Anonymous wrote:I have a few dual citizenship friends who got their clearances through the military and like some PP said, they just surrendered their other passports. Some countries, like Russia, make giving up their citizenship virtually impossible even if you were adopted as a baby and had nothing to do with it since.

If you were adopted, you lose citizenship. We adopted.

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Anonymous wrote:How do they have the right to view your medical records?

Do I consent to this at some point with some form in this process??

I am not sure about this either. I don’t recall consenting to this anywhere in the SF-86. I thought all medical records had to be voluntarily provided due to HIPAA. I really don’t see how anyone other than explicitly named and authorized sources could get to my medical records. How would some contractor they hired to do my background investigation even know where to go? I’ve never named a doctor and I’ve been through multiple BIs.

I just think there’s a lot of hysteria on this thread. Either that or it’s VERY agency-specific.

Its the government, they have access to anything. You absolutely sign consenting for medical records.

This is so blatantly untrue. Like someone said below, they can ask and if you deny, you can be denied a clearance. But no, the “government” does not have unfettered right to my private medical records. Are you insane?

Be real, the government has access to everything. They can look through your health insurance provider and other ways to find out who your doctor is but if you don't sign the release you probably aren't going to get a clearance.

No they don't.

Have you been through a clearance process? I have a TS//SCI clearance, including a full-scope lifestyle polygraph. The government did not ask me for my health insurance provider and did not access my medical records beyond the scope of the questions I answered on my SF-86.

Stop it with your conspiracy theories.

My spouse has one too and yes, he had to sign consenting to his medical records and many other things. You probably didn't read the questions/consent carefully. For updates, no but for the initial one yes.

I have TS/SCI and my agency only requires me to advance disclose travel to a specific list of countries.

I have a few dual citizenship friends who got their clearances through the military and like some PP said, they just surrendered their other passports. Some countries, like Russia, make giving up their citizenship virtually impossible even if you were adopted as a baby and had nothing to do with it since.

A couple of comments:

Old drug use: Not a problem if you disclose. (several years ago).

Pot is illegal under federal laws. Current pot use shows disregard for the rules. Hence, no clearance.

Financial issues: the real question is judgement. If you had a lavish lifestyle and went into debt, and fall behind, no clearance. They really only care if you are delinquent by more than 3 or 4 months. If you made good, and disclose, no problem.

Arrests: if you are arrested, that usually is an indication of someone out of control. You are more likely to be stupid.

Travel: They can not stop you from traveling, but if you travel without prior disclosure, they can revoke your clearance.

Mistakes happen. They know that. rare mistakes (like not knowing Disney is sending you to the Bahamas is not a big deal. Repeated mistakes are an indicator of poor judgement.

Security violations: everyone makes mistakes. Self report. If it is rare, no big deal. Most common one is bringing in the cellphone or Apple Watch into a closed area. I have done it three times over 12 years. Self report, and no big deal.

They are trying to make sure that you are not blackmailable (hence admitting things means you safe there), that you can't be bribed (financial issues make you vulnerable), and you are loyal to the USA.

Anonymous wrote:This case just makes me sad. We need single payer coverage!

http://ogc.osd.mil/doha/industrial/2018/18-01227.h1.pdf

The issue he had was failure to report. He was trying to hide his delinquencies. I have debt. I am current. No problem.

I have some medical bills that have gone to collection, I admit it. I explain it. No problem.

-- TS/SCI

My DH took a poly almost 20 years ago and got so flustered about ever when asked about doing anything illegal that he failed--all he could think about is all the CDs he copied and gave out to friends in college! He was so upset that he appealed, and I had to go in as a character witness. He actually won the appeal and the "failed poly" was scrubbed off his record. It soured him on the whole thing and he changed jobs out of the DoD/Intel sector.

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Anonymous wrote:My dh got nervous during the poly, he was just anxious but they said they couldn't pass him. All the other reams of paperwork we had to do, and financial disclosures checked out. They encouraged him to take the poly again, but with his anxiety issues he decided just to take a position that didn't need a poly, and they offered him a higher GS level as well. So it all worked out.

