Anonymous
Post 05/03/2019 10:38     Subject: MV teacher unionization effort?
Did anyone go to the MV Open Board mtg last night?
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 12:57     Subject: MV teacher unionization effort?
Anonymous wrote:As a former MV admin, I can tell you that my salary was nowhere near $90k. Divide that number by 3. This is true for the bulk of the administrative staff.


Averages always skew. Would be more helpful to see high/low for each category, but this is what is available.

The principal/executive salary line - 3 people for a total of $334,446 ($111,482)

Business and operations salary line - 12 people for a total of $780,250 (average $65,020)

Admin and other staff salary line - 8 people at $976,751 (average $122,093 )

Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 12:51     Subject: MV teacher unionization effort?
As a former MV admin, I can tell you that my salary was nowhere near $90k. Divide that number by 3. This is true for the bulk of the administrative staff.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 12:04     Subject: Re:MV teacher unionization effort?
Anonymous wrote:
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As to the budget, there is no reason to assume that there is no fat in the MV's budget.


There's no need to assume anything. Just look at the 990's of any charter school and you can see firsthand the details of its revenues and expenses. You can't do that with a specific DCPS school expenses are buried in the aggregate DCPS budget. Want a union and all the supposed attendant benefits? Teach at a DCPS.


Good idea. I just did, and compared MV and YY's 2019 budget, which is on their profile pages (DCPCB webside). I compared them because they have the same number of students (578 and 579 respectively), are both running dual language programs and both operate their own aftercare, which brings in more revenue but also brings more staff expenses. I only pulled staff salaries, not benefits since there is no way to tell if they are comparable.

MV
23 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $2,091,447 or an average of $90,932 per person.
75 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $52,281 per person.

YY
25 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $1,394,717 or an average of $55,788 per person
72 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $4,757,736 or an average of $66,079 per person.

These are choices that each school's leadership and Board make. They don't just happen. A union may or may not be needed at MV, but that is a large salary disparity between the instructional staff and the administrators.



WOW


I have to ask what are the non-instructional staff in each case, exactly? Does this include principal, AP or CEO etc? What about their pay (usually listed separately)?

While this doesn't look great on paper I might be more worried for YY's admins being underpaid than MV overpaid. Budgets and averages can definitely be deceiving without more details about the whole picture.


There are 6 staff budget categories for every charter that must be reported (to facilitate comparisons and required breakouts).

Principal/Executive Salary -

Teachers Salaries -

Special Education Salaries -

Other Education Professionals Salaries -

Business/Operations Salaries -

Administrative/Other Staff Salaries -

There is a rollup for all staff employee benefits and payroll taxes - in addition to the salaries.

You can look at each school's budget here: MV: https://www.dcpcsb.org/report/mundo-verde-bilingual-pcs-budget YY: https://www.dcpcsb.org/sites/default/files/report/FY19%20Budget%20-%20Washington%20Yu%20Ying.xlsx

The reason I posted this is that a PP asserted that MV's budget was tight and they can't afford more for teachers. My point is that salaries are the largest expense in any school, and Boards make decisions every year on how much to invest in what kind of staff.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 11:56     Subject: Re:MV teacher unionization effort?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

As to the budget, there is no reason to assume that there is no fat in the MV's budget.


There's no need to assume anything. Just look at the 990's of any charter school and you can see firsthand the details of its revenues and expenses. You can't do that with a specific DCPS school expenses are buried in the aggregate DCPS budget. Want a union and all the supposed attendant benefits? Teach at a DCPS.


Good idea. I just did, and compared MV and YY's 2019 budget, which is on their profile pages (DCPCB webside). I compared them because they have the same number of students (578 and 579 respectively), are both running dual language programs and both operate their own aftercare, which brings in more revenue but also brings more staff expenses. I only pulled staff salaries, not benefits since there is no way to tell if they are comparable.

MV
23 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $2,091,447 or an average of $90,932 per person.
75 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $52,281 per person.

YY
25 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $1,394,717 or an average of $55,788 per person
72 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $4,757,736 or an average of $66,079 per person.

These are choices that each school's leadership and Board make. They don't just happen. A union may or may not be needed at MV, but that is a large salary disparity between the instructional staff and the administrators.



