Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:53     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
OMG people. Can't even. I don't like how Warren handled release of her ancestry testing, but anyone who thinks that she is a beneficiary of affirmative action would not last a second in her law school class.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:53     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
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Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.



+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.


And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.


No self-identifying. You either is, or you ain't.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:52     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.



+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.


Cherokee tribal membership is not based on DNA. Either band.

AM I CHEROKEE? CAN I BE PART OF THE EBCI?

These are frequently asked questions of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. Many people want to know about becoming a tribal member based on having a relative of Cherokee descent. Enrollment in the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is governed by Cherokee Code, Chapter 49, Enrollment, and restricts enrollment to the following:

A direct lineal ancestor must appear on the 1924 Baker Roll of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.
You must possess at least 1/16 degree of Eastern Cherokee blood. Please note: Blood quantum is calculated from your ancestor listed on the 1924 Baker Roll. No DNA/blood testing is performed or acceptable for this calculation. To have this Roll searched, please contact the Enrollment Office to receive a form to complete and submit.
The Enrollment Office provides a Cherokee genealogy research service searching records prior to the 1924 Baker Roll. These records date back to 1835 and enumerate the members of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians within the limits of North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama. This service does not aid in determining eligibility for enrollment with the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.

Warren is insane to claim she’s a Cherokee. They are extremely ruthless in their membership.



She didn't claim to be a member of the tribe. Show me where she claimed that please.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:51     Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
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Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?


Do you think that was okay and honest?

you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.


How about we respond to each situation on its own merits...
Elizabeth Warren lied.
Donald Trump lied.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:51     Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?


Do you think that was okay and honest?

you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.


First of all, nice whataboutism.
Secondly, are you one of the morons outraged about what Northam - and/or Kavanaugh - had in their yearbooks, 35+ yrs. ago?
-DP

sexual assault is a bigger deal than lying about your enthnicity.

And I'm not white.


Definitely agree - if there was proof or corroborating evidence *of any kind* that sexual assault ever occurred. But there wasn't - not a shred. So this is actually a much bigger deal.



Please don't insult us, yourself and this conversation by making a political statement that is not true at all. ARe you the one who keeps posting that? Please stop. There was a lot of corroborating evidence. Just stop it. There was not incontrovertible proof. Those are the words you are looking for.
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/corroborating-evidence-christine-blasey-ford-allegations/




Ah yes, you're the poster who thinks you're "schooling" the rest of us with your lectures on "incontrovertible proof". Just stop. Americans, even those with political axes to grind, know that there simply wasn't enough of *anything* to conclude that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted anyone. You can claim there was corroborating evidence, but there simply wasn't. Goodbye.



There was evidence. No one is saying he should be put in to jail for it. Should he have a LIFETIME APPOINTMENT TO THE SUPREME COURT?

Most people think no.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:50     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Yawn. Under the Jim Crow philosophy of "one drop" she is Native American.

But I don't really care. Do you?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:49     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
This is from Warren's own website:

"Personnel documents from the University of Texas (including appointment forms in 1981, 1985, and 1988) show that she was listed as “white” while she was there. In December 1986, the Association of American Law Schools began including her in its minority law professor listings after she identified her Native American heritage."

So, she didn't ALWAYS identify as an American Indian.
Now, we know where they got that minority status.
I am sure her website will be edited tonight when she gets home from the SOTU.

https://facts.elizabethwarren.com/heritage-played-no-role-hiring/
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:49     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.



+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.


And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:49     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.



+ one million

. . .


+ two million!

Warren is a total farce. And a filthy rich, farce.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:47     Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be so great if all these outraged people would actually care about issues affecting Native Americans. We don’t need your false outrage to push your own political agendas. Put up or shut up. Makes me sick.



SO MUCH THIS.

I subscribe to a bunch of native american activists. There are much more important conversations than this.


And what is Elizabeth Warren doing about issues affecting Native Americans? I mean, they're her people and all...
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:46     Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?


Do you think that was okay and honest?

you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.


First of all, nice whataboutism.
Secondly, are you one of the morons outraged about what Northam - and/or Kavanaugh - had in their yearbooks, 35+ yrs. ago?
-DP

sexual assault is a bigger deal than lying about your enthnicity.

And I'm not white.


Definitely agree - if there was proof or corroborating evidence *of any kind* that sexual assault ever occurred. But there wasn't - not a shred. So this is actually a much bigger deal.



Please don't insult us, yourself and this conversation by making a political statement that is not true at all. ARe you the one who keeps posting that? Please stop. There was a lot of corroborating evidence. Just stop it. There was not incontrovertible proof. Those are the words you are looking for.
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/corroborating-evidence-christine-blasey-ford-allegations/




Ah yes, you're the poster who thinks you're "schooling" the rest of us with your lectures on "incontrovertible proof". Just stop. Americans, even those with political axes to grind, know that there simply wasn't enough of *anything* to conclude that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted anyone. You can claim there was corroborating evidence, but there simply wasn't. Goodbye.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:45     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.



+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.


Cherokee tribal membership is not based on DNA. Either band.

AM I CHEROKEE? CAN I BE PART OF THE EBCI?

These are frequently asked questions of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. Many people want to know about becoming a tribal member based on having a relative of Cherokee descent. Enrollment in the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is governed by Cherokee Code, Chapter 49, Enrollment, and restricts enrollment to the following:

A direct lineal ancestor must appear on the 1924 Baker Roll of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.
You must possess at least 1/16 degree of Eastern Cherokee blood. Please note: Blood quantum is calculated from your ancestor listed on the 1924 Baker Roll. No DNA/blood testing is performed or acceptable for this calculation. To have this Roll searched, please contact the Enrollment Office to receive a form to complete and submit.
The Enrollment Office provides a Cherokee genealogy research service searching records prior to the 1924 Baker Roll. These records date back to 1835 and enumerate the members of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians within the limits of North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama. This service does not aid in determining eligibility for enrollment with the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.

Warren is insane to claim she’s a Cherokee. They are extremely ruthless in their membership.

Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:44     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Another native american issue that is HUGE right now. The bill started by Heitkamp about violence against native american women (Savanna's Act) was single handed squashed last year but a white republican guy who THANKFULLY was voted out at the midterms.

Murkowski revived it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lisa-murkowski-violence-native-women-savannas-act_us_5c4f1d2be4b0287e5b8cfffa

There is a great movie on Netflix called Wind River that I highly recommend. I encourage anyone complaining about Warren's self identification to educate themselves by watching it.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:42     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
I still don't consider lying about your ethnicity that big of a deal. I know a guy who is 1/16 Am. Indian. Dude looks 100% white - light hair, blue eyes. I'm Asian, and I look more Indian American than he does, but he can claim it and I really don't care, just like I really don't care that Warren lied about her ethnicity 40 years ago. I'm also not liberal.


Her career took an upward turn after she registered as an American Indian. It would appear that was her motive in doing this. Why would she suddenly decide to claim this heritage on a law license?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 21:40     Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.



Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.


+100
This.



+ one million

I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.