^^^ that comment was not directed to actual neo-Nazis and alt-right types. They are less than 1% of the population! No, Hillary initially said "half" of trump supporters are deplorable, and then backed off when the $hit hit the fan. What idiot craps all over the biggest voting bloc in America and then expects to win?

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Anonymous wrote:This is about trumps base not anyone or thing else. When u cant argue the facts attack the other side. How typical. The fact remains that his base is made up of people who watch hannity and believe the crap he spews, they listen to limbaugh levine and savage and revel in the hate these monsters dish out to these fools everyday. Fu

Were you the one who told Hillary to call us deplorable?

Sounds like it.

You really don't understand that it was your side that caused us to vote for Trump. There are plenty of people who voted for Trump because of Hillary. You seriously cannot understand that?

It's not because we loved Trump--DH and I were appalled at him when he won the nomination. However, we were more appalled at Hillary. We still are.

As for Trump--I hate his style. However, I like much of what he is accomplishing. Do I like everything he does? NO. But, the choice was clear to me. Hillary made a mess of everything she ever touched.

Voting is about choices. You cannot separate them. And, I do not think you have any idea of what Trump's base is. I'm not sure I do. Is it those who voted for him? Is it those at the rallies? Is it those who held their noses and voted for him? Is it those who support him because of the good things he is accomplishing?
Right now, I would vote for him again. If Mueller comes up with something on collusion, then I won't have to do so. One thing for sure, I like him better than the alternatives that are currently being presented by the Dems.

You should be embarrassed for your total and complete lack of thought. It’s shocking, really. My side didn’t cause you to vote for anyone; that was your own biases and bigotry. And Hillary's deploreables comment not only pales in comparison to what Donald tweets on a daily basis (though that somehow doesn’t bother you), but also it was a binary. Not every Trump voter was a deplorable, just those who espoused Nazi views, anti-Muslim views. Whatever your news sources are, I’d replace them if I were you.

If I were you I would also try to take a little responsibility for my own actions.

The deplorable comment was directed towards the actual neo-nazi's, alt-right, KKK types. The comment was hijacked to make it mean something different from what she actually said. Welcome to right-wing propaganda.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/...s-as-1473549076-htmlstory.html

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different.

Try reading the whole thing in context and then decide, rather than swallowing the right wing characterization of the quote.

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Fear and anger. Fuels Trump’s base.

Yes for lower and lower middle class whites it's fear, uncertainty & doubt, the confluence of which produces a low grade but persistent anger.

These are people who fear they've done over by circumstances, by the system, by "the government," by whomever. They reject current-day Democrat doctrine because they (correctly) associate it with elites and near-elites. That is, you have to already have what Radcliffe-educated Hillary is purporting to want to make possible for others (education that leads to upward mobility that leads to money) for her/their line to hold any sway.

If you don't have those things (and don't know anyone who does) the bullshitter, the conman, the charlatan looks (and, more importantly, feels) like a better choice -- he's "angry," just like you are.

Republicans who are notch or two or three up the socio-economic ladder make s similar decision, albeit with less acquired resentment along the way. For them, the equation is: I'm white, and I/"we" have something, and well... these Democrats are for, y'know, poor (black) people and "helping people" all that stuff... and, well, that's not me -- I'm a Republican, so....

With that in mind, the lower and lower-middle-class people's views make more sense, or are at least borne of some (although not much) thought -- in the same way that someone here (a Republican, fwiw) said the tradesmen who come to her house seem more intelligent than many/most college-educated types.

Read DCUM for a few days for maximal progressive fear and anger

You'll be filled and topped off.

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the good things he is accomplishing?

What is Trump accomplishing? I'm actually asking, respectfully.

Asking again as this seems to have gone unanswered. Thanks.

What is Trump accomplishing?

Nobody's answering because we have fallen for these liberal set-ups before.

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the good things he is accomplishing?

What is Trump accomplishing? I'm actually asking, respectfully.

Asking again as this seems to have gone unanswered. Thanks.

What is Trump accomplishing?

We don’t pander to libtards, we challenge them. Find the answer yourself. You can do it!

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DP, but that's rich. A liberal instructing the rest of us to "take a little responsibility for (our) own actions." Funny how we never see Hillary take responsibility for her own actions - no, instead she blames everyone but herself for her loss. And in doing so, she's showing her base how to avoid taking personal responsibility in their own lives.