+1 This essentially happened to my husband too. The guy administering the poly sounded like an ass. My husband is pretty squeaky clean and honest to a fault. On the other hand, I've met a lot of people with clearance who are a hot mess (seemingly poor judges of character, poor financial decisions etc.).

It’s all bluffing. They’re just doing their jobs, and I made my polygrapher mad because she couldn’t fluster me.

Anonymous wrote:My dh got nervous during the poly, he was just anxious but they said they couldn't pass him. All the other reams of paperwork we had to do, and financial disclosures checked out. They encouraged him to take the poly again, but with his anxiety issues he decided just to take a position that didn't need a poly, and they offered him a higher GS level as well. So it all worked out.

+1 This essentially happened to my husband too. The guy administering the poly sounded like an ass. My husband is pretty squeaky clean and honest to a fault. On the other hand, I've met a lot of people with clearance who are a hot mess (seemingly poor judges of character, poor financial decisions etc.).

My ex has a foreign-born parent and takes antidepressants. Got a clearance and they didn’t contact me, even though we had been living together less than a year earlier. (FSO). I know other people who claim that exes and teachers from high school were contacted.

Anonymous wrote:Weed shouldn't be illegal at the federal level especially since it's already legal in many states

If you can't see the difference between smoking weed with a friend and robbing a bank, then I can't help you

If you can't see the difference between "shouldn't be" and "isn't" then I can't help you.

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Anonymous wrote:How do they have the right to view your medical records?

Do I consent to this at some point with some form in this process??

I am not sure about this either. I don’t recall consenting to this anywhere in the SF-86. I thought all medical records had to be voluntarily provided due to HIPAA. I really don’t see how anyone other than explicitly named and authorized sources could get to my medical records. How would some contractor they hired to do my background investigation even know where to go? I’ve never named a doctor and I’ve been through multiple BIs.

I just think there’s a lot of hysteria on this thread. Either that or it’s VERY agency-specific.

Its the government, they have access to anything. You absolutely sign consenting for medical records.

This is so blatantly untrue. Like someone said below, they can ask and if you deny, you can be denied a clearance. But no, the “government” does not have unfettered right to my private medical records. Are you insane?

Be real, the government has access to everything. They can look through your health insurance provider and other ways to find out who your doctor is but if you don't sign the release you probably aren't going to get a clearance.

If you do not include all releases with your SF-86, your application goes nowhere. Nothing can be processed with out all questions answered and releases attached.

Anonymous wrote:BTW for everyone interested, you can find records of appeals of some clearance decisions here:

http://ogc.osd.mil/doha/industrial/

Worth looking through what issues get raised.

I wish someone showed me this when i went for my ts/sci fsp.

i read this years later and was fully prepared during my last ssbi to get my ts.

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Anonymous wrote:How do they have the right to view your medical records?

Do I consent to this at some point with some form in this process??

I am not sure about this either. I don’t recall consenting to this anywhere in the SF-86. I thought all medical records had to be voluntarily provided due to HIPAA. I really don’t see how anyone other than explicitly named and authorized sources could get to my medical records. How would some contractor they hired to do my background investigation even know where to go? I’ve never named a doctor and I’ve been through multiple BIs.

I just think there’s a lot of hysteria on this thread. Either that or it’s VERY agency-specific.

Its the government, they have access to anything. You absolutely sign consenting for medical records.

This is so blatantly untrue. Like someone said below, they can ask and if you deny, you can be denied a clearance. But no, the “government” does not have unfettered right to my private medical records. Are you insane?

Be real, the government has access to everything. They can look through your health insurance provider and other ways to find out who your doctor is but if you don't sign the release you probably aren't going to get a clearance.

No they don't.

Have you been through a clearance process? I have a TS//SCI clearance, including a full-scope lifestyle polygraph. The government did not ask me for my health insurance provider and did not access my medical records beyond the scope of the questions I answered on my SF-86.

Stop it with your conspiracy theories.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they don't deny me due to a history of depression

Depression is ok usually as long as it is disclosed.

It’s likely fine OP. Just disclose. You’ll be fine.