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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Go wash your hands. Yuck

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Once again, the exposure is NOT the same. The DA is far superior in exposure for these players. FAR superior. More coaches from stronger schools (both academically and athletically) and the head coaches are the one's attending. It is not even close. Furthermore, it is a regular occurrence to have college coaches at FCV training. TRAINING. Not to mention regular season games. Not happening with any regularity at ECNL games and training and certainly not at Loudoun. Coaches go where the concentration of talent is. Period.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

The “best” are less likely to leave the club where they are the star and get seen by the same college coaches at the same showcases.

FCV will have to do more with less moving forward. But having two national level leagues is dilution in an of itself so the ability to stand out is actually easier but it doesn’t mean FCV or McLean is truly better it means their respective leagues/divisions are weaker.

Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Yawn. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. My DD will do what is convenient and will get her seen — and that would have been FCV or Mclean 3 years ago, but it’s not anymore.

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Anonymous wrote:First, you have to be a complete moron to to judge a team based on one outing. Was Brazil a horrible team because it looked horrible in a 1-7 loss to Germany in the 2014 WC.

All I am saying is that McLean and FCV are the two strongest elite clubs in the DMV Pipeline in Baltimore is the only club that can challenge them. Even with more options, McLean and FCV will get a serious look from elite players.

McLean 05 is a solid team that has come together under a legendary coach. Also, rumor has it that two FCV players who received offers to the DA are instead going to McLean ECNL. This proves my point -- Elite players will chose McLean or FCV depending on interest in HS soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

And FCV is in a tough division?

Varies by age group, but yes.

LOL!!! Ok

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

And FCV is in a tough division?

Varies by age group, but yes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

And FCV is in a tough division?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.

Wow. I just watched parts of the 05 VDA vs McLean. Terrible. Criticize FCV all you want, EVERY age group is way ahead of both these teams.

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are just too dense to leave behind the dilution narrative. Dilution is an issue but McLean and FCV in current form will continue to dominate. Others clubs, both weaker ECNL/DA clubs and independent clubs will suffer. McLean's 05 time was a disaster last year, finishing at or near the bottom of it ECNL division. They lost a group of players to WS VA and maybe Arlington yet the team picked up several strong players from independent clubs and is now a #2 seed in the ECNL playoffs while also wining the August Cup and finishing as runner-up to the top bracket at JeffCup. FCV 05 picked up some strong players from independent clubs. Those players also had access to WS VA yet selected FCV. I also know players leaving clubs like Bethesda for McLean.

I agree that dilution is real but McLean and FCV in their current respective forms will still offer more than other ECNL/DA programs, i.e. they will get the best of those looking for elite soccer.

Well let us know how that playoff goes. All of their success is in an area where the majority of high level talent is not in ECNL. That's how our area is, nothing on a forum will change that. All of their success is in a division where VDA is their closest competition. We can all stop lying to ourselves. Go on YouTube and watch the 05 VDA vs McLean game, the VDA vs Loudoun game. These are not good games, and its not good soccer. Over half the kids do not possess the ability to bring a ball to ground from the air, among other lack of touch items. Its a game played with your feet and watching these games its hard to tell who knows that. Now that's not on the kids, its on the clubs, and your kid isn't reading this forum, so please, don't get all hurt over it. Instead get to work on the things the kid/s need to do. Because being king or queen of a bad division wont add up to much.