Anonymous wrote:As long as LJ becomes less crowded then this is a fine solution.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of those on here that are against this move will be at the hearing on the 22nd when this will be voted on? Raise your hands please..

Not living in the area, I may not show up. I know the school board has read these threads and have talked to them personally about the issues. I have also talked to facilities. It's their responsibility to make a sound decision. I do not feel obligated to show up just to make sure they do the right thing. I cannot show up to every hearing and it is not my responsibility. What if I was sick or had an obligation? These are the people we elected. The responsibility is on their shoulders.

But you are not the only one carrying the weight of the opposition on your shoulders, pp (or are you?). I thought there were a few hundred based on the length of this thread.

While I get your point about the county needing to worry about this vs us, they cannot make any decisions if they have to worry about 3rd and 4th order consequences of every decision.

The issue they are addressing is overcrowding at LJ.
Potential solutions - Move kids to Thoreau (which has overcapacity). I'm sure parents were involved in pushing for this solution (OES and the other two schools).
Move kids to Poe - Where are the parents asking for this? If not them, who else will? You will not find OES parents asking for this. In fact, if someone had proposed this, they would have vehemently shot it down because the school is just too far away!

I don't think it's fair for someone to pontificate on this when they are not personally involved.

Other issues you and other bring up such as :LJ will become a "poor people" school, performance will decrease, property values will decrease, etc are second/third order issues that FCPS just doesn't have the mental bandwidth/capacity/ability to address. Once you bring those issues in you will not be able to change anything.

This is nothing more than your conspiracy theory. The plan to move these particular schools into Thoreau was hatched by the facilities people long ago in the CIP. Parents at OES, MWES and MRES had nothing to do with it. OES parents were more unhappy with LJ b/c they were a split ES... so some kids were going to TMS and some to LJ. That did drive a feeling of some kids getting a higher end school while their friends got somethign else. MWES was not a split feeder.... people there were fully on-board with LJ and weren't agitating to leave. Not sure about the MRES kids. They were a much smaller part of the MRES population.

There was no effort on the part of the ES to get themselves picked to be rezoned. FCPS simply looked at the map and it was obvious who should move. You want to social engineer the situation to suit your property values. Admit that.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of those on here that are against this move will be at the hearing on the 22nd when this will be voted on? Raise your hands please..

Not living in the area, I may not show up. I know the school board has read these threads and have talked to them personally about the issues. I have also talked to facilities. It's their responsibility to make a sound decision. I do not feel obligated to show up just to make sure they do the right thing. I cannot show up to every hearing and it is not my responsibility. What if I was sick or had an obligation? These are the people we elected. The responsibility is on their shoulders.

But you are not the only one carrying the weight of the opposition on your shoulders, pp (or are you?). I thought there were a few hundred based on the length of this thread.

While I get your point about the county needing to worry about this vs us, they cannot make any decisions if they have to worry about 3rd and 4th order consequences of every decision.

The issue they are addressing is overcrowding at LJ.
Potential solutions - Move kids to Thoreau (which has overcapacity). I'm sure parents were involved in pushing for this solution (OES and the other two schools).
Move kids to Poe - Where are the parents asking for this? If not them, who else will? You will not find OES parents asking for this. In fact, if someone had proposed this, they would have vehemently shot it down because the school is just too far away!

I don't think it's fair for someone to pontificate on this when they are not personally involved.

Other issues you and other bring up such as :LJ will become a "poor people" school, performance will decrease, property values will decrease, etc are second/third order issues that FCPS just doesn't have the mental bandwidth/capacity/ability to address. Once you bring those issues in you will not be able to change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:It is the responsibility of the School Board and FCPS Staff to do the right thing. It's not consistent with the One Fairfax resolution to always put the burden on the people who are getting the short end of the stick to complain, especially when FCPS did not reach out to them previously.

So you have the right to complain and whine about things but not the obligation to do anything about it? The county management works for you (theoretically). Most of them are limited when it comes to brain power/empathy. Unless you tell them what you want, they don't care. That's your responsibility as an affected citizen. Have you done that?

DP here. After reading these threads, I did contact the School Board members and ask them to put this on hold until they consider other options. I didn't whine. I just pointed out the considerations that weigh in favor of a different approach.

But I do think it's their responsibility in the first instance to make sure that FCPS staff is both acting transparently and soliciting input from all affected parties. That hasn't happened here.

Anonymous wrote:How many of those on here that are against this move will be at the hearing on the 22nd when this will be voted on? Raise your hands please..

