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Anonymous wrote:I moved here a few years ago from NC. From that perspective, UVA is a perfectly respectable college, but kids aren’t lining up to apply unless their parents is an alum. UNC will get you basically the same thing for instate tuition, but is much, much easier to get into, because it caps OOS admission at less than 20%. UVA is considered on par with Wake Forest, which has been very close to it (within 1-2 spots) in US News rankings for a while. Similar vibe— southern, somewhat conservative, strong Greek scene, does well by pre-professionals and WASPs. But most kids making this choice figure if they aren’t going to get instate tuition from UVA, they may as well go to UNC if they want a big state U or Wake Forest if they want a similar social scene but smaller classes and more resources.

So OOS, in your next door neighbor state (and not CA), the reputation is that it is a good school. It attracts smart, accomplished kids, and many of them will go on to do impressive things. But not worth the tuition OOS, given the NC options. It is very definitely not thought of as an ivy equivalent school. In fact, WM is the VA school that high achieving OOS kids in NC apply to, not UVA. Probably because WM gives them something UNC can’t. Until I. Iced here it would never have dawned on me that UVA would be considered more prestigious than WM.

Now, I’m a lawyer, and the UVA law school has a great reputation. Getting in as an OOS student is considered to be very impressive, and a UVA law degree is prestigious. Not ivy level It won’t get you a SCOTUS clerkship. But, one step down, and it will get you looked at seriously by most major firms.

Don’t know enough about the other grad programs enough to comment, except to say the OOS UVA is considered to be less prestigious than VT in engineering.

And i have no skin in this game yet. I am not an alum of these school, and don’t have a kid old enough to be seriously considering one. That’s just the general thoughts from a neighboring state.

BTW— Pomona, CM, Mudd— amazing schools. I would love to send a kid there someday. Sadly, will probably be priced out, even if they could get in.

Well, smarty pants, here’s the thing: UVA law grads do in fact get Supreme Court clerkships. I know several of them personally. Beyond that, of course it makes little sense for a North Carolina resident to pay out of state tuition to go to UVA when they could go to UNC. UNC is one of the best public universities in the country, just behind UVA.

And UVA is definitely more highly regarded than wake forest.

Anonymous wrote:I moved here a few years ago from NC. From that perspective, UVA is a perfectly respectable college, but kids aren’t lining up to apply unless their parents is an alum. UNC will get you basically the same thing for instate tuition, but is much, much easier to get into, because it caps OOS admission at less than 20%. UVA is considered on par with Wake Forest, which has been very close to it (within 1-2 spots) in US News rankings for a while. Similar vibe— southern, somewhat conservative, strong Greek scene, does well by pre-professionals and WASPs. But most kids making this choice figure if they aren’t going to get instate tuition from UVA, they may as well go to UNC if they want a big state U or Wake Forest if they want a similar social scene but smaller classes and more resources.

So OOS, in your next door neighbor state (and not CA), the reputation is that it is a good school. It attracts smart, accomplished kids, and many of them will go on to do impressive things. But not worth the tuition OOS, given the NC options. It is very definitely not thought of as an ivy equivalent school. In fact, WM is the VA school that high achieving OOS kids in NC apply to, not UVA. Probably because WM gives them something UNC can’t. Until I. Iced here it would never have dawned on me that UVA would be considered more prestigious than WM.

Now, I’m a lawyer, and the UVA law school has a great reputation. Getting in as an OOS student is considered to be very impressive, and a UVA law degree is prestigious. Not ivy level It won’t get you a SCOTUS clerkship. But, one step down, and it will get you looked at seriously by most major firms.

Don’t know enough about the other grad programs enough to comment, except to say the OOS UVA is considered to be less prestigious than VT in engineering.

And i have no skin in this game yet. I am not an alum of these school, and don’t have a kid old enough to be seriously considering one. That’s just the general thoughts from a neighboring state.

BTW— Pomona, CM, Mudd— amazing schools. I would love to send a kid there someday. Sadly, will probably be priced out, even if they could get in.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is only regionally known. So no, not prestigious.

+1 that's really all that needs to be said. End of thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't consider any southern colleges to be "prestigious" OP, so no.

Duke?
Rice?

Anonymous wrote:Actually there are some (many people in NOVA perhaps) that want to pick a school based on "prestige." These are people who are maybe new to the USA who aren't necessarily familiar with the various colleges but want their kid to go to a "prestigious" college. It's an honest question. Sounds like a mixed bag of responses; some say yes, others say it's good but not necessarily "prestigious."

I am one who thinks you need to separate UVA's quality of undergraduate education from the reputation of the business school and law school.

Anonymous wrote:UVA is only regionally known. So no, not prestigious.

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate teaching ranking is a product of a peer survey to college presidents, provosts and admissions deans. Does anyone really believe these people have a clue about what’s going on in classrooms at other colleges? Get serious. Of all the rankings I rank this one as dead last.

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate teaching ranking is a product of a peer survey to college presidents, provosts and admissions deans. Does anyone really believe these people have a clue about what’s going on in classrooms at other colleges? Get serious. Of all the rankings I rank this one as dead last.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching

It's ranked the 11th best public school for undergraduate education.

? Are we looking at the same list? I see William and Mary at #7; I don't see UVA anywhere.

You need to keep scrolling.

how far?

to #17...

Got it. Thank-you. Well, that's really not in the top 5 like someone above claimed now is it?

The overall USNews undergraduate ranking does have UVA top 5 for public schools, I believe. (The top of the rankings are dominated by private schools.) I think it is currently 3. The teaching quality ranking, rightly or wrongly, is a secondary rating. (One could argue that most of the USNews ranking criteria may really have nothing to do with quality of undergraduate education.)

? Pay attention. The discussion above showed that UVA is #17 among national universities for undergraduate teaching.
As for "teaching quality" being a "secondary" rating, I don't know your reason for sending you kid to college but right now I'm only interested in the quality of undergraduate education -- not the reputation of the business school or Law School.

The point stands. In the primary USNews ranking of national undergraduate universities, UVA is 3rd behind Berkeley and UCLA. The quality of teaching ranking is separate and does not feed the overall rating.