You literally blamed Democrats for your vote for Donald. And now you're trying to distract. I say again: if I were you, I would take a little more responsibility for my actions.

But I'm not entirely unhappy with the job Trump is doing. His style is horrible, of course. Other than that, I don't have too many complaints. So I fully own my actions. And my point was that Democrats - and their victim mentality and identity politics - drove millions to vote for Trump. There's no way you can deny that fact.

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the good things he is accomplishing?

What is Trump accomplishing? I'm actually asking, respectfully.

Asking again as this seems to have gone unanswered. Thanks.

What is Trump accomplishing?

Google is your friend.

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DP, but that's rich. A liberal instructing the rest of us to "take a little responsibility for (our) own actions." Funny how we never see Hillary take responsibility for her own actions - no, instead she blames everyone but herself for her loss. And in doing so, she's showing her base how to avoid taking personal responsibility in their own lives.

You literally blamed Democrats for your vote for Donald. And now you're trying to distract. I say again: if I were you, I would take a little more responsibility for my actions.

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the good things he is accomplishing?

What is Trump accomplishing? I'm actually asking, respectfully.

Asking again as this seems to have gone unanswered. Thanks.

What is Trump accomplishing?

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Anonymous wrote:This is about trumps base not anyone or thing else. When u cant argue the facts attack the other side. How typical. The fact remains that his base is made up of people who watch hannity and believe the crap he spews, they listen to limbaugh levine and savage and revel in the hate these monsters dish out to these fools everyday. Fu

Were you the one who told Hillary to call us deplorable?

Sounds like it.

You really don't understand that it was your side that caused us to vote for Trump. There are plenty of people who voted for Trump because of Hillary. You seriously cannot understand that?

It's not because we loved Trump--DH and I were appalled at him when he won the nomination. However, we were more appalled at Hillary. We still are.

As for Trump--I hate his style. However, I like much of what he is accomplishing. Do I like everything he does? NO. But, the choice was clear to me. Hillary made a mess of everything she ever touched.

Voting is about choices. You cannot separate them. And, I do not think you have any idea of what Trump's base is. I'm not sure I do. Is it those who voted for him? Is it those at the rallies? Is it those who held their noses and voted for him? Is it those who support him because of the good things he is accomplishing?
Right now, I would vote for him again. If Mueller comes up with something on collusion, then I won't have to do so. One thing for sure, I like him better than the alternatives that are currently being presented by the Dems.

You should be embarrassed for your total and complete lack of thought. It’s shocking, really. My side didn’t cause you to vote for anyone; that was your own biases and bigotry. And Hillary's deploreables comment not only pales in comparison to what Donald tweets on a daily basis (though that somehow doesn’t bother you), but also it was a binary. Not every Trump voter was a deplorable, just those who espoused Nazi views, anti-Muslim views. Whatever your news sources are, I’d replace them if I were you.

If I were you I would also try to take a little responsibility for my own actions.

DP, but that's rich. A liberal instructing the rest of us to "take a little responsibility for (our) own actions." Funny how we never see Hillary take responsibility for her own actions - no, instead she blames everyone but herself for her loss. And in doing so, she's showing her base how to avoid taking personal responsibility in their own lives.

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Anonymous wrote:This is about trumps base not anyone or thing else. When u cant argue the facts attack the other side. How typical. The fact remains that his base is made up of people who watch hannity and believe the crap he spews, they listen to limbaugh levine and savage and revel in the hate these monsters dish out to these fools everyday. Fu

Were you the one who told Hillary to call us deplorable?

Sounds like it.

You really don't understand that it was your side that caused us to vote for Trump. There are plenty of people who voted for Trump because of Hillary. You seriously cannot understand that?

It's not because we loved Trump--DH and I were appalled at him when he won the nomination. However, we were more appalled at Hillary. We still are.

As for Trump--I hate his style. However, I like much of what he is accomplishing. Do I like everything he does? NO. But, the choice was clear to me. Hillary made a mess of everything she ever touched.

Voting is about choices. You cannot separate them. And, I do not think you have any idea of what Trump's base is. I'm not sure I do. Is it those who voted for him? Is it those at the rallies? Is it those who held their noses and voted for him? Is it those who support him because of the good things he is accomplishing?
Right now, I would vote for him again. If Mueller comes up with something on collusion, then I won't have to do so. One thing for sure, I like him better than the alternatives that are currently being presented by the Dems.