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Anonymous wrote:How many of those on here that are against this move will be at the hearing on the 22nd when this will be voted on? Raise your hands please..

Not living in the area, I may not show up. I know the school board has read these threads and have talked to them personally about the issues. I have also talked to facilities. It's their responsibility to make a sound decision. I do not feel obligated to show up just to make sure they do the right thing. I cannot show up to every hearing and it is not my responsibility. What if I was sick or had an obligation? These are the people we elected. The responsibility is on their shoulders.

But you are not the only one carrying the weight of the opposition on your shoulders, pp (or are you?). I thought there were a few hundred based on the length of this thread.

While I get your point about the county needing to worry about this vs us, they cannot make any decisions if they have to worry about 3rd and 4th order consequences of every decision.

The issue they are addressing is overcrowding at LJ.
Potential solutions - Move kids to Thoreau (which has overcapacity). I'm sure parents were involved in pushing for this solution (OES and the other two schools).
Move kids to Poe - Where are the parents asking for this? If not them, who else will? You will not find OES parents asking for this. In fact, if someone had proposed this, they would have vehemently shot it down because the school is just too far away!

I don't think it's fair for someone to pontificate on this when they are not personally involved.

One Fairfax is specifically set up so that people aren't just looking out for their own interest, but those of the entire County. I really can't say whether this proposal meets One Fairfax because I haven't seen any data analyzing it. So what would I argue about other than the lack of data? FCPS is supposed to listen to constituents but make decisions based on the entire county. Of course even though I'm not directed affected by the move, I'm indirectly affected by schools that have very high FARMS rates and low achievement rates. We have some schools that are on the brink of the state getting involved. Those schools are pulling resources from other schools. We do live nearby to these schools and they will affect me, but either way, I expect FCPS to adhere to their own policies for the betterment of the entire county. FYI, I've only posted a couple of times here. There are others that see issues. But this was why One Fairfax was created. To have an overarching policy that super-ceded whatever individual request was made.

Other issues you and other bring up such as :LJ will become a "poor people" school, performance will decrease, property values will decrease, etc are second/third order issues that FCPS just doesn't have the mental bandwidth/capacity/ability to address. Once you bring those issues in you will not be able to change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of those on here that are against this move will be at the hearing on the 22nd when this will be voted on? Raise your hands please..

Not living in the area, I may not show up. I know the school board has read these threads and have talked to them personally about the issues. I have also talked to facilities. It's their responsibility to make a sound decision. I do not feel obligated to show up just to make sure they do the right thing. I cannot show up to every hearing and it is not my responsibility. What if I was sick or had an obligation? These are the people we elected. The responsibility is on their shoulders.

But you are not the only one carrying the weight of the opposition on your shoulders, pp (or are you?). I thought there were a few hundred based on the length of this thread.

While I get your point about the county needing to worry about this vs us, they cannot make any decisions if they have to worry about 3rd and 4th order consequences of every decision.

The issue they are addressing is overcrowding at LJ.
Potential solutions - Move kids to Thoreau (which has overcapacity). I'm sure parents were involved in pushing for this solution (OES and the other two schools).
Move kids to Poe - Where are the parents asking for this? If not them, who else will? You will not find OES parents asking for this. In fact, if someone had proposed this, they would have vehemently shot it down because the school is just too far away!

I don't think it's fair for someone to pontificate on this when they are not personally involved.

Other issues you and other bring up such as :LJ will become a "poor people" school, performance will decrease, property values will decrease, etc are second/third order issues that FCPS just doesn't have the mental bandwidth/capacity/ability to address. Once you bring those issues in you will not be able to change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of those on here that are against this move will be at the hearing on the 22nd when this will be voted on? Raise your hands please..

Not living in the area, I may not show up. I know the school board has read these threads and have talked to them personally about the issues. I have also talked to facilities. It's their responsibility to make a sound decision. I do not feel obligated to show up just to make sure they do the right thing. I cannot show up to every hearing and it is not my responsibility. What if I was sick or had an obligation? These are the people we elected. The responsibility is on their shoulders.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the responsibility of the School Board and FCPS Staff to do the right thing. It's not consistent with the One Fairfax resolution to always put the burden on the people who are getting the short end of the stick to complain, especially when FCPS did not reach out to them previously.

So you have the right to complain and whine about things but not the obligation to do anything about it? The county management works for you (theoretically). Most of them are limited when it comes to brain power/empathy. Unless you tell them what you want, they don't care. That's your responsibility as an affected citizen. Have you done that?