WOW


I have to ask what are the non-instructional staff in each case, exactly? Does this include principal, AP or CEO etc? What about their pay (usually listed separately)?

While this doesn't look great on paper I might be more worried for YY's admins being underpaid than MV overpaid. Budgets and averages can definitely be deceiving without more details about the whole picture.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 11:55     Subject: Re:MV teacher unionization effort?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

As to the budget, there is no reason to assume that there is no fat in the MV's budget.


There's no need to assume anything. Just look at the 990's of any charter school and you can see firsthand the details of its revenues and expenses. You can't do that with a specific DCPS school expenses are buried in the aggregate DCPS budget. Want a union and all the supposed attendant benefits? Teach at a DCPS.


Good idea. I just did, and compared MV and YY's 2019 budget, which is on their profile pages (DCPCB webside). I compared them because they have the same number of students (578 and 579 respectively), are both running dual language programs and both operate their own aftercare, which brings in more revenue but also brings more staff expenses. I only pulled staff salaries, not benefits since there is no way to tell if they are comparable.

MV
23 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $2,091,447 or an average of $90,932 per person.
75 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $52,281 per person.

YY
25 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $1,394,717 or an average of $55,788 per person
72 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $4,757,736 or an average of $66,079 per person.

These are choices that each school's leadership and Board make. They don't just happen. A union may or may not be needed at MV, but that is a large salary disparity between the instructional staff and the administrators.



Except that there are no standard definitions of who are and aren't instructional staff...and how they are classified. For example, I know that my school doesn't count our marginally compensated fellows or aides in instructional staff...which brings the non-instructional average down. Alternatively, if they included them, it would make instructional salary averages look VERY low when that really has nothing to do with what teachers make. The EDs of both orgs are similarly compensated. I think you'd need to look at an org chart to make sense of this.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 11:05     Subject: Re:MV teacher unionization effort?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

As to the budget, there is no reason to assume that there is no fat in the MV's budget.


There's no need to assume anything. Just look at the 990's of any charter school and you can see firsthand the details of its revenues and expenses. You can't do that with a specific DCPS school expenses are buried in the aggregate DCPS budget. Want a union and all the supposed attendant benefits? Teach at a DCPS.


Good idea. I just did, and compared MV and YY's 2019 budget, which is on their profile pages (DCPCB webside). I compared them because they have the same number of students (578 and 579 respectively), are both running dual language programs and both operate their own aftercare, which brings in more revenue but also brings more staff expenses. I only pulled staff salaries, not benefits since there is no way to tell if they are comparable.

MV
23 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $2,091,447 or an average of $90,932 per person.
75 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $52,281 per person.

YY
25 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $1,394,717 or an average of $55,788 per person
72 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $4,757,736 or an average of $66,079 per person.

These are choices that each school's leadership and Board make. They don't just happen. A union may or may not be needed at MV, but that is a large salary disparity between the instructional staff and the administrators.



WOW
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 11:00     Subject: MV teacher unionization effort?
Ugh - forgot a number above.

The combined salary for MV's instructional staff is:

$3,921,081 total, and an AVERAGE salary of $52,281 per person.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2019 10:51     Subject: Re:MV teacher unionization effort?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

As to the budget, there is no reason to assume that there is no fat in the MV's budget.


There's no need to assume anything. Just look at the 990's of any charter school and you can see firsthand the details of its revenues and expenses. You can't do that with a specific DCPS school expenses are buried in the aggregate DCPS budget. Want a union and all the supposed attendant benefits? Teach at a DCPS.


Good idea. I just did, and compared MV and YY's 2019 budget, which is on their profile pages (DCPCB webside). I compared them because they have the same number of students (578 and 579 respectively), are both running dual language programs and both operate their own aftercare, which brings in more revenue but also brings more staff expenses. I only pulled staff salaries, not benefits since there is no way to tell if they are comparable.

MV
23 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $2,091,447 or an average of $90,932 per person.
75 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $52,281 per person.

YY
25 administrators, business operations and other non-instructional staff. Combined salaries are $1,394,717 or an average of $55,788 per person
72 teachers, special educators and other educational professionals. Combined salaries are $4,757,736 or an average of $66,079 per person.

These are choices that each school's leadership and Board make. They don't just happen. A union may or may not be needed at MV, but that is a large salary disparity between the instructional staff and the administrators.