Anonymous wrote:This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

Oh, look, it’s an all-natural mama bear moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

This. At age 5 we discovered that my daughter had no DTAP immunity. This was done through blood titre trying to solve another issue. The dr said up to 20% of vaccinated kids don’t reach full immunity. We had to do extra DTAPs on top of the required schedule. She is just now at baseline but not “robust”- this is why EVERYONE who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated. Herd immunity is hard to achieve. If I met a mom who didn’t vaccinate I wouldn’t be friends with her. I don’t have time for stupid.

FYI there is no such thing as "DTAP immunity". DTAP is a vaccine that's supposed to protect against 3 different things. I actually don't know why they group them that way, it doesn't really make sense to me. But anyway, the "aP" part is pertussis (whooping cough), and the vaccine for that usually doesn't last longer than 12 months. I was getting my titers drawn a while ago to check my current status and my doc said not to even bother testing for pertussis even though I had one within the past few years, because unless it was literally within the last couple of months then it's almost certain that the titer wouldn't be high enough. That's why they tell women to get it every pregnancy, even if you have kids back-to-back, because the protection doesn't last long.

My kid did not immunity for tentanus or pertussis in DTAP. But at that age you have to give the
Complete DTAP. The pneumovax didn’t take either. We titre every year and plan to through childhood.

This is a hot topic but a moot point. I guarantee all of you that your children are around unvaccinated kids most days or minimum weekly. And none of you have a say in the matter because most times, you have no idea who it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

This. At age 5 we discovered that my daughter had no DTAP immunity. This was done through blood titre trying to solve another issue. The dr said up to 20% of vaccinated kids don’t reach full immunity. We had to do extra DTAPs on top of the required schedule. She is just now at baseline but not “robust”- this is why EVERYONE who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated. Herd immunity is hard to achieve. If I met a mom who didn’t vaccinate I wouldn’t be friends with her. I don’t have time for stupid.

But anyway, the "aP" part is pertussis (whooping cough), and the vaccine for that usually doesn't last longer than 12 months. I was getting my titers drawn a while ago to check my current status and my doc said not to even bother testing for pertussis even though I had one within the past few years, because unless it was literally within the last couple of months then it's almost certain that the titer wouldn't be high enough. That's why they tell women to get it every pregnancy, even if you have kids back-to-back, because the protection doesn't last long.

I don't think Dtap should be made mandatory for school for this reason. #1) my Ped said that there is literally no diptheria in this country right now and the odds of getting that are basically 0. #2) my ped said that a child getting tetanus is extremely rare and almost 0 chance, #3) my ped said exactly what you are saying about the pertussis immunity part. We got my daughter's titers checked at age 6 and included the pertussis and tetanus in the titers. She had almost 0 immunity to pertussis but lots of immunity to tetanus. She received the entire Dtap series. Her ped did not recommend another Dtap since she had completed the series.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

The voice of reason. I’m that family. My little one is partially vaccinated for that reason. Shunning people is not helpful.

Then you and the family pp describes are the definition of a reasonable medical exemption and you should be more angry than anyone that anti vaxxers are endangering children like yours who could previously have depended on herd immunity to keep them safe.

Getting a medical exemption is extremely difficult. In our case, the reasons are definitely medical and not ideological, but drs are reluctant to give exemptions. So we are in this grey zone were her pediatrician respects our concerns and gives us advice on which shots would be the most important for her to have given her medical history. But no,i don’t have medical exemption.

So the reasons are ideological and not medical?

No not ideological.

Sorry, sister. A "grey zone where her pediatrician respects our concerns," is in fact, your ideology or ignorance. Not medical.

You have no clue what you’re taking about, sister. My other kids are up to date. You’re the dogmatic one here. Nuanced thinking is not your strength.

What are the medical concerns? DP. I want to understand because I don’t. Surely you can expand on this, with honesty, and still preserve anonymity?

It's several things. She caught a pretty rare and deadly - non vaccine preventable - virus when she was 5 months old that landed her in the hospital for a week (now she has recurrent outbreaks of that virus and need daily antivirals to try to prevent them). She's has severe allergies (I mean really SEVERE, she's allergic to lots of things and has had anaphylactic reactions several times). She also severe eczema and asthma, hence lots of steroids in all forms that are messing with her growth and immunity. I am aware that most people would probably still follow the schedule. But I don't feel confortable with it for her. We are pretty much picking the shots she should have in order of priority and leaving the less crucial ones for later. I personally have some autoimmune diseases as they run in my family, so I take all of this seriously. I am not asking for validation or sympathy. But you asked so I wanted to answer truthfully.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

The voice of reason. I’m that family. My little one is partially vaccinated for that reason. Shunning people is not helpful.

Then you and the family pp describes are the definition of a reasonable medical exemption and you should be more angry than anyone that anti vaxxers are endangering children like yours who could previously have depended on herd immunity to keep them safe.

Getting a medical exemption is extremely difficult. In our case, the reasons are definitely medical and not ideological, but drs are reluctant to give exemptions. So we are in this grey zone were her pediatrician respects our concerns and gives us advice on which shots would be the most important for her to have given her medical history. But no,i don’t have medical exemption.

So the reasons are ideological and not medical?

