Anonymous wrote:This thread came to mind when reading the article below.

http://fox2now.com/2018/05/30/stop-bizarrely-lenient-attitude-toward-disciplining-children-teachers-open-letter-strikes-a-nerve/

It's an interesting article. I think these discipline issues are hard because good discipline practices are not one-size-fits-all and zero tolerance. But sometimes kids do clearly need to be called on their antics. We shouldn't punish kids for not doing things they actually can't do - but it's hard to know the line between can't and won't and just aren't. Good discipline practices require relationship, connection, high expectations, and, at times, forgiveness. I don't know. My kids are young and save their best behavior for school. If I saw and elementary school kids having a tantrum at school - flailing, hitting, spitting, cursing - I would wonder what's going on in that kid's life. Middle schoolers and high schoolers can be different. My sister spent a couple years as a middle school teacher. She actually really liked the kids and their age/developmental stage, but she did not get support from the administration on behavioral issues. The kids would accuse her of things she hadn't done, and the admins would not back her up on as simple a discipline request as requiring that everyone help clean up the classroom at the end of the period (it was art). Kids were complaining that she was making them clean up stuff that they had not individually used, and the administration could not get behind a simple rule that we all help clean up the classroom at the end of the period! How is a teacher supposed to make sure that they know exactly what materials/supplies each of 30 students used so that they only ask them to clean up what they themselves actually used. It was ridiculous. She went back to elementary school and is much happier.

This thread came to mind when reading the article below.

http://fox2now.com/2018/05/30/stop-bizarrely-lenient-attitude-toward-disciplining-children-teachers-open-letter-strikes-a-nerve/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had one tell us to call the police next time instead of calling them because they don't have time to deal with it and if it happens during school hours then it's our problem. This is for a 3rd grader who clearly needs more help than we can provide at the school level, and we can't force the parent to access mental health services.

Can someone call CPS? Since obviously the parent is not fulfilling the duties of a parent, and someone might get hurt as a result?

If this child has mental health problems then it is the school's problem to place him in a safe environment and provide him with the services he needs to access the curriculum. Here the parent is right.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had one tell us to call the police next time instead of calling them because they don't have time to deal with it and if it happens during school hours then it's our problem. This is for a 3rd grader who clearly needs more help than we can provide at the school level, and we can't force the parent to access mental health services.

Can someone call CPS? Since obviously the parent is not fulfilling the duties of a parent, and someone might get hurt as a result?

If this child has mental health problems then it is the school's problem to place him in a safe environment and provide him with the services he needs to access the curriculum. Here the parent is right.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had one tell us to call the police next time instead of calling them because they don't have time to deal with it and if it happens during school hours then it's our problem. This is for a 3rd grader who clearly needs more help than we can provide at the school level, and we can't force the parent to access mental health services.

Can someone call CPS? Since obviously the parent is not fulfilling the duties of a parent, and someone might get hurt as a result?

CPS cannot do anything until the kid actually gets hurt.

Anonymous wrote:What can be done with these kids who hit, kick and curse out staff on a regular basis? Is expulsion an option? Can the school or county force these kids into alternative schools?

Nothing!

We have had several incidents of this just this year at our ES. As young as third grade, and also in 4th and 5th.

It’s crazy and I feel terrible for the other kids in the classroom. Normally the kid gets sent to the office but is back in class the next day.

Consider yourself lucky if you have not had to deal with this yet at your kids’ school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had one tell us to call the police next time instead of calling them because they don't have time to deal with it and if it happens during school hours then it's our problem. This is for a 3rd grader who clearly needs more help than we can provide at the school level, and we can't force the parent to access mental health services.

Can someone call CPS? Since obviously the parent is not fulfilling the duties of a parent, and someone might get hurt as a result?

They can’t force the parent to do anything either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had one tell us to call the police next time instead of calling them because they don't have time to deal with it and if it happens during school hours then it's our problem. This is for a 3rd grader who clearly needs more help than we can provide at the school level, and we can't force the parent to access mental health services.

Can someone call CPS? Since obviously the parent is not fulfilling the duties of a parent, and someone might get hurt as a result?

CPS is a joke.

Anonymous wrote:We had one tell us to call the police next time instead of calling them because they don't have time to deal with it and if it happens during school hours then it's our problem. This is for a 3rd grader who clearly needs more help than we can provide at the school level, and we can't force the parent to access mental health services.

Can someone call CPS? Since obviously the parent is not fulfilling the duties of a parent, and someone might get hurt as a result?