Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:58
Subject: Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:We have had 2 mayors, 3 DMEs, 3 chancellors and god knows how many Council members since the last boundary review, when Shaw middle school was promised, post closure.
Sometimes stuff changes and changes quickly. The people at DCPS and DGS are largely cogs in the wheel trying to keep up.
Boo hoo. A public statement of intention should mean something and if they want to change the plan they should do so with the correct, transparent process. How can families have any long-term confidence if every decision is up for grabs when personnel changes?
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:56
Subject: Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Save Shaw would be able to apply more pressure if they had a viable demand. As seen from this weeks oversight hearings their leverage is minimal.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Save Shaw folks are preoccupied with having been wronged. Prevents them from talking about any other solution than clawing the Shaw site back from Banneker. It’s a shame because a lot of effort has been wasted on a hopeless cause.
I think it is about time downtown and the mayor's office faced some blowback for their habit of treating families and schools like crap. Hopefully this results in some real improvements at Cardozo. But that is the compromise result and Save Shaw should keep the pressure on, not fold.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:54
Subject: Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
We have had 2 mayors, 3 DMEs, 3 chancellors and god knows how many Council members since the last boundary review, when Shaw middle school was promised, post closure.
Sometimes stuff changes and changes quickly. The people at DCPS and DGS are largely cogs in the wheel trying to keep up.
Sometimes stuff changes and changes quickly. The people at DCPS and DGS are largely cogs in the wheel trying to keep up.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:53
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:A lot of times, if you want someone to change, you have to make them uncomfortable. Pointing out the reasons why there is a lack of trust made the DCPS people very uncomfortable- it was obvious. Pointing out the conflict of interest for one of the members of the team was totally appropriate and reasonable. So perhaps some nuggets got through to them. Perhaps they will think twice and/or change something about their ways.
That being said, I do agree that the constant pivot to mistrust, wrongdoings, conspiracy, etc, could derail any actual progress. Some of the problems that are occurring are so systemic, and above DCPS. Discussing potential FOIA conspiracies will not get solved in one community meeting about Middle Schools. It is important to think about the right time and place to make the arguments, the right person to drag through the coals for the right thing, etc. You cant throw every possible argument at the wall and hope one sticks.
I was really surprised that Gene Pinkard would say there is no plan for the current Banneker site. Does he not know people are FOIA-ing it? This is what I mean by habitual lying. If they are not ready to share they can say they are not ready to share, and that isn't a lie. But to say there is no plan is a lie.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:48
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
A lot of times, if you want someone to change, you have to make them uncomfortable. Pointing out the reasons why there is a lack of trust made the DCPS people very uncomfortable- it was obvious. Pointing out the conflict of interest for one of the members of the team was totally appropriate and reasonable. So perhaps some nuggets got through to them. Perhaps they will think twice and/or change something about their ways.
That being said, I do agree that the constant pivot to mistrust, wrongdoings, conspiracy, etc, could derail any actual progress. Some of the problems that are occurring are so systemic, and above DCPS. Discussing potential FOIA conspiracies will not get solved in one community meeting about Middle Schools. It is important to think about the right time and place to make the arguments, the right person to drag through the coals for the right thing, etc. You cant throw every possible argument at the wall and hope one sticks.
That being said, I do agree that the constant pivot to mistrust, wrongdoings, conspiracy, etc, could derail any actual progress. Some of the problems that are occurring are so systemic, and above DCPS. Discussing potential FOIA conspiracies will not get solved in one community meeting about Middle Schools. It is important to think about the right time and place to make the arguments, the right person to drag through the coals for the right thing, etc. You cant throw every possible argument at the wall and hope one sticks.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:29
Subject: Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
+1 on the lying. That survey was an insult to people’s intelligence. Did downtown really think people wouldn’t notice how deceptively structured it was? (To be fair they reported the actual results fairly honestly.)
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:23
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting engaged and being heard does not mean getting what you want. I have seen some movement on this issue- it hasn’t been much and not nearly enough for most people, but I do think the engagement is working. Keep trying, keep engaging, keep getting your voice heard. But remember that successful engagement doesn’t necessarily mean only one thing.
I agree but I do expect to be treated with honesty and good faith. Downtown and the mayor's office are fillijg this process with their usual lies and incompetence.
With that sort of disdain and attitude toward them, you are surprised you have no support from elected officials or the government?
I get it. It feels personal to you. It isn’t. It is their job and they have more stakeholders to manage than you realize. Treat this as a business discussion and atop the angry live tweeting (to your 200 followers) and personal attacks.
I'm not the person with that account (or any twitter account at all) and I don't know why you would think I am. More than one person can believe them to be dishonest and in bad faith. It is not personal to me, but it is wrong and it is having bad results.
The acct represents the Save Shaw group. No one said you were responsible for it personally. But publicly calling people who disagree with you and your neighbors liars, repeated, isn’t going to work.
