Anonymous wrote:I’m beginning to think we may never know what happened. Just a crazy story.

Sadly, it often seems like if the missing person isn’t reported immediately and the suspect clams up, the case just never gets solved. Like with the Watts family in CO, if her friend hadn’t raised the alarm that day I wonder if that guy wouldn’t be free as a bird.

I’m beginning to think we may never know what happened. Just a crazy story.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the baby's father at least confirm or deny they were engaged, and also explain why they did not live together. None of that would be self incriminating and would also just make the whole thing less weird.

+1

Maybe he has already told the police everything that he knows and has been cooperating.

Maybe he did something to Kelsey and simply wants to make sure that the baby is with his family before he confesses and goes to jail.

Kelsey, for whatever reason, wasn't keeping her own family in the loop. There almost had to have been problems leading up to all this.

Anonymous wrote:Why can't the baby's father at least confirm or deny they were engaged, and also explain why they did not live together. None of that would be self incriminating and would also just make the whole thing less weird.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:He may have gone to her house, picked up the baby and left. Did he then go to Thanksgiving dinner with his family? Did he go and pick out a Christmas tree?

Maybe Kelsey had plans to have Thanksgiving with somebody else. She made a dish to bring, the person picked her up and took her somewhere.

It does sound as though she wasn't sharing everything about her life with her mom/family. Maybe she had started seeing somebody else and wasn't quite ready to mention that to her mom. It was easier to just leave her mom believing that she was spending the day with the baby's father.

Why would she go to a potluck or to a boyfriemd’s house and abandon her 1-year-old on a day for family and thanks?

Maybe she had the baby with her for Thanksgiving breakfast and made cinnamon rolls to enjoy together. The baby's dad came by to pick the baby up that afternoon and he was going to spend the later part of the day with baby going to dinner at his family's house and possibly picking out a Christmas tree.

It sounds like the dad is as involved a parent as Kelsey is. He probably isn't talking to police or allowing Kelsey's mom to see the baby because he wants to leave the baby with his family if he is taken in for questioning. The baby is used to his own mom and maybe isn't around Kelsey's mom that much.

If he and Kelsey were no longer an item and they were no longer see each other romantically but working together to co-parent...I can see why he might not have been worried when he received a text from her saying that she was going out of town for a little while. If he normally watched the baby during the day, he was used to having the baby with him. He's not acting like the distraught fiance because he and Kelsey were not planning to get married...that had all fizzled out well before she disappeared.

What? This is a ridiculous run-around. No matter their personal relationship this woman seemed like a caring mom who wouldn’t abandon her daughter on a major holiday, let alone spend 3 days out of contact. If he had been a little bit worried about the mother of his child he would have tried to get in touch or report her missing. If her mother hadn’t filed a report what was he going to do - wait until Christmas? Please. The douche killed her.

I think that Kelsey painted a rosier picture of her relationship with this guy than was factual. She had her reasons for doing that.

She did not abandon her baby on Thanksgiving. She made special cinnamon rolls that she shared with her one year old. It is possible that Kelsey got the baby in the morning and the father got the baby in the afternoon. If Kelsey and the baby's father were no longer an item and were just trying to work together to co-parent their baby, Kelsey may have made plans to spend the later part of the day with a new romantic interest. It isn't clear what Kelsey planned to do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that her own mother said that Kelsey had no plans for Thanksgiving. Yet, Kelsey had talked to her mom about a recipe and was seen shopping at the grocery store shortly before she disappeared.

I don't know what happened to Kelsey. It is certainly possible that the father of the baby did something to her. But it's also possible that Kelsey had someone else in her life that she has disappeared with. I agree that it does not seem likely that she would willingly leave her baby like that. I do not think the odds are good that she will be found alive.

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Anonymous wrote:He may have gone to her house, picked up the baby and left. Did he then go to Thanksgiving dinner with his family? Did he go and pick out a Christmas tree?

Maybe Kelsey had plans to have Thanksgiving with somebody else. She made a dish to bring, the person picked her up and took her somewhere.

It does sound as though she wasn't sharing everything about her life with her mom/family. Maybe she had started seeing somebody else and wasn't quite ready to mention that to her mom. It was easier to just leave her mom believing that she was spending the day with the baby's father.

Why would she go to a potluck or to a boyfriemd’s house and abandon her 1-year-old on a day for family and thanks?

Maybe she had the baby with her for Thanksgiving breakfast and made cinnamon rolls to enjoy together. The baby's dad came by to pick the baby up that afternoon and he was going to spend the later part of the day with baby going to dinner at his family's house and possibly picking out a Christmas tree.

It sounds like the dad is as involved a parent as Kelsey is. He probably isn't talking to police or allowing Kelsey's mom to see the baby because he wants to leave the baby with his family if he is taken in for questioning. The baby is used to his own mom and maybe isn't around Kelsey's mom that much.

If he and Kelsey were no longer an item and they were no longer see each other romantically but working together to co-parent...I can see why he might not have been worried when he received a text from her saying that she was going out of town for a little while. If he normally watched the baby during the day, he was used to having the baby with him. He's not acting like the distraught fiance because he and Kelsey were not planning to get married...that had all fizzled out well before she disappeared.

What? This is a ridiculous run-around. No matter their personal relationship this woman seemed like a caring mom who wouldn’t abandon her daughter on a major holiday, let alone spend 3 days out of contact. If he had been a little bit worried about the mother of his child he would have tried to get in touch or report her missing. If her mother hadn’t filed a report what was he going to do - wait until Christmas? Please. The douche killed her.

I thought her mom said that Kelsey had no ties to Idaho.

It's almost like they are purposely trying to put misinformation out there.