No not ideological.

Sorry, sister. A "grey zone where her pediatrician respects our concerns," is in fact, your ideology or ignorance. Not medical.

You have no clue what you’re taking about, sister. My other kids are up to date. You’re the dogmatic one here. Nuanced thinking is not your strength.

What are the medical concerns? DP. I want to understand because I don’t. Surely you can expand on this, with honesty, and still preserve anonymity?

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

This. At age 5 we discovered that my daughter had no DTAP immunity. This was done through blood titre trying to solve another issue. The dr said up to 20% of vaccinated kids don’t reach full immunity. We had to do extra DTAPs on top of the required schedule. She is just now at baseline but not “robust”- this is why EVERYONE who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated. Herd immunity is hard to achieve. If I met a mom who didn’t vaccinate I wouldn’t be friends with her. I don’t have time for stupid.

FYI there is no such thing as "DTAP immunity". DTAP is a vaccine that's supposed to protect against 3 different things. I actually don't know why they group them that way, it doesn't really make sense to me. But anyway, the "aP" part is pertussis (whooping cough), and the vaccine for that usually doesn't last longer than 12 months. I was getting my titers drawn a while ago to check my current status and my doc said not to even bother testing for pertussis even though I had one within the past few years, because unless it was literally within the last couple of months then it's almost certain that the titer wouldn't be high enough. That's why they tell women to get it every pregnancy, even if you have kids back-to-back, because the protection doesn't last long.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

This. At age 5 we discovered that my daughter had no DTAP immunity. This was done through blood titre trying to solve another issue. The dr said up to 20% of vaccinated kids don’t reach full immunity. We had to do extra DTAPs on top of the required schedule. She is just now at baseline but not “robust”- this is why EVERYONE who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated. Herd immunity is hard to achieve. If I met a mom who didn’t vaccinate I wouldn’t be friends with her. I don’t have time for stupid.

No, this is why everyone who is vaccinated should have the blood test to make sure they are immune.

What a weird counterpoint. These are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah, especially considering that the reason why some aren’t immune is that some people have terrible seroconversion rates. These people can get vaccinated repeatedly. The best way to approach this challenge is to ensure high vaccination rates to compensate for that percentage of the community, as well as those with medical exemptions.

Unless they have a medical reason not to (like my mother), I would not associate with them - this lack of critical thinking skills will show up in other areas of their lives!

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

This. At age 5 we discovered that my daughter had no DTAP immunity. This was done through blood titre trying to solve another issue. The dr said up to 20% of vaccinated kids don’t reach full immunity. We had to do extra DTAPs on top of the required schedule. She is just now at baseline but not “robust”- this is why EVERYONE who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated. Herd immunity is hard to achieve. If I met a mom who didn’t vaccinate I wouldn’t be friends with her. I don’t have time for stupid.

No, this is why everyone who is vaccinated should have the blood test to make sure they are immune.

What a weird counterpoint. These are not mutually exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

This. At age 5 we discovered that my daughter had no DTAP immunity. This was done through blood titre trying to solve another issue. The dr said up to 20% of vaccinated kids don’t reach full immunity. We had to do extra DTAPs on top of the required schedule. She is just now at baseline but not “robust”- this is why EVERYONE who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated. Herd immunity is hard to achieve. If I met a mom who didn’t vaccinate I wouldn’t be friends with her. I don’t have time for stupid.

No, this is why everyone who is vaccinated should have the blood test to make sure they are immune.

We just wouldn’t associate with folks so idiotic - it’s a sign we’d have nothing in common actually. It would end the relationship. Family too.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very much pro vaccine, but some of you are nuts— and/or assholes.
I know a family whose older child had a very bad reaction to a vaccine as a baby. Consequently, they waited until the kid was older to finish the vaccines. The next kid is 2 or 3 and hasn’t had any shots yet. The parents want to get her caught up now, but are having trouble finding a doc who will take them, since they aren’t up to date on shots.
This is that the hateful attitude and shunning of people who don’t toe the vaccine line does.
It makes people less likely to vaccinate their kids, not more.
Understanding & education are better approaches.

The voice of reason. I’m that family. My little one is partially vaccinated for that reason. Shunning people is not helpful.

No dice. If you are an ignorant disease vector who chose not to vaccinate, shunning is exactly what you deserve. So happy the "religious exemption" losers are finally losing ground.

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It would depend on whether my kids had their full round of vaccinations or not. My kids are older and up to date so I am less concerned (especially since I can't possibly know who all is vaccinated or not).

My younger child was a newborn in 2014 when there was another big measles outbreak and I remember being furious at antivaxxers and afraid to take my baby out of the house.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...if your kid is vaccinated, then you have nothing to be concerned about. It’s not like being unvaccinated is catching or anything.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective.

This. At age 5 we discovered that my daughter had no DTAP immunity. This was done through blood titre trying to solve another issue. The dr said up to 20% of vaccinated kids don’t reach full immunity. We had to do extra DTAPs on top of the required schedule. She is just now at baseline but not “robust”- this is why EVERYONE who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated. Herd immunity is hard to achieve. If I met a mom who didn’t vaccinate I wouldn’t be friends with her. I don’t have time for stupid.