I highly doubt that a true member of trumpys base would b posting here, let alone b able to write or care enough to write a coherent paragraph. Smehow u r worse than them because u r conscious and aware of the banal evil that is in trumps shadow. Just like the wermacht general staff that appeased adolph and went along for the ride. The difference between us is that i loathe u not out of fear but contempt. U fear the truth so you embrace people that manipulate the deplorables like jones, hannity, savage, etc. u dont even care enough about your own country to b intellectually or morally honest. Fu and have a nice day.

I was an early poster, who pointed out that it is the LIBERALS who are fear-mongering in order to scare minorities - traditionally, their base - to the polls, since turn-out is key to a Democrat win. I specifically called out the false and horrible comparisons to Hitler......essentially saying, "vote Democrat or the racists will get you!"

And, right on cue, we have the liberal above demonstrating my point, comparing Trump to Hitler, with the expected FU thrown in for good measure.

Yep. And they feign outrage at Trump's use of hyperbole - these people are blinded by their own hubris.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy crap. If that last post isn't the epitome of anger I don't know what is. "Crush them mercilessly, under our boots" !?!?!?!?

Damn. That some facist anger right there.

He is terribly angry and delusional. Best to ignore him; he thinks he’s intellectual, but he’s a failure, couldn’t hack it at an excellent, most competitive school, and relies on this site to vent his spleen. Pretty pathetic. Let it think it’s winning.

Wow... but you're not condescending or dismissive at *all.* Actually, thank you for exemplifying what liberals are actually thinking. It's most helpful!

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Anonymous wrote:This is about trumps base not anyone or thing else. When u cant argue the facts attack the other side. How typical. The fact remains that his base is made up of people who watch hannity and believe the crap he spews, they listen to limbaugh levine and savage and revel in the hate these monsters dish out to these fools everyday. Fu

Were you the one who told Hillary to call us deplorable?

Sounds like it.

You really don't understand that it was your side that caused us to vote for Trump. There are plenty of people who voted for Trump because of Hillary. You seriously cannot understand that?

It's not because we loved Trump--DH and I were appalled at him when he won the nomination. However, we were more appalled at Hillary. We still are.

As for Trump--I hate his style. However, I like much of what he is accomplishing. Do I like everything he does? NO. But, the choice was clear to me. Hillary made a mess of everything she ever touched.

Voting is about choices. You cannot separate them. And, I do not think you have any idea of what Trump's base is. I'm not sure I do. Is it those who voted for him? Is it those at the rallies? Is it those who held their noses and voted for him? Is it those who support him because of the good things he is accomplishing?
Right now, I would vote for him again. If Mueller comes up with something on collusion, then I won't have to do so. One thing for sure, I like him better than the alternatives that are currently being presented by the Dems.

I highly doubt that a true member of trumpys base would b posting here, let alone b able to write or care enough to write a coherent paragraph. Smehow u r worse than them because u r conscious and aware of the banal evil that is in trumps shadow. Just like the wermacht general staff that appeased adolph and went along for the ride. The difference between us is that i loathe u not out of fear but contempt. U fear the truth so you embrace people that manipulate the deplorables like jones, hannity, savage, etc. u dont even care enough about your own country to b intellectually or morally honest. Fu and have a nice day.

DP. This is hysterical - you were saying something about writing a "coherent paragraph"? Get back to us when you actually learn how to.

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Anonymous wrote:Charles manson, nra tea baggers, fox news, hitler, etc... all use fear to fuel anger. They cultivate it and use it to dupe the ignorant into becoming willing pawns n thier desperate game. True evil walks among us.

Yes, and that's why the left keeps making comparisons to Hitler. It's insulting to the memory of the murdered and the nightmares of the survivors. And all it is is a Democratic campaign strategy - to scare the crap out of minorities so they'll go to the polls. Turnout is key to a Democratic win, and fear is a great motivator. And it's basically all they have.

So yes, OP...I agree with fear and anger, but it's the fear being generated from the left. And as far as anger, have you read this forum? The hateful accusations against anyone who dared not vote for Hillary is on a level I've never seen before (and I'm 60).

Your memory must be failing you.

