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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought that Adnan was innocent. It's surprises me when people who have listened to Serial and watch this show disagree. After watching last night's show, March 24th, I find it really, really hard to believe that he's guilty. Would love to hear from someone who disagrees, and why?

Who do you think did it, and how did Jay know everything?

I used to think he was innocent after listening to Serial. Now I'm leaning towards guilty, but not 100%. I think the idea cited earlier in this thread - that he was going to pay Jay to do it and it got messed up, so he did it or they did it together - is very likely. He can't say that now, because he's still holding out hope he will be found innocent, but is furious that Jay went free. There are just too many inconsistencies in Adnan's story (that he and Jay didn't know each other well when they obviously did, asking Hae for a ride, whether he was actually at track / the mosque that day, the cell records) for him to have not been involved. And Jay knew too much - but had no motive without Adnan.

The only other possibility to me seems like Don, her current boyfriend - but he had no motive.

How do we know Don didn't have a motive? Do you think they spent more than 2 seconds looking at him?

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Anonymous wrote:The last episode was heartbreaking. Seeing what a failure this justice system is, I would have taken that plea deal. Those DNA samples were not tested. Wtf? Just awful. I feel so sorry for that poor mother.

The last episode sold me on his innocence.

If he had actually done it, he would have taken the plea.

Not really... I can see even a guilty person not wanting to go in front of the court and say... I lied to you mom, I lied to you dad.. I lied to you Rabia… Now that's honor culture for real.

So it’s OK to kill someone but not to lie?

Are you purposely being dense? Adnan's family doesn't believe he lied or that he did it. If he did it, I can understand him not wanting to put his family and friends through the pain of revealing that he lied to them AND that he did it just to get out of jail.

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Anonymous wrote:The last episode was heartbreaking. Seeing what a failure this justice system is, I would have taken that plea deal. Those DNA samples were not tested. Wtf? Just awful. I feel so sorry for that poor mother.

The last episode sold me on his innocence.

If he had actually done it, he would have taken the plea.

Not really... I can see even a guilty person not wanting to go in front of the court and say... I lied to you mom, I lied to you dad.. I lied to you Rabia… Now that's honor culture for real.

So it’s OK to kill someone but not to lie?

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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought that Adnan was innocent. It's surprises me when people who have listened to Serial and watch this show disagree. After watching last night's show, March 24th, I find it really, really hard to believe that he's guilty. Would love to hear from someone who disagrees, and why?

To have a guy Jay, incriminate himself and say he saw the body and helped bury it is extremely damaging evidence. People get serious time for being in the car with someone who kills someone in a botched robbery when they had no idea it was going to happen. Why would Jay risk all of this over a "weed possession" incident. I just don't get it. I still don't see how he is not in jail right now for a role that he admitted to play.

They pointed out that Jay was a teenager himself, and because he hadn’t been charged with anything during his interviews, he didn’t have a lawyer present. I can totally see a young black boy being manipulated by the police into thinking that it’s in his interest to cop to helping Annan with the body in order to avoid a drug charge.

I don't.. That's absolutely nuts, no one from a similar background that I grew up with would do something so stupid.

And yet it worked for him. The prosecutor called in a favor and got him a good lawyer, and he served no jail time.

Yes it did and I'm astonished by it... Certainly odd. But the fact that he would implicate himself in such a crime does not speak well for Adnan whether he got off or not. How would he know he's getting off? Now if there's some conspiracy and he's an informant that changes everything but we don't have any hard evidence for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought that Adnan was innocent. It's surprises me when people who have listened to Serial and watch this show disagree. After watching last night's show, March 24th, I find it really, really hard to believe that he's guilty. Would love to hear from someone who disagrees, and why?

To have a guy Jay, incriminate himself and say he saw the body and helped bury it is extremely damaging evidence. People get serious time for being in the car with someone who kills someone in a botched robbery when they had no idea it was going to happen. Why would Jay risk all of this over a "weed possession" incident. I just don't get it. I still don't see how he is not in jail right now for a role that he admitted to play.

They pointed out that Jay was a teenager himself, and because he hadn’t been charged with anything during his interviews, he didn’t have a lawyer present. I can totally see a young black boy being manipulated by the police into thinking that it’s in his interest to cop to helping Annan with the body in order to avoid a drug charge.

I don't.. That's absolutely nuts, no one from a similar background that I grew up with would do something so stupid.

And yet it worked for him. The prosecutor called in a favor and got him a good lawyer, and he served no jail time.

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Anonymous wrote:The last episode was heartbreaking. Seeing what a failure this justice system is, I would have taken that plea deal. Those DNA samples were not tested. Wtf? Just awful. I feel so sorry for that poor mother.

The last episode sold me on his innocence.

If he had actually done it, he would have taken the plea.

Not really... I can see even a guilty person not wanting to go in front of the court and say... I lied to you mom, I lied to you dad.. I lied to you Rabia… Now that's honor culture for real.

