Anonymous
10/15/2018 07:34
Subject: Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:“A study of Florida’s past two presidential elections finds that mail ballots were 10 times more likely to be rejected than votes cast at early voting sites or on election day.
The study also found that mail ballots cast by youngest voters, blacks and Hispanics were much more likely to be rejected than mail ballots cast by white voters, and that those voters are less likely to cure problems with their ballots when notified by election supervisors than other voters.”
http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article218654810.html?__twitter_impression=true
It’s odd how it’s the black voter who gets screwed over time and time again.
Anonymous
10/14/2018 23:27
Subject: Voter suppression
“A study of Florida’s past two presidential elections finds that mail ballots were 10 times more likely to be rejected than votes cast at early voting sites or on election day.
The study also found that mail ballots cast by youngest voters, blacks and Hispanics were much more likely to be rejected than mail ballots cast by white voters, and that those voters are less likely to cure problems with their ballots when notified by election supervisors than other voters.”
http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article218654810.html?__twitter_impression=true
The study also found that mail ballots cast by youngest voters, blacks and Hispanics were much more likely to be rejected than mail ballots cast by white voters, and that those voters are less likely to cure problems with their ballots when notified by election supervisors than other voters.”
http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article218654810.html?__twitter_impression=true
Anonymous
10/13/2018 09:55
Subject: Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a Liberal and I want everyone to be given an ID that could be used for voting if you don’t have a drivers license or state ID card, or a passport. I think it would be a great thing for society. However:
1) if you don’t already have an ID, chances are you’re probably pretty poor on the margins of society. So the ID needs to be given for free.
2) voter ID’s are already free in some states, but the underlying documentation like a birth certificate isn’t free and can be difficult for people to get. So a person who doesn’t have that documentation needs to be provided with free legal aid to get it.
3) people need to be able to get it at the places they usually frequent in their own neighborhoods - like grocery stores, churches, K-12 schools and universities, etc. No making inner-city granny or single mom spend their whole day taking 3 buses across town to get to a DMV that’s only open 9-5 during the week. They need to be able to get these ID’s printed at local places.
And this is why IDs are inherently discriminatory (and I know you already know these points):
1) they’re not free
2) birth certificates or other proof can be difficult to get
3) the GOP makes sure to close these reachable offices for maximum difficulty
It is an interesting point however - the people who have the most problem getting birth certificates are older/rural folks (usually rural black voters) who might have been born out of hospital or in a completely different location from where they live now. And who were born in a time before any digital records. I could see a time in the fairly near future where everyone has access to digital records so birth certificates will be much easier to track down. Wonder what the next voter suppression strategy will be after that. Polls only open 9-5 on Election Day? Getting rid of all early voting? Making people re-register after every election? Return of the poll tax? Only half joking about that last one.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 22:06
Subject: Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And, my dh and I have to figure out what to do with all the guns our elderly parents are giving to us.
Between the two families, they have a freaking arsenal, dating back to the post civil war era. None of which have *ever* been licensed.
My dad always bought guns from his friends and paid cash; stopped buying in the 70s. We might just have to call the police and see if they will come out and help us sort through this.
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So yes, these people exist. They are older and live I rural areas.
You are expressing disdain for your own pareunts, simply because they are conservatives.
No, I'm pointing out that the Republicans are the ones who are going to disenfranchise their own voters (and my parents) because they don't believe they exist.
They don't believe people bought guns with just cash back in the 60s, they don't believe a lot of elderly can live without having to throw out an ID to prove something every month.
If I point this out, I'm accused of expressing distain for my parents.
If I try to protect voting rights I'm a "howling lib" who wants illegals to vote. I'm over it at this point.
If Republicans want to disenfranchise their own voters, they are in charge of all three branches of government and can do it. Only other Republicans can stop them.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 21:58
Subject: Re:Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:My elderly parents have never used ID for most of this, they started everything back in the 1950s and never changed a thing. No rent, they own their house. They never file for unemployment, they never buy alcohol or cigarettes. They have never moved once since the bought their house 60 years ago. They are elderly, they don't travel. They had a library card since the 60s. Libraries use bills or mail for confirmation as well.
And, they don't use Medicare? Collect Social Security?
