Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:56
Subject: Re:Is this residency fraud?
Where's the part about your residence being where you sleep 180 days a year in the DC Code? I've looked hard - it's not there. Sounds like OP could easily make it the case if she wants. She might do that, who are we to say that she can't and won't. But then I could care less if she does, like most reasonably happy people, and my kid attends a crowded DCPS program, very crowded.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:51
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:She can own two homes and have one permanent residency. It can be either the Shaw house or the condo. She will go to either place daily.
Yeah but you can't claim to be inbounds for both. Most jurisdictions will find that your legal residence is where you sleep over 180 nights a year. If her kid is going to be doing a lot of overnights at his grandmothers and claim that to be his residence, fine, but it doesn't like that is the case at all.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:46
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
She can own two homes and have one permanent residency. It can be either the Shaw house or the condo. She will go to either place daily.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:44
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Legal residence - (law) the residence where you have your permanent home or principal establishment and to where, whenever you are absent, you intend to return; every person is compelled to have one and only one domicile at a time;
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:44
Subject: Re:Is this residency fraud?
For the purposes of public school enrollment, DC DOES define "reside" -- from OSSE
From OSSE re
Bona fide residency https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/o...AQs%20Residency%20Processs.pdf
As a reminder, to establish bona fide residency, the person enrolling the student shall demonstrate compliance with all three of the following requirements:
(1) If anyone other than the parent is enrolling the student, establish that they are the valid guardian, custodian, or other primary caregiver, as set forth in 5-A DCMR § 5000 et seq. and specifically defined in 5-A DCMR § 5099, with proper documentation such as a custody order, or an “other primary caregiver” form;
(2) Establish a physical presence in the District, defined as the “actual occupation and inhabitance of a place of abode with the intent to dwell for a continuous period of time”;[u] and
(3) Submit valid and proper documentation that establishes bona fide residency as set forth in 5-A DCMR § 5004.
From OSSE re
Bona fide residency https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/o...AQs%20Residency%20Processs.pdf
As a reminder, to establish bona fide residency, the person enrolling the student shall demonstrate compliance with all three of the following requirements:
(1) If anyone other than the parent is enrolling the student, establish that they are the valid guardian, custodian, or other primary caregiver, as set forth in 5-A DCMR § 5000 et seq. and specifically defined in 5-A DCMR § 5099, with proper documentation such as a custody order, or an “other primary caregiver” form;
(2) Establish a physical presence in the District, defined as the “actual occupation and inhabitance of a place of abode with the intent to dwell for a continuous period of time”;[u] and
(3) Submit valid and proper documentation that establishes bona fide residency as set forth in 5-A DCMR § 5004.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:41
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is NOT Residency Fraud because her principal residence is in DC. She will not violate any laws of falsifying documents if she makes the condo her principal home for legal purposes.
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
That's nice how you think you can just make up the laws and facts. Changing your address on your tax forms and drivers license =/= making it your legal residence. You can't just change your address and make that your place of legal domicile. And even if we're going by the Merriam-Webster definition (which is hysterical that you think that's probative of anything), OP is not meeting that definition, because she does not dwell there at all.
Who made up anything? Please find the DCPS list to determine residency. I'm sorry...where are your facts?
Proof of Current District of Columbia Residency
You must provide 2 of the documents listed below (in which the address matches EXACTLY on both documents) to satisfy proof of current District of Columbia residency. DC DMV will NOT accept documents that are not listed below to satisfy proof of DC residency.
NOTE: Source documents (2 required) must be original AND contain a valid DC address (PO boxes not acceptable). Computer printouts of online bills are considered original.
•Utility bill (water, gas, electric, oil, or cable), with name and address, issued within the last 60 days (disconnect notices/bills are not accepted)
•Telephone bill (cell phone, wireless, or pager bills acceptable), reflecting applicant's name and current address, issued within the last 60 days (disconnect notices/bills are not accepted)
•Deed, mortgage, or settlement agreement reflecting applicant's name and property address
•Unexpired lease or rental agreement with the name of the applicant listed as the lessee, permitted resident, or renter (may be a photocopy). The unexpired lease or rental agreement must be signed by all parties.
•Unexpired Sublease accompanied by the original unexpired Lease with the name of the certifier as sub-lessor
•DC property tax bill or tax assessment issued within the last 12 months reflecting the applicant's name and property address.
