Anonymous
04/03/2018 06:38
Subject: Re:Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For parts of my childhood my mom was in a really bad place mentally. I was really afraid she would do this to me. I think people don't realize that in these situations you're often the frog in the pot slowly brought to a boil. As things slowly get worse, weirder, scarier, you aren't living in the normal world where you can easily recognize that behavior isn't normal. For my dad and other family members, they knew my mom was acting crazy, but they couldn't admit how bad it had gotten.
Would your dad have ignored the authorities beating on his door in order to protect your abusive mother? Would he have gone to court and lied about abuse in order to cover up your mom's abuse?
Would he have presented a picture perfect happy family to the world in matchy matchy tee shirts knowing full well that you were being neglected and beaten at home? Would he have attended political rallies and demonstrations while keeping silent about your abuse at home?
Your dad was probably in survival mode as well as denial and he very likely did not have access to friends in "the system" like this woman appeared to have access to.
I'm sorry that you went through all of that.
Multiple posts have mentioned the matching t-shirts. When you are in charge of a lot of kids in a public place, it's easier to keep track of everyone if you're all wearing the same shirts. Schools do this all the time. Please don't start placing stereotypes on large families if you see matching shirts.
Yep, was just about to post the same thing.
Mom of many kids here, and I agree. I also don't get the snide comment about them all wearing Goonies themed shirts in one photo. They were at a Goonies Day event in Astoria (where the movie took place.) I'd bet 95% of the people there were wearing something Goonies related!
Anonymous
04/03/2018 06:01
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s
This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.
SIX black children. Why adopt so many when you don't have a personality that handles the stress well? Beating and starving the kids!
This! It isn’t like they were accidentally getting pregnant with more kids than they could handle. They had to go through the difficult adoption process. Anything to show it was one mom and she was abusing not only the kids but her wife? I mean how does a couple AGREE to abuse their kids?!
That video is sad and plain disgusting. Just like the viral photo at the BLM protest, it is very telling. I think I hear those pigs laughing as they are shooting the video. I saw nothing funny about that video, just the opposite.
I just realized at the end of the video the boy also has a hand made free hugs sign hanging from his neck. Those kids truly needed hugs and so much more that the moms refused to provide, like food, etc.
In the video, it was obvious the boy was in need of proper clothing. It wasn't Halloween.
I guess "Love" carved in his head meant in addition to needing hugs that he referenced on his sign hanging on his neck, the boy had "love carved on his head because he needed that to, wasn't getting it from his moms. These signs he wore on his neck and message carved on his head were desperate calls for help. The boy was crying and would not let go from that man either. How much more obvious could it be?
Anonymous
04/03/2018 04:10
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s
This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.
SIX black children. Why adopt so many when you don't have a personality that handles the stress well? Beating and starving the kids!
This! It isn’t like they were accidentally getting pregnant with more kids than they could handle. They had to go through the difficult adoption process. Anything to show it was one mom and she was abusing not only the kids but her wife? I mean how does a couple AGREE to abuse their kids?!
That video is sad and plain disgusting. Just like the viral photo at the BLM protest, it is very telling. I think I hear those pigs laughing as they are shooting the video. I saw nothing funny about that video, just the opposite.
I just realized at the end of the video the boy also has a hand made free hugs sign hanging from his neck. Those kids truly needed hugs and so much more that the moms refused to provide, like food, etc.
Anonymous
04/03/2018 02:28
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s
This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.
SIX black children. Why adopt so many when you don't have a personality that handles the stress well? Beating and starving the kids!
This! It isn’t like they were accidentally getting pregnant with more kids than they could handle. They had to go through the difficult adoption process. Anything to show it was one mom and she was abusing not only the kids but her wife? I mean how does a couple AGREE to abuse their kids?!
That video is sad and plain disgusting. Just like the viral photo at the BLM protest, it is very telling. I think I hear those pigs laughing as they are shooting the video. I saw nothing funny about that video, just the opposite.
Anonymous
04/03/2018 02:21
Subject: Re:Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was searching for days on this topic in the dcum forum. Was wondering what took so long to start one.
I can't believe those kids were not removed after the one mom plead guilty to child abuse.
It would not surprise me if these moms had mental health issues and were on antipsychotics.
I think this one creates dissonance for this board. This was a left leaning family, lesbians, mixed race, adoptive parents. Doesn't fit the narrative of who many people want to see as child abusers.
I used this incident over the weekend as a teaching moment for my son to show him how the same news story can be told from many different perspectives based on the biases of the sources.
We also discussed how the 5 stages of grief weigh into accounts and reportings. Those who knew them are likely in stages of anger and denial. I am fairly convinced that this is not a pretty picture and that it will continue to get uglier as more facts come out, despite efforts at spin control. As we learned from Watergate, it is rarely about the crime and more often about the coverup. This family was presented as a "poster-unit" from the left, and all of that is likely to come back in ways that they can't control.
