Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 15:35     Subject: Re:SYC

Anonymous wrote:Are you guys out of your minds. Since when is a soccer coaching job any different than any other job. If anyone wants to leave their job for a different job, they don't wait until the end of the year, they just give notice and leave. Leaving a club shows lack of integrity? Are you kidding me? This whole thread shows how unrealistic your expectations are. When I came to this forum I was looking for some advice on what club to choose when we move into the area. After reading this forum, which by the way was very entertaining, I don't know if I want my kids to play soccer in NOVA. You guys are nuts.


Since soccer coaching is broken into years and seasons within the year...?

And are you saying that every time you *want* to quit your job, you just up and do it? I think that most people do tend to wait for a "good" time to do so...wrap up a big project, wait for a life transition, etc. Just like a soccer coach waiting until the end of the year.

Don't worry, you'll learn all about the soccer calendar when you "move into the area," having disregarded the counsel on these forums, and your kids end up playing on the teams that offer to take them.

And if you're the one making the call on whether your kids are playing soccer, then are we the ones who are nuts?
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 15:34     Subject: Re:SYC

Anonymous wrote:Are you guys out of your minds. Since when is a soccer coaching job any different than any other job. If anyone wants to leave their job for a different job, they don't wait until the end of the year, they just give notice and leave. Leaving a club shows lack of integrity? Are you kidding me? This whole thread shows how unrealistic your expectations are. When I came to this forum I was looking for some advice on what club to choose when we move into the area. After reading this forum, which by the way was very entertaining, I don't know if I want my kids to play soccer in NOVA. You guys are nuts.


If notice is given and then leaving at the end of the year then it's fine and not a lack of integrity. I think people here are moving mid-year. A liked coach and state champion was fired unexpectedly and additional rumors of trying to destabilize a next door club by taking a good number of their coaches and players impacting the status of those at SYC whether by being fired or no longer having place on that team. I guess that it could also mean that no one is displaced but that the number of coaches and teams at SYC increases. A lot of this is just rumors and in the end it probably won't be much of anything.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 15:33     Subject: Re:SYC

Anonymous wrote:Are you guys out of your minds. Since when is a soccer coaching job any different than any other job. If anyone wants to leave their job for a different job, they don't wait until the end of the year, they just give notice and leave. Leaving a club shows lack of integrity? Are you kidding me? This whole thread shows how unrealistic your expectations are. When I came to this forum I was looking for some advice on what club to choose when we move into the area. After reading this forum, which by the way was very entertaining, I don't know if I want my kids to play soccer in NOVA. You guys are nuts.



It is completely different from most other jobs. Players and parents make a one year commitment to a team based in large part on who the coach is going to be. It is not at all unreasonable to expect that the coach will honor his/her side of that commitment. It is not an unrealistic expectation either, given how extremely rare it is for a coach to leave a club in mid-year.



Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 15:30     Subject: Re:SYC

LMVSC coaches leaving don't have to do anything with regards to notice, but it's probably good form. Same thing with coaches getting let go from SYC, they should be given a heads up. Basic professional courtesy in these matters should be standard, from both sides. This whole drama with the 2 clubs will get ugly and at the end of the day, kids and teams will feel the brunt of it.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 15:15     Subject: Re:SYC

Are you guys out of your minds. Since when is a soccer coaching job any different than any other job. If anyone wants to leave their job for a different job, they don't wait until the end of the year, they just give notice and leave. Leaving a club shows lack of integrity? Are you kidding me? This whole thread shows how unrealistic your expectations are. When I came to this forum I was looking for some advice on what club to choose when we move into the area. After reading this forum, which by the way was very entertaining, I don't know if I want my kids to play soccer in NOVA. You guys are nuts.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 13:42     Subject: SYC

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ask Este what coaches are expected to leave LMVSC and what his plan is to get SYC into CCL. If nothing else, this will give some insight into his credibility if and when those things happen as he says.


So, lemme get this straight. If LMVSC coaches state their intent to leave mid-season, then they're garbage contract-breakers who are behaving outrageously, but if they keep quiet and coach through the season, then that is somehow a referendum on their integrity? And Este is supposed to somehow speak for them now, as a referendum on his integrity/credibility?


Someone struck an exposed nerve


Maybe. More like it’s pretty dumb to ask about coaching changes right now. They’re gonna happen. How many? Who knows...maybe some of the coaches haven’t even made up their minds yet, or will change their minds later. Even if it’s all decided (and it’s likely not), would you really want the answer right now before spring season even starts?

Double stupid to expect Este to account for others’ future decisions as a test of his credibility.

The CCL question is interesting, though.


I have my doubts that they'll get in. As previously mentioned, SYC didn't fit the first time they tried and how would CCL accept another new club that is impacting one of their current members directly, especially if coaches and players leave one for the other?
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 13:37     Subject: SYC

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ask Este what coaches are expected to leave LMVSC and what his plan is to get SYC into CCL. If nothing else, this will give some insight into his credibility if and when those things happen as he says.