•Unexpired homeowner's or renter’s insurance policy reflecting name and address
•**Letter with picture from Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency (CSOSA) or DC Department of Corrections (DC DOC) certifying name and DC residency issued within the last 60 days
•Bank/credit union/credit card/investment account statement issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Official mail—received from ANY government agency (with full name and address) to include contents and envelope received within the last 60 days, excluding mail from DC DMV. DC DMV does not accept change of address forms from the United States Postal Service.
•**DC DMV-approved form from certified social service provider
•Medical bill issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address. An Explanation of Benefits is not a medical bill and will not be accepted.
•Student loan statement issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Home line of equity statement issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Car/personal loan statement (no coupon books/vouchers accepted) issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Home security system bill issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Letter on official letterhead issued by DC Universities and Colleges reflecting the customer’s name and address
You were saying?
Residency for a driver's license is not necessarily the right definition here.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:39
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
So you skipped the word “occupy” in that definition. Not convenient for you?
Do you believe that a person who is rich enough to afford two residences can take a spot from a kid whose family can’t afford the house AND the condo but tries to lottery into the school? That second kid is your victim.
Do you believe that a person who is rich enough to afford two residences can take a spot from a kid whose family can’t afford the house AND the condo but tries to lottery into the school? That second kid is your victim.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:39
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is NOT Residency Fraud because her principal residence is in DC. She will not violate any laws of falsifying documents if she makes the condo her principal home for legal purposes.
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
That's nice how you think you can just make up the laws and facts. Changing your address on your tax forms and drivers license =/= making it your legal residence. You can't just change your address and make that your place of legal domicile. And even if we're going by the Merriam-Webster definition (which is hysterical that you think that's probative of anything), OP is not meeting that definition, because she does not dwell there at all.
Who made up anything? Please find the DCPS list to determine residency. I'm sorry...where are your facts?
Proof of Current District of Columbia Residency
You must provide 2 of the documents listed below (in which the address matches EXACTLY on both documents) to satisfy proof of current District of Columbia residency. DC DMV will NOT accept documents that are not listed below to satisfy proof of DC residency.
NOTE: Source documents (2 required) must be original AND contain a valid DC address (PO boxes not acceptable). Computer printouts of online bills are considered original.
•Utility bill (water, gas, electric, oil, or cable), with name and address, issued within the last 60 days (disconnect notices/bills are not accepted)
•Telephone bill (cell phone, wireless, or pager bills acceptable), reflecting applicant's name and current address, issued within the last 60 days (disconnect notices/bills are not accepted)
•Deed, mortgage, or settlement agreement reflecting applicant's name and property address
•Unexpired lease or rental agreement with the name of the applicant listed as the lessee, permitted resident, or renter (may be a photocopy). The unexpired lease or rental agreement must be signed by all parties.
•Unexpired Sublease accompanied by the original unexpired Lease with the name of the certifier as sub-lessor
•DC property tax bill or tax assessment issued within the last 12 months reflecting the applicant's name and property address.
•Unexpired homeowner's or renter’s insurance policy reflecting name and address
•**Letter with picture from Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency (CSOSA) or DC Department of Corrections (DC DOC) certifying name and DC residency issued within the last 60 days
•Bank/credit union/credit card/investment account statement issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Official mail—received from ANY government agency (with full name and address) to include contents and envelope received within the last 60 days, excluding mail from DC DMV. DC DMV does not accept change of address forms from the United States Postal Service.
•**DC DMV-approved form from certified social service provider
•Medical bill issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address. An Explanation of Benefits is not a medical bill and will not be accepted.
•Student loan statement issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Home line of equity statement issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Car/personal loan statement (no coupon books/vouchers accepted) issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Home security system bill issued within the last 60 days reflecting name and address
•Letter on official letterhead issued by DC Universities and Colleges reflecting the customer’s name and address
You were saying?
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:38
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is NOT Residency Fraud because her principal residence is in DC. She will not violate any laws of falsifying documents if she makes the condo her principal home for legal purposes.
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
That's nice how you think you can just make up the laws and facts. Changing your address on your tax forms and drivers license =/= making it your legal residence. You can't just change your address and make that your place of legal domicile. And even if we're going by the Merriam-Webster definition (which is hysterical that you think that's probative of anything), OP is not meeting that definition, because she does not dwell there at all.
+1. So many issues with this response. DC absolutely has a definition of the word "reside." Each state defines that word for countless situations, school enrollment being one of them.
