Anonymous wrote:That's evidence of intent and violation of classified rules right there by Hillary (strip the classification headers and send it over an open line).

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Nope. Their texts and conversations in no way deny that the FBI took repeated actions that hurt Clinton and protected Trump. On the other hand, the anti-Clinton agents in New York not only had biases, but acted on those biases to also hurt Clinton.

Anonymous wrote:No. I am saying that throughout the investigation of Manafort, we have not learned of any of his interactions with Russia that related to Trump or his campaign. They were for personal gain and prior to and separate from Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I can name several actions, and have already, that raise a lot of suspicion about whether or not there was a valid reason to start investigating Trump for colluding with Russia. And that's what matters at this point, because the election is long over, yet the quest to find evidence of the Trump campaign's collusion carry on and on. It began on bogus grounds.

The investigation into the Trump campaign absolutely did not begin on bogus grounds. You have to be willfully ignorant of a considerable number of facts to suggest as much. You have Manafort who has committed an laundry list of crimes involving Russians and pro-Russia Ukrainians acting as campaign manager, George Papadopoulos drunkenly telling an Australian diplomat that the Russians have the DNC's emails, and a host of contacts between campaign officials and Russian intelligence figures. The FBI would have been delinquent not to investigate.

Also, keep in mind that the IG report was about the Clinton email investigation, not the Trump investigation. So, you are actually going off-topic.

Nothing that Manafort is in jail for relates to or shows any link to anything he did while working for Trump for 49 days. Many people believe that the Papadopoulos situation was a setup to create a reason.

And like another pp said, many of the same cast of characters worked on both the Hillary investigation and the Russia investigation, namely Strzok. They are intertwined.

So you are saying that Manafort, despite a history of criminal activities involving Russians or pro-Russian Ukrainians and working for free for Trump, should not have been investigated for ties to Russia? You guys keep bringing up that Manafort has not yet been charge ed with a crime committed during the 144 days (you don't count very well either) that he worked for Trump. BTW, that included managing the convention at which the Republican platform dealing with Ukraine was watered in a manner desired by Russia. This is a standard prosecutorial tactic. Even Republican Trey Gowdy agrees that the FBI was correct to open an investigation (but, of course that earned him RINO status despite his years of investigating Clinton).

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Anonymous wrote:These politically biased FBI agents so clearly had a hand in the election. Thank you for admitting that the FBI is not above reproach and accepting that Americans questioning their trickery and lack of professionalism is NOT what has caused their reputation to be tarnished. What is pertinent now that the election is in the past is how that political bias led to the beginning of the Mueller investigation on false pretenses. That is what needs to be sorted out.

Moderate PP here. I don’t believe that the FBI, or any of our constitutional structure is the problem. The problem reside with those public officers entrusted with the duty of service to American citizens. Corruption and political corruption is serious. That’s why this is so important to see objectively. It is a critical time for everyone in the world.

I don’t follow your logic at all with there to be no need for an investigation. Trump had a long history, back to the 80s and 90s. The idea of him being on the government’s radar seems likely. He had Russian investors for his commercial properties and golf courses, a lot of social connection with ethically controversial figures, and tip toed around public office for years. His multiple bankruptcies surely exploited the spirit of the court system behind it. There were sexual harassment, discrimination, and lawsuits against him for things from contractor work, Miss USA, educational programs don’t scratch the surface.i find his history of personal and professional behavior to be a pretense. Stormy Daniel, Kim Jong Un - he is like the taz maniac devil! He allows strong economic returns for a wealthy class, so there are others that have incentive for his success, and turn a blind eye to the corruption. And in doing so, become a part of it.

Absolutely nothing you just laid out that is unrelated to Russian collusion has a thing to do with the investigation. Has Mueller been tasked with finding anything he can on Trump to get him removed from office? Was Mueller told to go back to the 80s to see what he can find relating to Miss USA, sexual harassment and discrimination? You are misinformed. Trump's personal and professional behavior for the past 40 years, or the fact that you dislike him, is not subject to investigation as grounds for removal or impeachment.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump was elected precisely because the American public is stupid.

No. Trump was elected because Hillary Rodham Clinton thinks the American public is stupid.