So, lemme get this straight. If LMVSC coaches state their intent to leave mid-season, then they're garbage contract-breakers who are behaving outrageously, but if they keep quiet and coach through the season, then that is somehow a referendum on their integrity? And Este is supposed to somehow speak for them now, as a referendum on his integrity/credibility?


Someone struck an exposed nerve


Maybe. More like it’s pretty dumb to ask about coaching changes right now. They’re gonna happen. How many? Who knows...maybe some of the coaches haven’t even made up their minds yet, or will change their minds later. Even if it’s all decided (and it’s likely not), would you really want the answer right now before spring season even starts?

Double stupid to expect Este to account for others’ future decisions as a test of his credibility.

The CCL question is interesting, though.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 11:57     Subject: SYC

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ask Este what coaches are expected to leave LMVSC and what his plan is to get SYC into CCL. If nothing else, this will give some insight into his credibility if and when those things happen as he says.


So, lemme get this straight. If LMVSC coaches state their intent to leave mid-season, then they're garbage contract-breakers who are behaving outrageously, but if they keep quiet and coach through the season, then that is somehow a referendum on their integrity? And Este is supposed to somehow speak for them now, as a referendum on his integrity/credibility?


Someone struck an exposed nerve
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 11:00     Subject: SYC

Anonymous wrote:Ask Este what coaches are expected to leave LMVSC and what his plan is to get SYC into CCL. If nothing else, this will give some insight into his credibility if and when those things happen as he says.


So, lemme get this straight. If LMVSC coaches state their intent to leave mid-season, then they're garbage contract-breakers who are behaving outrageously, but if they keep quiet and coach through the season, then that is somehow a referendum on their integrity? And Este is supposed to somehow speak for them now, as a referendum on his integrity/credibility?
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2019 10:24     Subject: SYC

Ask Este what coaches are expected to leave LMVSC and what his plan is to get SYC into CCL. If nothing else, this will give some insight into his credibility if and when those things happen as he says.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2019 19:59     Subject: Re:SYC

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone heard anything more about which coaches will be brought in and which will be let go at the end of the year? We're getting nervous our coach will get replaced and he doesn't seem to know where he stands with the club.


Unless someone is in the know, you'll have to wait until April to find out.


I'm sure coaches moving to SYC won't say anything in order to maintain current teams and paycheck. Those at SYC will probably speak up at some point out of frustration and just find somewhere to go. The uncertainty sucks for someone trying to do their job not knowing where they are going to be next year.


Expect his brother at a minimum. Easy to find on their site under travel coaches. Same last name.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2019 13:24     Subject: Re:SYC

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone heard anything more about which coaches will be brought in and which will be let go at the end of the year? We're getting nervous our coach will get replaced and he doesn't seem to know where he stands with the club.


Unless someone is in the know, you'll have to wait until April to find out.


I'm sure coaches moving to SYC won't say anything in order to maintain current teams and paycheck. Those at SYC will probably speak up at some point out of frustration and just find somewhere to go. The uncertainty sucks for someone trying to do their job not knowing where they are going to be next year.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2019 11:25     Subject: Re:SYC

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone heard anything more about which coaches will be brought in and which will be let go at the end of the year? We're getting nervous our coach will get replaced and he doesn't seem to know where he stands with the club.


Unless someone is in the know, you'll have to wait until April to find out.
Anonymous
Post 02/11/2019 20:36     Subject: Re:SYC

Has anyone heard anything more about which coaches will be brought in and which will be let go at the end of the year? We're getting nervous our coach will get replaced and he doesn't seem to know where he stands with the club.
Anonymous
Post 02/11/2019 14:51     Subject: Re:SYC

Anonymous wrote:Long read but verifiable facts. SYC parents who are concerned about the repeated re-organizations, lack of communication and embarrassingly unprofessional conduct of SYC Soccer leadership need to educate yourselves on how SYC soccer decisions are made and get active to try and save your club.
Below this message is a link to the SYC Soccer Program Guide. Pages 9-12 describing how the soccer program is managed. In summary, the SYC Board delegates the management of the travel and recreation programs to the "SYC Soccer Committee". This committee is responsible for appointing the Technical Director, Travel Commissioner and REC Commissioner. In addition, the Soccer Committee appoints new members to the Committee by a majority vote.
Current SYC Soccer Committee Membership:
• Members with children playing REC soccer 2 out of 12;
• Members with children playing boys travel 3 out of 12;
• Members with children playing girls travel 7 out of 12;
• The boys travel program has zero representation from the U9-U14 academies.
• The girls 2004 travel team has 4 members on the Committee!!!
• Cesar Torres, voted Co-Chair of the Committee and Travel Commissioner in June 2018, has a daughter playing on the 2004 girls team. In addition, he has a son playing rec soccer and another daughter who plays travel soccer for Arlington. She had played for SYC until this year. That is right, the Commissioner of SYC Travel Soccer moved his own daughter to the Arlington Soccer Association!!!
This is a rumor, but appears to have played out as rumored. The 2004 girls academy did not approve of Lee as the Technical Director and disagreed with coaching changes he made in the 2017-2018 season. The Soccer Committee is now monopolized by the 2004 girls academy and Cesar controls all decisions.
The Soccer Committee and Travel Commissioner have not made an honest effort to appoint members to the Committee that represent the views of its diverse membership. In addition, they made no attempt to survey the full membership or include the REC league directors, travel academy managers or professional soccer coaches in the dialogue as they evaluated the multiple major changes they have made since August 1, 2018. They have ignored explicit, and multiple requests, to have open and honest dialogue with the membership and the coaches they are supposed to represent. In addition, they had received plenty of explicit support for Lee Chang as the technical director and his vision for SYC.
Unfortunately, whether this happened by accident or intentionally, Cesar Torres, Travel Commissioner and Co-chair of the Soccer Committee has been able to assume complete control over all SYC soccer decisions. He proposed, and the Soccer Committee approved, hiring Dotty Talbott as the Executive Director without posting the position publicly. The new Technical Director, Esteban Maldonado, formerly of LMSVC, was hired without a public search. It is unclear who proposed and who approved this decision. If the club needed any of these changes, and I think the role of executive director was needed, it is irresponsible to hire the two most important positions at an soccer club without performing an independent and public search to hire the most capable candidates.

