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Anonymous wrote: There’s Absolutely no basis that Beauvoir kids are less bad which yes is still terrible. This is just the most ridiculous thread I think I’ve ever read on DCM. It’s sad because the people who are making the argument against Beauvoir kids come across as mean, stunted, and stupid.

So your contention is that academic achievement of applicants through 3rd grade is just as or more predictive of future success as those of applicants through 8th grade?

NP - what a stupid question.

While competition for 9th grade admission is fierce, that's because the education at STA is rather good. Most 9th grade applicants are coming from K-8s or pubic schools or non-Big 3 K-12s. The number of 9th grade applicants from Sidwell or GDS to NC/STA is vanishingly small.

So what do you think STA does with the boys between C Form and 9th? Have them twiddle their thumbs? No, they're given a first-class education, and while some will be brighter than others, the ones who are selected can handle the rigor. Those who can't are counseled out at Beauvoir, in 3rd grade. Will all Beauvoir kids be as strong as the top kids who enter in 9th? No. But many of them will be -- and have had the benefit of several prior years of an STA education.

The majority of kids at STA are Beauvoir kids. Simple fact. They are disproportionately well represented on most Prize Days, and with regard to elite college admissions.

Make of that what you will.

Anonymous wrote: There’s Absolutely no basis that Beauvoir kids are less bad which yes is still terrible. This is just the most ridiculous thread I think I’ve ever read on DCM. It’s sad because the people who are making the argument against Beauvoir kids come across as mean, stunted, and stupid.

So your contention is that academic achievement of applicants through 3rd grade is just as or more predictive of future success as those of applicants through 8th grade?

There’s Absolutely no basis that Beauvoir kids are less bad which yes is still terrible. This is just the most ridiculous thread I think I’ve ever read on DCM. It’s sad because the people who are making the argument against Beauvoir kids come across as mean, stunted, and stupid.

Anonymous wrote:On average, who is likely to be better academically, an admit to any PK/K-12 who enters at 9th grade from a different school, or one who started at that school in K or PK? If it's apparent a child is not a good fit, academically or otherwise, for STA in 3rd grade (even if coming from BVR), they won't get in.

The one that enters at 9th grade. Do you think the Cathedral schools are different in this regard?

And who said that STA students coming from BVR are bad academically? They can still be good, just not as good as those coming from other schools, on average. Why is that so controversial? And I don't get why some people on DCUM automatically make the leap from "less good = bad." That's a terrible assumption.

WTF? Do you really think anybody on this forum is qualified to answer that question? Only a small handful of ninth graders are non-Beauvoir kids. Look at how many Beauvoir kids go to great colleges. This whole entire thread is the stupidest thing ever

Anonymous wrote:On average, who is likely to be better academically, a STA/NCS HS student who entered at 9th grade from a non-Cathedral school, or one who started at Beauvoir?

On average, who is likely to be better academically, an admit to any PK/K-12 who enters at 9th grade from a different school, or one who started at that school in K or PK? If it's apparent a child is not a good fit, academically or otherwise, for STA in 3rd grade (even if coming from BVR), they won't get in. If you want your child to end up at STA in 9th grade, try to get them into Beauvoir, or marry a man who is an alum, and they will have the best chance of entry at 4th grade. Try to stop ranking, comparing, and criticizing kids so much, also.

On average, who is likely to be better academically, a STA/NCS HS student who entered at 9th grade from a non-Cathedral school, or one who started at Beauvoir?

Anonymous wrote:...since intelligence is about 50% inherited....

But the BVR kids may only have one parent with decent IQ - I see those who are in NCS. Then how do you expect the kids' IQ to be? Remember what Obama said: if you marry someone who is smarter than you, you have kids who are likely smarter than you. Vice versa.

Yeah, lots of dumb SAHM kids.

Not the poster whom you are mocking but for reals? Questioning the intelligence of a whole school and the kids parents? Put down your crack pipe and/or reconsider micro-dosing so early in morning. Insane, mean, small minded people! Way to get off on putting children down. Almost farcical

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Isn’t it generally acknowledged that the brightest kids in the graduating class enter in 9th grade at STA and NCS? BVR kids are usually in the bottom half? NMSFs and cum laude very rarely BVR kids, I think.

No.