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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought that Adnan was innocent. It's surprises me when people who have listened to Serial and watch this show disagree. After watching last night's show, March 24th, I find it really, really hard to believe that he's guilty. Would love to hear from someone who disagrees, and why?

To have a guy Jay, incriminate himself and say he saw the body and helped bury it is extremely damaging evidence. People get serious time for being in the car with someone who kills someone in a botched robbery when they had no idea it was going to happen. Why would Jay risk all of this over a "weed possession" incident. I just don't get it. I still don't see how he is not in jail right now for a role that he admitted to play.

They pointed out that Jay was a teenager himself, and because he hadn’t been charged with anything during his interviews, he didn’t have a lawyer present. I can totally see a young black boy being manipulated by the police into thinking that it’s in his interest to cop to helping Annan with the body in order to avoid a drug charge.

I don't.. That's absolutely nuts, no one from a similar background that I grew up with would do something so stupid.

Anonymous wrote:The last episode was heartbreaking. Seeing what a failure this justice system is, I would have taken that plea deal. Those DNA samples were not tested. Wtf? Just awful. I feel so sorry for that poor mother.

The last episode sold me on his innocence.

If he had actually done it, he would have taken the plea.

The last episode was heartbreaking. Seeing what a failure this justice system is, I would have taken that plea deal. Those DNA samples were not tested. Wtf? Just awful. I feel so sorry for that poor mother.

Is Jennifer transitioning?

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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought that Adnan was innocent. It's surprises me when people who have listened to Serial and watch this show disagree. After watching last night's show, March 24th, I find it really, really hard to believe that he's guilty. Would love to hear from someone who disagrees, and why?

To have a guy Jay, incriminate himself and say he saw the body and helped bury it is extremely damaging evidence. People get serious time for being in the car with someone who kills someone in a botched robbery when they had no idea it was going to happen. Why would Jay risk all of this over a "weed possession" incident. I just don't get it. I still don't see how he is not in jail right now for a role that he admitted to play.

They pointed out that Jay was a teenager himself, and because he hadn’t been charged with anything during his interviews, he didn’t have a lawyer present. I can totally see a young black boy being manipulated by the police into thinking that it’s in his interest to cop to helping Annan with the body in order to avoid a drug charge.

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to see how people age over 20 years. Jennifer looks like she's had a tough life.

I actually find this to be one of the most fascinating aspects of the show!

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Anonymous wrote:This HBO show is based off of Rabias book so it has to be biased right?

Of course... Serial was balanced I would say. Rabia wanted her own spin so she helped launch Undisclosed. It was great to hear another perspective but clearly she's the most biased of the three lawyers on the project.

I'm not sure if Adnan did it but if he's in jail I think Jay also needs to be in jail.

I think that the HBO show, if anything, adds much more context to Hae herself. I found that Serial focused on the crime itself more than the people caught up in it. I think that Hae has largely been forgotten due to the hullabaloo about the case developments. I think HBO did a good job of bringing her to the forefront.

That first episode was so sad. I'm not sure it was appropriate to read from Hae's diary but it gave us a moving picture of a young woman full of life and all the feelings of adolescence. I really understood - more than I did after listening to Serial - what a loss this was.

I agree. A PP didn’t like the drawings but I did. You got a real sense of Hae as this romantic, idealistic girl. They could have been cheesy, but I think they were actually pretty effective.

Anonymous wrote:Police framing Adnan/feeding Jay info to convict Adnan is the crux of thinking Adnan didn't do it. Netflix's Making a Murderer claimed police planted DNA to frame Steve Avery.

As great a stories these are, I always find it difficult to believe conspiracy theories, because I can't imagine so many people playing a part of keeping the secret for so long (forever). Big mouths would tell someone, or death bed confessions, etc. would eventually have the truth come out, I'd think. Have there ever been any known similar criminal situations where framing has worked for a really, really long time, then found out? (I guess we wouldn't know if there are any that were successfully carried out.)

I think think there are actually a fair number of cases where it is at least much suspected that the police or prosecutors planted or created evidence in order to convict someone they thought was guilty but lacked sufficient evidence against. I don't think it's a frame up of an innocent person for sh*ts and giggles, rather it's cops and prosecutors who think they're doing the right thing. In lots of cases they are never found out/we never hear about it because the person was guilty. Think about all of the cases of jail house snitches; do you really think all of those people randomly confessed to their cell mates? Listen to Season 2 of the In the Dark podcast; I think Curtis Flowers may well be innocent, but I 100% think that a bunch of the witness testimony was invented by the investigator/the prosecutor (both the snitches and the route witnesses)... Lots of the witnesses themselves allege this. Think about the 1,000s of prosecutors who courts have said committed Brady violations (i.e., not handing over exculpatory evidence to the defense). Look at the Louis Eppolito shenanigans in NYC (crooked cop).

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Anonymous wrote:Adnan killed her and was going to flee the country. They found passport photos in his car. The family also sent a younger child back to Pakistan for education after he was bullied here.

What the heck are you talking about? Who was sent "back" to Pakistan?

Yeah, what?