The most disappointing changes at SYC are the complete lack of respect and decency demonstrated by its leadership. Team sports should be teaching kids valuable life lessons such as commitment, reliability, integrity, mutual respect and teamwork. Unfortunately, SYC’s current leadership is not leading by example.

Here is an incomplete list of the unprofessional, sad and embarrassing actions by SYC leadership:

Lee, and 3 other coaches, were fired by e-mail on Saturday January 19, 2019 at approximately 9 pm. Lee had over 12 years of service at SYC, another coach 15+ years with SYC. (I have the e-mail).

Parents with children on teams coached by these individuals were notified, by e-mail, that their coach was no longer employed by SYC, provided the name of the new coach and date and time for a meeting to be introduced to the new coach. All travel players signed a contract committing to SYC for a year and one of the most important factors to this contract is the assumption your coach will not change during the year. SYC does not take their commitment as seriously as they expect their players.

The membership made it crystal clear to Cesar and Dotty, at a town hall meeting on December 3,2018, that coaching changes mid-year were not appropriate and would not be well received. In that meeting they said no changes would be made until they came back to the membership with a plan at the next town hall meeting to be held in January 2019. That town hall meeting never happened.

The full SYC Board of Directors and specifically President of the SYC Board, Chris Spera, made the situation worse by miscalculating the problems with SYC soccer and clearly not understanding the reason SYC is in this situation. The by-laws of the Soccer Committee, as established by the SYC Board, created the environment where a minority of parents are dictating the direction of SYC soccer. This is clearly an issue the full board is responsible for addressing. After many of the parents of kids on teams whose coaches were fired e-mailed him and other board members with their concerns Mr. Spera sent this reply to all teams who had a coaching change:

In recent days the SYC Board of Directors has been included on a number of emails regarding the termination of the contracts of several travel soccer coaches. Please understand that the SYC Board of Directors has nothing to do with the decision to retain or remove a particular coach and will not get involved in reviewing such a decision. That is the purview of the Travel Soccer Commissioner as advised by the Executive Director. SYC offers 13 different sports, with over over 5000 member families and approximately 10,000 annual registrations. The club’s board of directors is responsible for the overall management of the operations of the club, policy decisions regarding what we charge, the sports we offer, and the sound fiscal management of the club as a whole; the board does not make individual sport-specific decisions regarding a particular team’s coach.

In this instance, in the summer and fall of 2018, the board approved several changes in how travel soccer would be administered going forward. That included the appointment of an Executive Director, who was specifically retained to be sure, among other things, that the club was following best practices in how the travel soccer program was being run. These coaching changes are made by the individuals within the sport's administration who are empowered to make such changes. Any action that was taken was taken by the person within travel soccer who is authorized to make the decision and pursuant to the express terms of the contract each coach signed.

There will be further communication from the travel soccer leadership with each team, but the SYC Board of Directors will not get further involved.

On behalf of the Board,

Chris Spera
President, Board of Directors
Springfield/South County Youth Club

Mr. Maldonado was hired while Lee Chang was still employed by SYC.

Keep it classy SYC!
SYC Soccer Program Guide: https://cdn4.sportngin.com/attachments/document/0026/6057/SoccerProgramGuide-MAR062018.pdf?_ga=2.228297949.1985156696.1549495333-994703128.1548174077


I looked at our Program Guide. The first sentence reads, "The Soccer Committee is composed of a minimum of three voting core members, plus three non-voting members: Technical Director, Director of Volunteer Coaches, and the Virginian Tournament Director." So does Dotty, as the Virginian Tournament Director, get around the no vote rule as the Executive Director? There are so many thoughts after looking at this post and our Program Guide that it begins to read like some shady spy novel. Given the voting criteria, the girls' reps alone control the majority to govern all SYC soccer.