We also discussed how "box checking" affected the reporting. How would the reporting of this story differ if the political and sexual orientation of the parents was different, ditto the racial makeup of the family unit? A lot of the info will come out in the form of "I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin." Were signs missed simply because it is no longer politically correct to see signs?
A comment from one source even blamed it all on "the nosy hompophobic neighbors and none of this would have happened if they hadn't interfered." I guess to some that a kid breaking into your house at 130AM and hiding constitutes "nosy" Sheeeeeesh! I feel badly for those neighbors who I now suspect must be wondering if the outcome had been different had they called CPS sooner. But at the same time, I'm from Portland. I know how Portland is, and I also would have to be thinking about the blowback when it was revealed that I had reported the lesbians next door. I will not be surprised if they are painted as the villains.So we must wonder if the system itself has created an atmosphere of non-reporting. I no longer have mandatory reporter status since I retired, and around here that is a relief. It will be interesting to see if any of the people who claim to be close to the family change their stories over time. Denial of a problem is a powerful defensive force.
For these reasons, police have been slow to release information. Recently it was announced that the speedometer was pegged at 90, indicating that the accelerator was all the way down, and wheels free of a load will allow the engine and transmission to quickly max out in the 3 seconds of fall between the bluff and impact. They also revealed no contact between the vehicle and cliff face on the way down, so it was essentially airborne. I really do not see any way this cannot be ruled as felony suicide / murder in the end.
We used to have a summer house near Anchor Bay so I am very familiar with that highway. Yeah, it is super dangerous if you don't pay attention. But this incident did not happen in one of those spots, even though some news stories imply that was the case by omitting selective facts.
Well said. I was attacked for my comment about the media. It was lightly covered compared to the scale. And you said what I was implying from my earlier post, certain facts were glossed over due to political correctness which makes this more tragic because it doesn't foster discussion to make changes so this does not happen again. This is why I was also upset that ther3 was no immediate post about this that should generate 100 plus pages.
Anonymous
04/03/2018 01:55
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just realized that one of the kids (he's one of three that is still missing) was Devonte Hart who "drew national attention after he was photographed in tears, hugging a white police officer during a 2014 protest in Portland over the deadly police shooting of a black man in Ferguson, Missouri. Devonte was holding a “Free Hugs” sign."
When I read that, I saw his face immediately in my mind. So sad!!
That photo was a tipoff of what horrific parenting he had. It was messed up from the start. It's infuriating in many ways.
Yes, he was in desperate need for a hug because he got nothing of the like from those women. He got just the opposite instead. It was a cry out for help. Those kids fought for their lives until the bitter end. It is heartbreaking to hear how many times they risked their lives by seeking out help from teachers and neighbors only to have the system fail them over and over.
Anonymous
04/03/2018 00:37
Subject: Re:Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For parts of my childhood my mom was in a really bad place mentally. I was really afraid she would do this to me. I think people don't realize that in these situations you're often the frog in the pot slowly brought to a boil. As things slowly get worse, weirder, scarier, you aren't living in the normal world where you can easily recognize that behavior isn't normal. For my dad and other family members, they knew my mom was acting crazy, but they couldn't admit how bad it had gotten.
Would your dad have ignored the authorities beating on his door in order to protect your abusive mother? Would he have gone to court and lied about abuse in order to cover up your mom's abuse?
Would he have presented a picture perfect happy family to the world in matchy matchy tee shirts knowing full well that you were being neglected and beaten at home? Would he have attended political rallies and demonstrations while keeping silent about your abuse at home?
Your dad was probably in survival mode as well as denial and he very likely did not have access to friends in "the system" like this woman appeared to have access to.
I'm sorry that you went through all of that.
Multiple posts have mentioned the matching t-shirts. When you are in charge of a lot of kids in a public place, it's easier to keep track of everyone if you're all wearing the same shirts. Schools do this all the time. Please don't start placing stereotypes on large families if you see matching shirts.
Yep, was just about to post the same thing.
Anonymous
04/02/2018 22:55
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Monsters. Those poor children.
Anonymous
04/02/2018 22:54
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
^Putting matchy matchy tee shirts on tween/teens is weird.
Anonymous
04/02/2018 18:52
Subject: Re:Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For parts of my childhood my mom was in a really bad place mentally. I was really afraid she would do this to me. I think people don't realize that in these situations you're often the frog in the pot slowly brought to a boil. As things slowly get worse, weirder, scarier, you aren't living in the normal world where you can easily recognize that behavior isn't normal. For my dad and other family members, they knew my mom was acting crazy, but they couldn't admit how bad it had gotten.
Would your dad have ignored the authorities beating on his door in order to protect your abusive mother? Would he have gone to court and lied about abuse in order to cover up your mom's abuse?