It isn't because they disagree with me, it's because they are lying. And this is not even my first experience with downtown's chronic lies. It's their habit, their strategy, they lie to parents whenever it is convenient for them.
I believe in truth and honesty, and it is right to speak the truth and call out deceit for what it is. Whatever happens with Shaw will happen. But for the sake of all families and all schools, the lying must end.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:16
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting engaged and being heard does not mean getting what you want. I have seen some movement on this issue- it hasn’t been much and not nearly enough for most people, but I do think the engagement is working. Keep trying, keep engaging, keep getting your voice heard. But remember that successful engagement doesn’t necessarily mean only one thing.
I agree but I do expect to be treated with honesty and good faith. Downtown and the mayor's office are fillijg this process with their usual lies and incompetence.
With that sort of disdain and attitude toward them, you are surprised you have no support from elected officials or the government?
I get it. It feels personal to you. It isn’t. It is their job and they have more stakeholders to manage than you realize. Treat this as a business discussion and atop the angry live tweeting (to your 200 followers) and personal attacks.
I'm not the person with that account (or any twitter account at all) and I don't know why you would think I am. More than one person can believe them to be dishonest and in bad faith. It is not personal to me, but it is wrong and it is having bad results.
The acct represents the Save Shaw group. No one said you were responsible for it personally. But publicly calling people who disagree with you and your neighbors liars, repeated, isn’t going to work.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 08:02
Subject: Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:The Save Shaw folks are preoccupied with having been wronged. Prevents them from talking about any other solution than clawing the Shaw site back from Banneker. It’s a shame because a lot of effort has been wasted on a hopeless cause.
I think it is about time downtown and the mayor's office faced some blowback for their habit of treating families and schools like crap. Hopefully this results in some real improvements at Cardozo. But that is the compromise result and Save Shaw should keep the pressure on, not fold.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 07:56
Subject: Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
The Save Shaw folks are preoccupied with having been wronged. Prevents them from talking about any other solution than clawing the Shaw site back from Banneker. It’s a shame because a lot of effort has been wasted on a hopeless cause.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 07:29
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting engaged and being heard does not mean getting what you want. I have seen some movement on this issue- it hasn’t been much and not nearly enough for most people, but I do think the engagement is working. Keep trying, keep engaging, keep getting your voice heard. But remember that successful engagement doesn’t necessarily mean only one thing.
I agree but I do expect to be treated with honesty and good faith. Downtown and the mayor's office are fillijg this process with their usual lies and incompetence.
With that sort of disdain and attitude toward them, you are surprised you have no support from elected officials or the government?
I get it. It feels personal to you. It isn’t. It is their job and they have more stakeholders to manage than you realize. Treat this as a business discussion and atop the angry live tweeting (to your 200 followers) and personal attacks.
I'm not the person with that account (or any twitter account at all) and I don't know why you would think I am. More than one person can believe them to be dishonest and in bad faith. It is not personal to me, but it is wrong and it is having bad results.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 07:21
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting engaged and being heard does not mean getting what you want. I have seen some movement on this issue- it hasn’t been much and not nearly enough for most people, but I do think the engagement is working. Keep trying, keep engaging, keep getting your voice heard. But remember that successful engagement doesn’t necessarily mean only one thing.
I agree but I do expect to be treated with honesty and good faith. Downtown and the mayor's office are fillijg this process with their usual lies and incompetence.
With that sort of disdain and attitude toward them, you are surprised you have no support from elected officials or the government?
I get it. It feels personal to you. It isn’t. It is their job and they have more stakeholders to manage than you realize. Treat this as a business discussion and atop the angry live tweeting (to your 200 followers) and personal attacks.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 07:16
Subject: Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
It’s good to see that council is not so easily captured by vocal but hyper local neighborhood advocates. You can’t run a city that way. The Save Shaw people would be better served if they had a solution that didn’t involve reversing the mayor’s decision on Banneker. Allen and Grosso have been clear for the past six months that they are supportive of a solution for Shaw but not interested in rolling the Mayor on Banneker.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 07:06
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Anonymous wrote:Getting engaged and being heard does not mean getting what you want. I have seen some movement on this issue- it hasn’t been much and not nearly enough for most people, but I do think the engagement is working. Keep trying, keep engaging, keep getting your voice heard. But remember that successful engagement doesn’t necessarily mean only one thing.
I agree but I do expect to be treated with honesty and good faith. Downtown and the mayor's office are fillijg this process with their usual lies and incompetence.
Anonymous
04/26/2019 06:58
Subject: Re:Cardozo Feeder Pattern Middle School
Getting engaged and being heard does not mean getting what you want. I have seen some movement on this issue- it hasn’t been much and not nearly enough for most people, but I do think the engagement is working. Keep trying, keep engaging, keep getting your voice heard. But remember that successful engagement doesn’t necessarily mean only one thing.