Residency issues are frequently litigated; there's a ton of case law on it; and in the situation OP describes, under literally any state's definition (except maybe Florida), she or her kid would absolutely NOT qualify as residing at her mom's future condo.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:30
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is NOT Residency Fraud because her principal residence is in DC. She will not violate any laws of falsifying documents if she makes the condo her principal home for legal purposes.
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
Not OP, but you rock, PP. Exactly.
To be sure, much success to OP and her family.
lol. clearly the issue is that you feel ENTITLED to do what you want. but that doesn't mean the law agrees with you. as much as you scream "it's a loophole" does not make it true.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:28
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:It is NOT Residency Fraud because her principal residence is in DC. She will not violate any laws of falsifying documents if she makes the condo her principal home for legal purposes.
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
That's nice how you think you can just make up the laws and facts. Changing your address on your tax forms and drivers license =/= making it your legal residence. You can't just change your address and make that your place of legal domicile. And even if we're going by the Merriam-Webster definition (which is hysterical that you think that's probative of anything), OP is not meeting that definition, because she does not dwell there at all.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:19
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:It is NOT Residency Fraud because her principal residence is in DC. She will not violate any laws of falsifying documents if she makes the condo her principal home for legal purposes.
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
Not OP, but you rock, PP. Exactly.
To be sure, much success to OP and her family.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:17
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm actually shocked at how angry some of you seem. I guess I should go back to my current living situation where my old mother lives on her own in a rural area and I would have to get after care for my kid instead? I get that they are neighborhood schools. My kid would also walk home, just with my mother, not me. I realize the easiest solution would be to buy something giant that can fit my mother in as well, WOTP, but my husband will leave me. I am not joking. They get along great, he just won't live with her. I can't leave my mother where she lives for much longer. This was my most creative solution. I am almost offended that essentially half of you tell me I'm a thief who thinks the rich can get away with anything. You people also probably voted for Trump.
I would like to thank all of you for your responses though. I have read them all, and I am hoping no one is actually inflamed by any of this. Happy Holidays!
On your side, PP. Maybe the eye-opener of the intensity of the anger expressed on this thread will stand you in good stead. It's not illegal to move between two houses you own in the District, and DCPS will almost certainly leave you alone if you're not renting out either. The situation you present isn't actually uncommon either WotP or EotP for strong DCPS programs. But your ability to afford multiple homes in the District, one in-boundary for a good by-right school, makes you a target for a few meddling and/or jealous parents, so best to keep a low profile with it all. OSSE only cares about tax and other residency documents in cases like yours. You can read other residency fraud threads for confirmation.
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:16
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
It is NOT Residency Fraud because her principal residence is in DC. She will not violate any laws of falsifying documents if she makes the condo her principal home for legal purposes.
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
DCPS Only states that you attest to “residing” at the particular address. DC does not have a definition of the word RESIDE. Merriam-Webster's definition of "reside" is to dwell permanently or continuously- occupy a place as one's legal domicile or have one's permanent home in a particular place.
Now let’s move to the word domicile - a person's fixed, permanent, and principal home for legal purposes.
So as long as you define the IB home as your principal home for legal purposes you have not broken any laws. Make it your “legal” home (with all documents DC uses to verify residency) and you will have not committed perjury or lied under oath or section of the DC code.
Enjoy Wilson and much success to you, your family and your child!
Anonymous
12/14/2018 15:14
Subject: Is this residency fraud?
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm actually shocked at how angry some of you seem. I guess I should go back to my current living situation where my old mother lives on her own in a rural area and I would have to get after care for my kid instead? I get that they are neighborhood schools. My kid would also walk home, just with my mother, not me. I realize the easiest solution would be to buy something giant that can fit my mother in as well, WOTP, but my husband will leave me. I am not joking. They get along great, he just won't live with her. I can't leave my mother where she lives for much longer. This was my most creative solution. I am almost offended that essentially half of you tell me I'm a thief who thinks the rich can get away with anything. You people also probably voted for Trump.
I would like to thank all of you for your responses though. I have read them all, and I am hoping no one is actually inflamed by any of this. Happy Holidays!
You're conflating the issue of your mom's care with the issue of your kid's school. Many are sympathetic to the former, but your solution to the latter strikes a nerve with people in this city---rightly so---because a lot of people try to cheat the system. Your good intentions with your mom don't justify being sneaky with school boundaries, sorry. And calling us all Trump supporters is just a desperate move (and the kind of attack/distraction technique Trump himself would use...).