Neither of our dad's. They were old school civil service employees and received their federal pensions in place of social security and federal health insurance instead of medicare. It does cause confusion. Once upon a time you received a federal pension or social security, but not both. One cannot do this anymore, but they are both WWII verterans and lifelong feds til retirement in the 1980s. Still vote, in their 90s. Lifelong Republicans.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 21:36
Subject: Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:I’m a Liberal and I want everyone to be given an ID that could be used for voting if you don’t have a drivers license or state ID card, or a passport. I think it would be a great thing for society. However:
1) if you don’t already have an ID, chances are you’re probably pretty poor on the margins of society. So the ID needs to be given for free.
2) voter ID’s are already free in some states, but the underlying documentation like a birth certificate isn’t free and can be difficult for people to get. So a person who doesn’t have that documentation needs to be provided with free legal aid to get it.
3) people need to be able to get it at the places they usually frequent in their own neighborhoods - like grocery stores, churches, K-12 schools and universities, etc. No making inner-city granny or single mom spend their whole day taking 3 buses across town to get to a DMV that’s only open 9-5 during the week. They need to be able to get these ID’s printed at local places.
And this is why IDs are inherently discriminatory (and I know you already know these points):
1) they’re not free
2) birth certificates or other proof can be difficult to get
3) the GOP makes sure to close these reachable offices for maximum difficulty
Anonymous
10/12/2018 21:08
Subject: Voter suppression
I’m a Liberal and I want everyone to be given an ID that could be used for voting if you don’t have a drivers license or state ID card, or a passport. I think it would be a great thing for society. However:
1) if you don’t already have an ID, chances are you’re probably pretty poor on the margins of society. So the ID needs to be given for free.
2) voter ID’s are already free in some states, but the underlying documentation like a birth certificate isn’t free and can be difficult for people to get. So a person who doesn’t have that documentation needs to be provided with free legal aid to get it.
3) people need to be able to get it at the places they usually frequent in their own neighborhoods - like grocery stores, churches, K-12 schools and universities, etc. No making inner-city granny or single mom spend their whole day taking 3 buses across town to get to a DMV that’s only open 9-5 during the week. They need to be able to get these ID’s printed at local places.
1) if you don’t already have an ID, chances are you’re probably pretty poor on the margins of society. So the ID needs to be given for free.
2) voter ID’s are already free in some states, but the underlying documentation like a birth certificate isn’t free and can be difficult for people to get. So a person who doesn’t have that documentation needs to be provided with free legal aid to get it.
3) people need to be able to get it at the places they usually frequent in their own neighborhoods - like grocery stores, churches, K-12 schools and universities, etc. No making inner-city granny or single mom spend their whole day taking 3 buses across town to get to a DMV that’s only open 9-5 during the week. They need to be able to get these ID’s printed at local places.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 21:06
Subject: Re:Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again, there are many people who never do those things for any number of reasons: they may have a spouse or family member who does most of the logistics of their lives, and they may not have adequate transportation themselves. Many people are dependent on a family member but this does not mean that they should not be allowed to vote.
No. There are not "many people" like this.
You don't get out much. Yes, yes there are.
And why would the Supreme Court say that native americans in North Dakota cannot use PO boxes, common in rural areas, for their voter registrations? That is totally discriminatory.
It was stated they could use a common address. People in rural areas have addresses but no mail service.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 20:16
Subject: Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:And, my dh and I have to figure out what to do with all the guns our elderly parents are giving to us.
Between the two families, they have a freaking arsenal, dating back to the post civil war era. None of which have *ever* been licensed.
My dad always bought guns from his friends and paid cash; stopped buying in the 70s. We might just have to call the police and see if they will come out and help us sort through this.
So yes, these people exist. They are older and live I rural areas.
You are expressing disdain for your own parents, simply because they are conservatives.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 20:14
Subject: Re:Voter suppression
My elderly parents have never used ID for most of this, they started everything back in the 1950s and never changed a thing. No rent, they own their house. They never file for unemployment, they never buy alcohol or cigarettes. They have never moved once since the bought their house 60 years ago. They are elderly, they don't travel. They had a library card since the 60s. Libraries use bills or mail for confirmation as well.
And, they don't use Medicare? Collect Social Security?
Anonymous
10/12/2018 20:05
Subject: Voter suppression
And, my dh and I have to figure out what to do with all the guns our elderly parents are giving to us.
Between the two families, they have a freaking arsenal, dating back to the post civil war era. None of which have *ever* been licensed.
My dad always bought guns from his friends and paid cash; stopped buying in the 70s. We might just have to call the police and see if they will come out and help us sort through this.
So yes, these people exist. They are older and live I rural areas.
Between the two families, they have a freaking arsenal, dating back to the post civil war era. None of which have *ever* been licensed.
