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Anonymous wrote:We say it every morning in the NoVa public school where I work. We expect kids to stand and show respect but do not insist anyone say it. I personally do not say "under God" because I don't believe that.

No, you are not allowed to require them to stand.

If they were not standing due to some sort of belief or statement I would agree with you but they are not standing because they don't feel like it or are reading a book so I see nothing wrong with asking them to please stand. I'm talking mid elementary school.

You might not see anything wrong with it, but seriously, don't do it. Because another thing you're not allowed to do is judge whether their reasons for not standing are adequate.

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Anonymous wrote:We say it every morning in the NoVa public school where I work. We expect kids to stand and show respect but do not insist anyone say it. I personally do not say "under God" because I don't believe that.

No, you are not allowed to require them to stand.

If they were not standing due to some sort of belief or statement I would agree with you but they are not standing because they don't feel like it or are reading a book so I see nothing wrong with asking them to please stand. I'm talking mid elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish schools and kids did still.

But more more in vogue to hate on America than appreciate what it has accomplished over the 400+ years.

How do you equate not wanting to recite the pledge to hating on America? Many of us love this country but find the Pledge to be creepy and nationalistic, the two are not mutually exclusive.

PC people, as in patriotic correctness, drive me crazy.

So then don't recite it! It's not mandatory. Unbelievable. Because you don't want to do it, then the rest of us has to stop so that your precious kids don't feel left out? Do you know how silly and spoiled you sound?

Also, NOBODY has cited this as a reason. So I don't understand why you are citing it.

Few PPs above said it. Why do you feel like schools should stop reciting it because you and a few others don't agree with it? Why isn't it ok to just not recite it if you don't want to? Why should the rest of us stop?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish schools and kids did still.

But more more in vogue to hate on America than appreciate what it has accomplished over the 400+ years.

How do you equate not wanting to recite the pledge to hating on America? Many of us love this country but find the Pledge to be creepy and nationalistic, the two are not mutually exclusive.

PC people, as in patriotic correctness, drive me crazy.

So then don't recite it! It's not mandatory. Unbelievable. Because you don't want to do it, then the rest of us has to stop so that your precious kids don't feel left out? Do you know how silly and spoiled you sound?

Also, NOBODY has cited this as a reason. So I don't understand why you are citing it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish schools and kids did still.

But more more in vogue to hate on America than appreciate what it has accomplished over the 400+ years.

How do you equate not wanting to recite the pledge to hating on America? Many of us love this country but find the Pledge to be creepy and nationalistic, the two are not mutually exclusive.

PC people, as in patriotic correctness, drive me crazy.

So then don't recite it! It's not mandatory. Unbelievable. Because you don't want to do it, then the rest of us has to stop so that your precious kids don't feel left out? Do you know how silly and spoiled you sound?

You wouldn't have to stop. Having it as a thing in schools doesn't make it mandatory to say it, and not having it as a thing in schools wouldn't make it mandatory to not say it.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish schools and kids did still.

But more more in vogue to hate on America than appreciate what it has accomplished over the 400+ years.

How do you equate not wanting to recite the pledge to hating on America? Many of us love this country but find the Pledge to be creepy and nationalistic, the two are not mutually exclusive.

PC people, as in patriotic correctness, drive me crazy.

So then don't recite it! It's not mandatory. Unbelievable. Because you don't want to do it, then the rest of us has to stop so that your precious kids don't feel left out? Do you know how silly and spoiled you sound?

Anonymous wrote:I wish schools and kids did still.

But more more in vogue to hate on America than appreciate what it has accomplished over the 400+ years.

How do you equate not wanting to recite the pledge to hating on America? Many of us love this country but find the Pledge to be creepy and nationalistic, the two are not mutually exclusive.

PC people, as in patriotic correctness, drive me crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have not problem with it being recited but for the "under God" part. I don't think anyone should have to recite pledges (or abstain, thus singling them out) that include religious references.

So let's stop doing something we've done forever so the few who don't agree with it won't feel left out? Can we pls teach kids to not be afraid to show their beliefs?

We haven't been doing it forever. The pledge was written in 1892 as "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the Republic for which it stands—one Nation indivisible—with liberty and justice for all" by Samuel Bellamy. Then Bellamy added a "to" to make it sound better. Then in 1923, the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution changed it to "the flag of the United States of America". Then in 1954, the Knights of Columbus successfully lobbied Congress to add "under God".

Also, in 1940, the Supreme Court ruled that public schools could compel students to say the pledge, and in 1943, the Supreme Court overruled itself and ruled that public schools could NOT compel students to say the pledge.

So if we've been doing it forever, then people have also been not agreeing with it forever.

Anonymous wrote:I wish schools and kids did still.

But more more in vogue to hate on America than appreciate what it has accomplished over the 400+ years.

I think you can appreciate America without pressuring young children into this nationalistic brainwashing ritual

I was pressured into it as a kid and did not appreciate the feeling at all

Anonymous wrote:We say it every morning in the NoVa public school where I work. We expect kids to stand and show respect but do not insist anyone say it. I personally do not say "under God" because I don't believe that.

No, you are not allowed to require them to stand.

I wish schools and kids did still.

But more more in vogue to hate on America than appreciate what it has accomplished over the 400+ years.

We say it every morning in the NoVa public school where I work. We expect kids to stand and show respect but do not insist anyone say it. I personally do not say "under God" because I don't believe that.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't born in this country and I am uncomfortable about the idea of my kids doing it

Maybe you need to get on a boat and return to whatever third world ghetto you came from.

Haha I am from Canada you dumb f---

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't born in this country and I am uncomfortable about the idea of my kids doing it

This is why many of us are frustrated. You want to come here and benefit from the economy and from the protection of your rights, but don't feel "allegiance"? This is a civic ritual, and if it "brainwashes" kids into valuing "liberty and justice for all", I'm good.

I've been here since the age of 8 and I didn't like it back then.
My kid was born here and I don't like it for here either

You can appreciate the United States as a great example of a democratic and economic success story without this weird brainwashing ritual

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Anonymous wrote:I would have not problem with it being recited but for the "under God" part. I don't think anyone should have to recite pledges (or abstain, thus singling them out) that include religious references.

So let's stop doing something we've done forever so the few who don't agree with it won't feel left out? Can we pls teach kids to not be afraid to show their beliefs?

We haven't said "under God" forever. It was added in the 1950s during the McCarthy era. Extensive knowledge of American history is much more patriotic (and a better thing to be taught in schools) than mindlessly reciting a pledge, especially one that needlessly includes a religious aspect.