Anonymous wrote:I am sorry if your son is disappointed...but I think what people are saying is that a lot of low chances do not add up (in a cumulative way) to a large chance. He was unlikely (statistically) to get into his reaches (or they would have been targets). Don't know how optimistic you were in choosing your targets.

It is also possible (though I know that this is hard for a parent to hear) that his essay or recommendations were not well received.

Consider this a teachable moment...He will learn that there are many paths to a happy future.

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Anonymous wrote:Who said Naviance was a definite predictor of where your kid would get in?

No one, however, it is misleading. So just a heads up

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second, OP’s child had close to 1600 SAT and close to 4.0 unweighted gpa (and clearly a rigorous course load in weighted gpa was close to 5.0) and no one thinks it is unusual that he was rejected from UIUC?? Even with no extracurriculars he should have been a lock, come on. Frankly I am surprised he was not admitted to Carnegie Melon either, unless he applied to CS. I am sorry OP, that must be very disappointing to your son. I hope that he is happy with his admitted choice and I am sure that he will do great wherever he lands.

CMU CS and UIUC CS have applicant pools that are just as competitive as Caltech/MIT/Stanford. 1600 SAT and perfect GPA are just floor level of achievement not the ceiling.

First, I don’t think OP said her child applied to CS. But regardless, the collective applicants and admittees of UIUC CS are not on par with MIT or CalTech, get real.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

Normal motivated parents read and use something called the internet. Those numbers are from 2012 or maybe 2013. If all the data is that old your son did not apply to any target schools at all. Sadly since the information and data was publicly available, the blame lies directly with you and your son. I guess you did no research and did not go to any college fairs.. or read articles about education. Odd??

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second, OP’s child had close to 1600 SAT and close to 4.0 unweighted gpa (and clearly a rigorous course load in weighted gpa was close to 5.0) and no one thinks it is unusual that he was rejected from UIUC?? Even with no extracurriculars he should have been a lock, come on. Frankly I am surprised he was not admitted to Carnegie Melon either, unless he applied to CS. I am sorry OP, that must be very disappointing to your son. I hope that he is happy with his admitted choice and I am sure that he will do great wherever he lands.

CMU CS and UIUC CS have applicant pools that are just as competitive as Caltech/MIT/Stanford. 1600 SAT and perfect GPA are just floor level of achievement not the ceiling.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

No. Silly. Naviance is a tool that reports things. If there is anyththing to sue it is about the fact that we can back out information about individuals, and some of that info is private. That's on the school, though. Not on naviance.

These are small samples you know nothing about. Six of seven kids? Anything is possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

No. Silly. Naviance is a tool that reports things. If there is anyththing to sue it is about the fact that we can back out information about individuals, and some of that info is private. That's on the school, though. Not on naviance.

These are small samples you know nothing about. Six of seven kids? Anything is possible.

But, I've seen a serious trend that the chances of getting admitted are much higher above a certain SAT score. Yes, students with lower SAT scores are admitted, but they must have some hook. This is useful information. I just don't know why Naviance thinks that the acceptance rate for NYU is so high nationally. I have seen other blips that give very low average SAT scores for certain universities, and they are just so ridiculous that I know that someone made a typo.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

Troll. No one has a 4.89 GPA.

Do you know how easy that is to get at MCPS?

BS. It is not easy. There are many required classes that are not possible to be weighted, Algebra, First two years language, Art elective, iED, PE. Not saying it is impossible but if a kid has 4.89 junior year it is very impressive. It mean running the table with A’s and taking every possible class honors/AP.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

. What was his unweighted GPA? WHat were the target schools where he was not admitted? The crap shoot schools are crap shoots for nearly everyone.