Would he have presented a picture perfect happy family to the world in matchy matchy tee shirts knowing full well that you were being neglected and beaten at home? Would he have attended political rallies and demonstrations while keeping silent about your abuse at home?
Your dad was probably in survival mode as well as denial and he very likely did not have access to friends in "the system" like this woman appeared to have access to.
I'm sorry that you went through all of that.
I literally saw hundreds of families in matching shirts on my recent Disney trip. They can’t all be weirdo abusers!!
Multiple posts have mentioned the matching t-shirts. When you are in charge of a lot of kids in a public place, it's easier to keep track of everyone if you're all wearing the same shirts. Schools do this all the time. Please don't start placing stereotypes on large families if you see matching shirts.
Anonymous
04/02/2018 18:46
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s
This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.
SIX black children. Why adopt so many when you don't have a personality that handles the stress well? Beating and starving the kids!
This! It isn’t like they were accidentally getting pregnant with more kids than they could handle. They had to go through the difficult adoption process. Anything to show it was one mom and she was abusing not only the kids but her wife? I mean how does a couple AGREE to abuse their kids?!
Anonymous
04/02/2018 18:36
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:I just realized that one of the kids (he's one of three that is still missing) was Devonte Hart who "drew national attention after he was photographed in tears, hugging a white police officer during a 2014 protest in Portland over the deadly police shooting of a black man in Ferguson, Missouri. Devonte was holding a “Free Hugs” sign."
When I read that, I saw his face immediately in my mind. So sad!!
That photo was a tipoff of what horrific parenting he had. It was messed up from the start. It's infuriating in many ways.
Anonymous
04/02/2018 18:26
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The kids all look small for their age as well. They are short for being 14-19 mostly (I think one girl was 12).
No one was 19 in that photo. It was taken in 2014. Yes, they were still small, but tweens/teenagers change a lot in 4 years. Some would have been under 10 in that photo.
I can't find any pics where they look like a family of teens. I found one from 2016 and they didn't look much older than the pic with the blue shirts.
What is it with people who abuse their kids and dressing them all in matching clothes? Is it to take away their individuality?
Also similar to Turpins it seems these kids had no social media presence and were not online. Yet parents were.
Yes. I think you hit the nail on the head. Sickening.
Frankly, I suspect any parent who dresses their kids in matching outfits and/or exerts an unusual amount of control/attention over what their kids wear is a control freak of sorts. On a far lesser scale, I've seen examples of parents like this and watched as they had a difficult time acknowledging/accepting that their children are their own individuals. I think this behavior is generally a precursor to conflict when the child becomes an adult.
Now, I'm not talking about parents who want their kids to wear clean and presentable clothes or have some reasonable rules about appropriate clothing or want their kids to look nice for special events. I'm talking about parents who literally invest a lot of attention in picking out what their kids wear or insist their kids wear matching clothing.
My 3 boys wear matching shirts a lot... because they like to match. My oldest (8) is typically the initiator. They like wearing matching pj’s as well. I really hope people don’t view this as a negative and that we’re taking away their individuality.
Fine for 8 and under.
But will they still be wearing matching tee shirts when they are tween/teen?
No, very likely this phase will pass soon. For now, I think it’s pretty cute that they’re all so close and like to match. They were SO excited to get 2 matching shirts in their baskets yesterday that they had to immediately put one on.
That's cute and perfectly fine. Mine had matching neon shirts when they were little, too, so that I could keep track of them at places like the pumpkin patch, Chuck E Cheese, festivals and other crowded venues.
But putting tween/teens in matchy outfits like that is weird.
Anonymous
04/02/2018 18:17
Subject: Re:Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was searching for days on this topic in the dcum forum. Was wondering what took so long to start one.
I can't believe those kids were not removed after the one mom plead guilty to child abuse.
It would not surprise me if these moms had mental health issues and were on antipsychotics.
I think this one creates dissonance for this board. This was a left leaning family, lesbians, mixed race, adoptive parents. Doesn't fit the narrative of who many people want to see as child abusers.
If any DCUM reader experiences "dissonance" over this case, then he/she is just as sick and evil as the two women.
Anonymous
04/02/2018 18:12
Subject: Suspicious deaths.
Anonymous wrote:It's sad that this will further the stigma with these sorts of adoptions. Wasn't there that foreign adoption a few years ago with the US couple who abused the kid and now that country shut down all adoptions? I want to say it was either Russia or an African country.
As another poster said, this case is worse because it feeds the people who are anti-LGBT parents, anti bi-racial adoptions, etc.
It only stigmatizes the people who adopt kids, keep them isolated from the world, make them dress in matchy outfits and have numerous calls to CPS made about them. Hmmm, maybe we actually should be stigmatizing those people?