My dad always bought guns from his friends and paid cash; stopped buying in the 70s. We might just have to call the police and see if they will come out and help us sort through this.
So yes, these people exist. They are older and live I rural areas.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 20:00
Subject: Re:Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again, there are many people who never do those things for any number of reasons: they may have a spouse or family member who does most of the logistics of their lives, and they may not have adequate transportation themselves. Many people are dependent on a family member but this does not mean that they should not be allowed to vote.
No. There are not "many people" like this.
You don't get out much. Yes, yes there are.
And why would the Supreme Court say that native americans in North Dakota cannot use PO boxes, common in rural areas, for their voter registrations? That is totally discriminatory.
Yes, BILLIONS of americans live like this despite the patriot act requiring ID for things that never required IDs before.
They never open checking accounts!
They never buy perscription medicine, or even over the counter cold medicine!
They never buy a house or rent from a landlord who performs a background check!
They never rent a hotel room!
They never purchase alcohol or tobacco!
They never fly!
They never cash a check or wire money!
They never purchase a cell phone!
They never apply for a library card, register a pet, purchase a firearm, apply for a hunting license!
They never go to the social security office, apply for medicare, medicaid, food stamps, TANF, or other social programs (that require ID)!
They never file for unemployment!
They never donate blood to the red cross!
Billions must be participating in the underground economy and never have applied for a job that requires ID, or never ever interact with the local, state, or federal government in any way! They can fully participate in modern life and claim all the benefits to which they are entitled!
Not if they are older.
I've never been asked for an I'd to pick up my prescription.
My elderly parents have never used ID for most of this, they started everything back in the 1950s and never changed a thing. No rent, they own their house. They never file for unemployment, they never buy alcohol or cigarettes. They have never moved once since the bought their house 60 years ago. They are elderly, they don't travel. They had a library card since the 60s. Libraries use bills or mail for confirmation as well.
I've never had a cell phone that required ID, I mean wtf?
I charge it to my card and have it shipped. No ID required. I'm in my 40s and opened credit card accounts years ago without ID. Almost no one asks me for ID when I buy alcohol, I look like their mama.
I have ID, of course, and have moved around a lot so needed it.
But lots of rural poor and elderly may not. And they definitely use PO Boxes instead of their rural house address at times.
This may disenfranchise some poor liberals, but many many more poor conservatives. Republicans should be careful what they wish for. If you live in a city or large metro area, you are going to need an ID much more than in a rural town--where everyone knows who you are, knows who your mama is, and never needs to check ID, even if it's technically required. They all know how old you are and where you live.
Anonymous
10/12/2018 19:13
Subject: Re:Voter suppression
https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/12/stacey-abrams-georgia-illegal-voters/
Not to mention the "undocumented voters."
Not to mention the "undocumented voters."
Anonymous
10/12/2018 18:36
Subject: Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Voter registration requirements are one big voter suppression scam.
You mean like being a citizen and proving your ID? Sounds like common sense to me.[/quote
Agreed.
1. Why don't Liberals want every American to be given a voter ID?
2. Why do Liberals want Russians voting in our elections?
Anyone?
Anonymous
10/12/2018 18:29
Subject: Re:Voter suppression
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again, there are many people who never do those things for any number of reasons: they may have a spouse or family member who does most of the logistics of their lives, and they may not have adequate transportation themselves. Many people are dependent on a family member but this does not mean that they should not be allowed to vote.
No. There are not "many people" like this.
You don't get out much. Yes, yes there are.
And why would the Supreme Court say that native americans in North Dakota cannot use PO boxes, common in rural areas, for their voter registrations? That is totally discriminatory.
Yes, BILLIONS of americans live like this despite the patriot act requiring ID for things that never required IDs before.
They never open checking accounts!
They never buy perscription medicine, or even over the counter cold medicine!
They never buy a house or rent from a landlord who performs a background check!
They never rent a hotel room!
They never purchase alcohol or tobacco!
They never fly!
They never cash a check or wire money!
They never purchase a cell phone!
They never apply for a library card, register a pet, purchase a firearm, apply for a hunting license!
They never go to the social security office, apply for medicare, medicaid, food stamps, TANF, or other social programs (that require ID)!
They never file for unemployment!
They never donate blood to the red cross!
Billions must be participating in the underground economy and never have applied for a job that requires ID, or never ever interact with the local, state, or federal government in any way! They can fully participate in modern life and claim all the benefits to which they are entitled!