DP, but seriously? Nothing of substance to add to the PP’s very well-articulated argument? S/he is absolutely right. Fear mongering is the left’s stock and trade. The constant outrage and hyperbole? It’s all designed to whip the base (liberals) into a frenzy of fear and manipulate minorities into feeling some unnamed fear - all in the hopes of getting poor people out to the polls to vote for the Democrats. And if you dare have a mind of your own and vote for a Republican? According to these morons, you’re Hitler incarnate. It sounds like something out of a Mel Brooks satire... until you realize this is actually happening.

DP, but seriously? Nothing of substance to add to the PP’s very well-articulated argument? S/he is absolutely right. Fear mongering is the right's stock and trade. The constant outrage and hyperbole? It’s all designed to whip the base (conservatives) into a frenzy of fear and manipulate lower-middle-class whites into feeling some unnamed fear - all in the hopes of getting people named (or who know someone named) Wayne out to the polls to vote for the Republicans. And if you dare have a mind of your own and vote for a Democrat? According to these morons, you’re, gasp, "a liberal" incarnate. It sounds like something out of The Handmaid's Tale... until you realize this is actually happening.

I see not only do you have difficulty formatting, but you’re not original or creative enough to come up with your own words (or thoughts). No worries! You so beautifully illustrated the liberal mindset: follow like sheep.

But seriously? Nothing of substance to add to my very well-articulated argument? I am absolutely right.

Fear mongering is the right's stock and trade. The constant outrage and hyperbole? It’s all designed to whip the base (conservatives) into a frenzy of fear and manipulate lower-middle-class whites into feeling some unnamed fear - all in the hopes of getting people named (or who know someone named) Wayne out to the polls to vote for the Republicans. And if you dare have a mind of your own and vote for a Democrat? According to these morons, you’re, gasp, "a liberal" incarnate. It sounds like something out of The Handmaid's Tale... until you realize this is actually happening.

The party of peace and tolerance is above using fear to motivate its base.

Hence the left has never declared that the GOP was waging a war on women, used crises to advocate for gun control, or used fear of racist whites to rile up its base.

Nor have leftists ever marched in the streets to protest against any of these fears, despite my lying eyes.

Never, ever.

Not once.

Ever.

Slow-witted Republican,

used crises to advocate for gun control

Um, yes, we have done that. It hasn't worked, because "gun control" died (with all those little kids) at Sandy Hook. The new term is "massacre reduction" -- laws that reduce open access to semi-automatics/extended magazines/bump stocks/silencers in ways that result in a) fewer massacres and b) when they happen (there's too many guns for them not to) maybe fewer dead people. Seems, y'know, like kind of a nice thing...

or used fear of racist whites to rile up its base.

I think you mean: used the fears of racist whites to rile up its base. That's straight outta the Republican playbook. And it works!

This entire post can be condensed into a single, eternal truism.

Whatever a liberal/progressive says, they mean the opposite. Period.

There are only fifty-eight bazillion examples.

“Trump colluded with Russians”
Translation: “Hilary colluded with Russians”.

“The alt-right are fascists”.
Translation: “We are fascists”.

“Trump isn’t mentally healthy enough to be President”.
Translation: “Hilary’s seizure disorder, Parkinson’s disease, alcoholism, and inability to competently handle classified material makes her unfit for the Presidency”.

“Trump is a vulgar pussy-grabber”.
Translation: ” Al Franken, Harvey Weinstein,and Bill Clinton are vulgar pussy grabbers”.

And….ad infinitum.

We can pity our liberal friends, neighbors, and co-workers. That level of prevarication and cognitive dissonance must take a terrible psychological toll.

But just because we pity them doesn’t mean we can’t crush them, mercilessly, under our boots.

I agree. Writ-large, liberals are hypocritical in ways and on levels that conservatives aren't. Liberals (as a monolith) pretend to be, and think of themselves as, altruistic, enlightened and high-minded when, in fact, in their heart of hearts, most are just as greedy, small and petty as the Republicans they detest. Moreover, Republicans, in general, don't pretend to be "the good guys." Look at someone like Mick Mulvaney -- he's an evil, mendacious little pig - and he knows it, and knows you know it, and he doesn't care. It's almost sort of admirable.

But here's the funny part (re: your post above) your translation gotcha is undercut by the fact that the things you put in quotes are TRUE.

“Trump colluded with Russians” He did. (Yes, I know, we're still sifting through the evidence. But you watch where this goes.)

“The alt-right are fascists”. They are. Just ask them.