Kelsey and the baby's father did not appear to be living/acting like an engaged couple would. That is just my opinion. Of course, everyone's relationship is different so who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I've read reports that aunt is saying she broke up with fiance on Thanksgiving when she dropped daughter off, and that she planned to visit someone in Washington state. If fiance is telling truth maybe she had a new boyfriend. Perhaps he didn't report her missing because she was with new guy and fiance new this and didn't expect to hear from her for a while.

Whoa. Her mom has characterized the relationship between Kelsey and her baby's dad to be a loving one. He has been referred to as her fiancee.

If the family knew that she broke up with the guy why is he still referred to as Kelsey's fiancee. They must have been incompatible to be living in separate homes and passing the baby back and forth the way that they were.

There is a lot about this that doesn't make sense. I totally understand why the family and even the (former?) boyfriend don't necessarily want Kelsey's private business put out there but I just get the feeling there is more to this story than is being shared.

I don't know, but here's the article that quotes the aunt. https://www.thedailybeast.com/kelsey-berreth-police-search-fiances-ranch-in-search-for-missing-colorado-mom

Excerpt:

One of Kelsey’s aunts posted in a Facebook group for truckers, describing Frazee as Kelsey’s “ex,” rather than her fiancé. (When reached by phone this week, the aunt declined to comment.)

“Our niece is missing and has been for a week,” the aunt wrote on Dec. 3. “Her phone was last pinged near Gooding Idaho. She told her ex when she dropped off their baby that she was heading to family in Washington. Please help us get the word out to the truckers in that area last week. If anyone has seen her contact the authorities immediately.”

"She broke up with her ex on Thanksgiving, he said she dropped off the baby and was heading to Soap Lake Washington to visit,” the aunt continued. “No one knew anything about the visit.”


The article also says Kelsey's parents used to live in Washington, but now live in Idaho.

My guess is he is cooperating with the police and he/his mom have given permission to the police to search the property.

I might be wrong, but I think there could be an outside party involved in this. Someone from the flight school?

isn't talking to the press...

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Anonymous wrote:He may have gone to her house, picked up the baby and left. Did he then go to Thanksgiving dinner with his family? Did he go and pick out a Christmas tree?

Maybe Kelsey had plans to have Thanksgiving with somebody else. She made a dish to bring, the person picked her up and took her somewhere.

It does sound as though she wasn't sharing everything about her life with her mom/family. Maybe she had started seeing somebody else and wasn't quite ready to mention that to her mom. It was easier to just leave her mom believing that she was spending the day with the baby's father.

Why would she go to a potluck or to a boyfriemd’s house and abandon her 1-year-old on a day for family and thanks?

Maybe she had the baby with her for Thanksgiving breakfast and made cinnamon rolls to enjoy together. The baby's dad came by to pick the baby up that afternoon and he was going to spend the later part of the day with baby going to dinner at his family's house and possibly picking out a Christmas tree.

It sounds like the dad is as involved a parent as Kelsey is. He probably isn't talking to police or allowing Kelsey's mom to see the baby because he wants to leave the baby with his family if he is taken in for questioning. The baby is used to his own mom and maybe isn't around Kelsey's mom that much.

If he and Kelsey were no longer an item and they were no longer see each other romantically but working together to co-parent...I can see why he might not have been worried when he received a text from her saying that she was going out of town for a little while. If he normally watched the baby during the day, he was used to having the baby with him. He's not acting like the distraught fiance because he and Kelsey were not planning to get married...that had all fizzled out well before she disappeared.

Anonymous wrote:He may have gone to her house, picked up the baby and left. Did he then go to Thanksgiving dinner with his family? Did he go and pick out a Christmas tree?

Maybe Kelsey had plans to have Thanksgiving with somebody else. She made a dish to bring, the person picked her up and took her somewhere.

It does sound as though she wasn't sharing everything about her life with her mom/family. Maybe she had started seeing somebody else and wasn't quite ready to mention that to her mom. It was easier to just leave her mom believing that she was spending the day with the baby's father.

Why would she go to a potluck or to a boyfriemd’s house and abandon her 1-year-old on a day for family and thanks?

He may have gone to her house, picked up the baby and left. Did he then go to Thanksgiving dinner with his family? Did he go and pick out a Christmas tree?

Maybe Kelsey had plans to have Thanksgiving with somebody else. She made a dish to bring, the person picked her up and took her somewhere.

It does sound as though she wasn't sharing everything about her life with her mom/family. Maybe she had started seeing somebody else and wasn't quite ready to mention that to her mom. It was easier to just leave her mom believing that she was spending the day with the baby's father.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the fiance did it. I can't imagine if someone I had a relationship was missing and I didn't have anything to do with it, that I wouldn't be talking to the police and the media. I would be begging, screaming for help to find them. He isn't because he knows she's dead.

His house is on 35 acres. They've been digging it up, which means they do in fact suspect him.

Can you provide a link for the part bonded above?

About 75 law enforcement officials, using backhoes and dogs, scoured the 35-acre ranch near Florissant owned by Patrick Frazee. Frazee’s fiancee, Kelsey Berreth, 29, has been missing since Thanksgiving.

https://www.gazette.com/news/authorities-complete-search-of-kelsey-berreth-s-fiance-s-teller/article_180baae8-0162-11e9-95ac-3ffb0e1626df.amp.html

Anonymous wrote:I think the fiance did it. I can't imagine if someone I had a relationship was missing and I didn't have anything to do with it, that I wouldn't be talking to the police and the media. I would be begging, screaming for help to find them. He isn't because he knows she's dead.

His house is on 35 acres. They've been digging it up, which means they do in fact suspect him.

Can you provide a link for the part bonded above?