Well, admissions are very competitive in 9th, so you’re going to see some bright students enter then.

However, the flaw in your logic is assuming that Beauvoir children aren’t bright and are admitted only on the basis of wealth. While there a few families with inherited wealth at Beauvoir, most have earned their own way and the parents are fairly bright people. It’s not altogether surprising that bright people would have bright children, since intelligence is about 50% inherited. As for the nurture part of the equation, most Beauvoir parents have the resources to nurture their children rather well. So why would it surprise anyone that Beauvoir kids would go on to excel at NCS/STA?

LOL

Wow, what an intellectual heavyweight! Such incisive arguments! Amazingly trenchant insights!

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Isn’t it generally acknowledged that the brightest kids in the graduating class enter in 9th grade at STA and NCS? BVR kids are usually in the bottom half? NMSFs and cum laude very rarely BVR kids, I think.

No.

Well, admissions are very competitive in 9th, so you’re going to see some bright students enter then.

However, the flaw in your logic is assuming that Beauvoir children aren’t bright and are admitted only on the basis of wealth. While there a few families with inherited wealth at Beauvoir, most have earned their own way and the parents are fairly bright people. It’s not altogether surprising that bright people would have bright children, since intelligence is about 50% inherited. As for the nurture part of the equation, most Beauvoir parents have the resources to nurture their children rather well. So why would it surprise anyone that Beauvoir kids would go on to excel at NCS/STA?

LOL

Anonymous wrote:...since intelligence is about 50% inherited....

But the BVR kids may only have one parent with decent IQ - I see those who are in NCS. Then how do you expect the kids' IQ to be? Remember what Obama said: if you marry someone who is smarter than you, you have kids who are likely smarter than you. Vice versa.

Oh, my. Genetics is much more complicated than that, and intelligence is probably one of the most complex of heritable traits. It might be possible that your kids are smarter, or not. Nurture and other intangible qualities — curiosity, perseverance, creativity, and more —will all play a role in how intelligent a child is. Further, there are many different kinds of intelligence, other than that measured by the Stanford-Binet or other IQ tests, as Howard Gardner’s work suggests.

...since intelligence is about 50% inherited....

But the BVR kids may only have one parent with decent IQ - I see those who are in NCS. Then how do you expect the kids' IQ to be? Remember what Obama said: if you marry someone who is smarter than you, you have kids who are likely smarter than you. Vice versa.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Isn’t it generally acknowledged that the brightest kids in the graduating class enter in 9th grade at STA and NCS? BVR kids are usually in the bottom half? NMSFs and cum laude very rarely BVR kids, I think.

No.

Well, admissions are very competitive in 9th, so you’re going to see some bright students enter then.

However, the flaw in your logic is assuming that Beauvoir children aren’t bright and are admitted only on the basis of wealth. While there a few families with inherited wealth at Beauvoir, most have earned their own way and the parents are fairly bright people. It’s not altogether surprising that bright people would have bright children, since intelligence is about 50% inherited. As for the nurture part of the equation, most Beauvoir parents have the resources to nurture their children rather well. So why would it surprise anyone that Beauvoir kids would go on to excel at NCS/STA?

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Anonymous wrote:The book award in our grade normally goes to a beauvoir boy and most of the kids that get academic prizes are from beauvoir.

It's possible for Beauvoir grads to have very strong individual students but be weaker in the aggregate than those entering the Cathedral schools in 4th grade from other parts of the area. Not contradictory at all.

Define “weaker.” Beauvoir math emphasizes problem-solving and conceptual understanding, so they do not emphasize computation or rote learning. If you place a Beauvoir 3rd grader against a Sidwell 3rd grader, the Beauvoir child might seem to be “weaker.” However, the Beauvoir child will excel at conceptual and critical thinking as well as problem-solving. Beauvoir children is also very strong at teaching children how to learn and to enjoy the process. That has made the tuition worth it for us.

Stay in your lane. It's pretty obvious you are unfamiliar with sidwell lower school

Or any school. This is how math is taught pretty much everywhere, including public schools (in fact, it's the basis of common core math standards, which is why CC haters hate it -- the haters love rote learning).

There is a matter of degree. No, public schools do not teach math conceptually the way it’s taught at Beauvoir. The reason why a lot of people hate the way math is taught in public schools is because it’s taught so badly.