“Trump isn’t mentally healthy enough to be President”. Actually, it's matter of character, not mental health. Trump has terrible character. And (like, say, Mulvaney) he owns it. Character is for suckers.

“Trump is a vulgar pussy-grabber”. He is. He'll tell you so himself.

So don't argue and fret and try to wheedle concessions. Just own your mendacious piggery. Besides, Democrats aren't much better. They just aren't Republicans. It's a game of inches, you know.

Actually, lets be real about who is hypocritical. Conservatives run on traditional family values, responsible fiscal policy, free markets, and smaller govt. Trump Admin violates all of those "key" values.

Democrats try to practice what they preach. Witness Franken, Weinstein, and even Bill Clinton. No Democrat defended Bill's behavior. The argument was simply that lying to the FBI about what was sex did not rise to an impeachable action. No one defended his behavior. Now, I have heard very few Republicans call out Trump for his behavior, which is far worse and continued to occur decades after Clinton's behavior.

OH, PLEASE. You must be joking. "No Democrat defended Bill's behavior"??? Bahahahahaha!
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/27/16678584/bill-clinton-sexual-misconduct-liberals

"For many Democrats, preserving a veneer of “sophistication” or “worldliness” — a Europeanized, blasé approach to sex and sexuality — was central to their defense of Clinton.
In the 1990s, the left closed ranks around Clinton over Lewinsky.
As Matt Yglesias recently wrote for Vox, the left’s defense of Clinton revolved around glossing over other accusations, centering the Lewinsky scandal, characterizing it as consensual, and blaming the prurience and puritanism of the American media. Clinton characterized the affair as a private indiscretion, saying, "I intend to reclaim my family life for my family. It’s nobody's business but ours. Even presidents have private lives. It is time to stop the pursuit of personal destruction and the prying into private lives and get on with our national life.”
Central to Clinton and his defenders’ argument was the implication that anyone who judged him was guilty of puritanism and outrage, a quintessentially American obsession with sex that belied an inability to greet sexual misconduct with a Gallic shrug. In a New York Times op-ed, feminist writer Gloria Steinem reserved most of her ire for “the media's obsession with sex qua sex,” which she considered “offensive to some, titillating to many and beside the point to almost everybody.” Mexican novelist Carlos Fuentes dismissed the accusations against Clinton as “sex, puritanism and trivialization,” implying in a Spanish-language op-ed that the media fascination with Clinton could be traced back to the sexual morality of Puritan settlers.
The Lewinsky affair made up the greatest part of the Clinton sexual narrative. Other allegations against Clinton were often sidelined as consensual “passes” or dismissed as falsehoods altogether. For many of Clinton’s defenders, that Lewinsky affair was about American prudishness, nothing more. A 1998 Vanity Fair article described the reaction among supposedly liberal, feminist women as similarly “enlightened.” Clinton was desirable, his peccadillos part and parcel of his worldly sophistication."

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Anonymous wrote:This is about trumps base not anyone or thing else. When u cant argue the facts attack the other side. How typical. The fact remains that his base is made up of people who watch hannity and believe the crap he spews, they listen to limbaugh levine and savage and revel in the hate these monsters dish out to these fools everyday. Fu

Were you the one who told Hillary to call us deplorable?

Sounds like it.

You really don't understand that it was your side that caused us to vote for Trump. There are plenty of people who voted for Trump because of Hillary. You seriously cannot understand that?

It's not because we loved Trump--DH and I were appalled at him when he won the nomination. However, we were more appalled at Hillary. We still are.

As for Trump--I hate his style. However, I like much of what he is accomplishing. Do I like everything he does? NO. But, the choice was clear to me. Hillary made a mess of everything she ever touched.

Voting is about choices. You cannot separate them. And, I do not think you have any idea of what Trump's base is. I'm not sure I do. Is it those who voted for him? Is it those at the rallies? Is it those who held their noses and voted for him? Is it those who support him because of the good things he is accomplishing?
Right now, I would vote for him again. If Mueller comes up with something on collusion, then I won't have to do so. One thing for sure, I like him better than the alternatives that are currently being presented by the Dems.

+100
It's convenient for Dems to paint Trump's base with broad strokes, but the reality is they have no idea who voted for him. Like you, I hate his style but appreciate much of what he's trying to accomplish. People like PP have no clue just how many people they actually know voted for him - friends, family. Liberals have vastly underestimated just how sick of their BS many American voters are.