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The reason Trump was elected was because the American public isn't stupid. They knew something was up re: Clinton and did not like the way this country was headed. It wasn't for lack of effort, trust me. They put a lot of disinformation out there and when it didn't work, executed their next set of plans.

The fact is, Strzok was in this up to his eyeballs, from the Hillary email issues to the FISA warrant(s) to the Dossier to the interviewing of Flynn. That's what makes his texts so troubling.

Any impression among the American public that something was up with Clinton was certainly bolstered by Comey's various actions, especially his last minute revelation about Weiner's laptop. That was triggered by leaks coming from anti-Clinton FBI agents. Regardless of Strzok's personal feelings, he did not leak anything about the Trump investigation. Could you imagine if a week before the election, rather than revealing Weiner's laptop, Comey had announced that Trump was being investigated for collision with Russia? If Comey and the FBI were really pro-Clinton, that is what would have happened.

It's not just Strzok's personal feelings. It's also agent's #1, #2, #5, page, McCabe and of course, didn't Comey tell everyone he nearly cried tears when meeting with president Obama? Get real.

Your position is that all these folks were completely in the bag for Clinton, yet took multiple actions to hurt her campaign while completely protecting Trump?

Except their texts and conversations say otherwise.

Nope. Their texts and conversations in no way deny that the FBI took repeated actions that hurt Clinton and protected Trump. On the other hand, the anti-Clinton agents in New York not only had biases, but acted on those biases to also hurt Clinton.

Hilarious how you claim "whistleblower" status for this but with the leaks coming out of the White House you cry foul. Why aren't those considered whistleblowing?

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Again, the New York office leaked to Nunes and Giuliani

Not a leak--a whistleblower. Don't know about the leak to Giuliani. The NYPD also knew, according to reports.

But, again, Weiner's computer should have been claimed as evidence long before the NYPD found the pedophilia communications. All computers used by Huma should have been searched long before summer of 2016. Please remember, Mills was also able to control her computer. Why?

Anonymous wrote:Trump was elected precisely because the American public is stupid.

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The reason Trump was elected was because the American public isn't stupid. They knew something was up re: Clinton and did not like the way this country was headed. It wasn't for lack of effort, trust me. They put a lot of disinformation out there and when it didn't work, executed their next set of plans.

The fact is, Strzok was in this up to his eyeballs, from the Hillary email issues to the FISA warrant(s) to the Dossier to the interviewing of Flynn. That's what makes his texts so troubling.

Any impression among the American public that something was up with Clinton was certainly bolstered by Comey's various actions, especially his last minute revelation about Weiner's laptop. That was triggered by leaks coming from anti-Clinton FBI agents. Regardless of Strzok's personal feelings, he did not leak anything about the Trump investigation. Could you imagine if a week before the election, rather than revealing Weiner's laptop, Comey had announced that Trump was being investigated for collision with Russia? If Comey and the FBI were really pro-Clinton, that is what would have happened.

It's not just Strzok's personal feelings. It's also agent's #1, #2, #5, page, McCabe and of course, didn't Comey tell everyone he nearly cried tears when meeting with president Obama? Get real.

Your position is that all these folks were completely in the bag for Clinton, yet took multiple actions to hurt her campaign while completely protecting Trump?

Except their texts and conversations say otherwise.

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The reason Trump was elected was because the American public isn't stupid. They knew something was up re: Clinton and did not like the way this country was headed. It wasn't for lack of effort, trust me. They put a lot of disinformation out there and when it didn't work, executed their next set of plans.

The fact is, Strzok was in this up to his eyeballs, from the Hillary email issues to the FISA warrant(s) to the Dossier to the interviewing of Flynn. That's what makes his texts so troubling.

Any impression among the American public that something was up with Clinton was certainly bolstered by Comey's various actions, especially his last minute revelation about Weiner's laptop. That was triggered by leaks coming from anti-Clinton FBI agents. Regardless of Strzok's personal feelings, he did not leak anything about the Trump investigation. Could you imagine if a week before the election, rather than revealing Weiner's laptop, Comey had announced that Trump was being investigated for collision with Russia? If Comey and the FBI were really pro-Clinton, that is what would have happened.