Sure - no shame in that, right? But most will get jobs here that mirror those they left back home. So we need to figure out a SOLID plan where our AID is actually used toward development and job training in those countries.
What happened to the request to hire more immigration judges? Under Obama, when the migrant youths arrived, immigration was so backlogged that she had to travel to help with processing. If there's literally a swarm of people arriving, you can't expect processing to be efficient unless you hire more people to assist with processing.
And when they ARE processed, what are the stats on those who show up for their court dates? I was given some stats for those being processed in Georgia, and they weren't pretty. So people are living in the shadows, and if they're lucky they'll find their way to CA for free healthcare.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:55
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:+1. The Holocaust center has been advocating on behalf of refugees worldwide, not just Europeans with white faces.
They have also said to quit comparing this to the Holocaust. Which is what you are doing.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Sorry if you find it uncomfortable to follow Orange Hitler. But, we all make choices. It just so happens that you made bad ones.
Enforcing our borders is never a bad choice.
Sorry you don't approve of rule of law.
Anne Frank, and the people who sheltered her, didn't approve of the rule of law, either.
+1. Sometimes laws conflict with basic morals. At one time, the laws said whites people could own black people, and that I was not entitled to vote. And the old who broke the law to shelter Jewish refugees are now thought of as heroes while those who ignored their plight are considered stupid and callous.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:47
Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?
No, because a percentage of people here illegally will self deport before being arrested.
doubtful
They'll slip under the radar, continue to work for cash, and live with others who will cover for them. This is how it's been for a long time - only now, it's "acceptable." And yes, the free healthcare incentive in CA (as noted by another poster) will keep them here.
Yes, as long as Mar-a-Lago still needs cheap workers, Trump will continue to tip them off that a raid is coming.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:45
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP - I doubt you will get any reasonable responses from liberals because there really is no reasonable solution that doesn't include detention and deportation.
A whole lot of virtue signaling going on with the liberals these days.
We've done it to ourselves by ignoring the law and creating a sense of entitlement in others.
Have you see the African migrants storm the Pantheon in France, demanding legal status?
I cannot believe how more and more people lack common sense these days.
Did you see the Africans block the airport shouting, “France is not for France! France is for everybody!” insisting on citizenship???!!! They call themselves the Black Jackets.
Now if they’d make demands of their own governments there would be no need to seek greener pastures elsewhere.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:36
Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?
No, because a percentage of people here illegally will self deport before being arrested.
doubtful
They'll slip under the radar, continue to work for cash, and live with others who will cover for them. This is how it's been for a long time - only now, it's "acceptable." And yes, the free healthcare incentive in CA (as noted by another poster) will keep them here.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:33
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:OP - I doubt you will get any reasonable responses from liberals because there really is no reasonable solution that doesn't include detention and deportation.
A whole lot of virtue signaling going on with the liberals these days.
We've done it to ourselves by ignoring the law and creating a sense of entitlement in others.
Have you see the African migrants storm the Pantheon in France, demanding legal status?
I cannot believe how more and more people lack common sense these days.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:23
Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok, help me understand......
Raids are to removed illegals who have removal orders issued by a judge. Either they failed to show up for their hearing or their asylum claim was denied.
Hence they are to be removed by ICE.
When I see on TV people protesting this and “don’t separate families” lines, what should be done? Not deport them even though they failed at getting asylum during an actual court date or not even showing up like they were supposed to? All the Dems claiming it is not “against the law to come here over the border and claim asylum”, what should be done? If we are not deporting people who don’t qualify for asylum or don’t show up and have a judge’s order for removal, that will encourage anyone just to come here and stay , asylum claim or not!!
What is you solution?
Totally agree! And, I have asked, on several threads.........if these people who have deportation orders cannot be deported, then who can?
This is total lunacy.
Are you paying attention at all? Many of those targeted do not have legal deportation orders. They will be shipped to Mexico to wait, or put in cages to wait. And separated from their kids while they wait. Because deterrence.
+1000!
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:20
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:+1. The Holocaust center has been advocating on behalf of refugees worldwide, not just Europeans with white faces.
They have also said to quit comparing this to the Holocaust. Which is what you are doing.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Sorry if you find it uncomfortable to follow Orange Hitler. But, we all make choices. It just so happens that you made bad ones.
When orange hitler starts gassing mexicans you might have a point.
Or people crammed together like cattle are not given adequate food, and diseases start to spread and kill people. Oh wait...
Hitler didn’t start by gassing people. Learn history.
And Trump has already had a good laugh at the idea of shooting people people at the border. And if he did, Cult45 would find an excuse for that too.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/09/trump-chuckles-shooting-migrants/1150160001/
Anonymous
07/14/2019 08:09
Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok, help me understand......
Raids are to removed illegals who have removal orders issued by a judge. Either they failed to show up for their hearing or their asylum claim was denied.
Hence they are to be removed by ICE.
When I see on TV people protesting this and “don’t separate families” lines, what should be done? Not deport them even though they failed at getting asylum during an actual court date or not even showing up like they were supposed to? All the Dems claiming it is not “against the law to come here over the border and claim asylum”, what should be done? If we are not deporting people who don’t qualify for asylum or don’t show up and have a judge’s order for removal, that will encourage anyone just to come here and stay , asylum claim or not!!
What is you solution?
Totally agree! And, I have asked, on several threads.........if these people who have deportation orders cannot be deported, then who can?
This is total lunacy.
+1000!
Anonymous
07/14/2019 07:37
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:+1. The Holocaust center has been advocating on behalf of refugees worldwide, not just Europeans with white faces.
They have also said to quit comparing this to the Holocaust. Which is what you are doing.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Sorry if you find it uncomfortable to follow Orange Hitler. But, we all make choices. It just so happens that you made bad ones.
Enforcing our borders is never a bad choice.
Sorry you don't approve of rule of law.
Anne Frank, and the people who sheltered her, didn't approve of the rule of law, either.
I believe Anne Frank's parents were German citizens.
They had their citizenship stripped.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 07:24
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
This has NOTHING to do with Anne Frank.
Anonymous
07/14/2019 06:57
Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:+1. The Holocaust center has been advocating on behalf of refugees worldwide, not just Europeans with white faces.
They have also said to quit comparing this to the Holocaust. Which is what you are doing.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Sorry if you find it uncomfortable to follow Orange Hitler. But, we all make choices. It just so happens that you made bad ones.
Enforcing our borders is never a bad choice.
Sorry you don't approve of rule of law.
Anne Frank, and the people who sheltered her, didn't approve of the rule of law, either.
I believe Anne Frank's parents were German citizens.