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Anonymous wrote:Some of you really rush to judgment when in reality, you have NO idea what Katie Couric knew or did. It's disturbing and I don't believe for a second that any one of you would jeopardize your own livelihoods in a similar situation, especially if you were a single mother caring for two young daughters. It makes you seem really angry and unhinged.

How many people at work "pinch" your "ass"?

How many times does this have to be stated: She recently said that the "ass pinching" line was just a joke. IT WAS A JOKE, PEOPLE! Good grief.

If you believe it was a funny joke,
post here a YouTube link of that clip.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you really rush to judgment when in reality, you have NO idea what Katie Couric knew or did. It's disturbing and I don't believe for a second that any one of you would jeopardize your own livelihoods in a similar situation, especially if you were a single mother caring for two young daughters. It makes you seem really angry and unhinged.

How many people at work "pinch" your "ass"?

How many times does this have to be stated: She recently said that the "ass pinching" line was just a joke. IT WAS A JOKE, PEOPLE! Good grief.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are levels of knowing. She may have genuinely been consciously unaware. That's not to say she shouldn't do some reflecting about why she wasn't more consciously aware than she was, and taking some responsibility for that.

I saw the video of Savannah Guthrie and Hoda Kotb announcing Matt's departure. There was genuine emotion there - they weren't faking their distress. That said, I think they have some levels of knowing that they need to account for to themselves, too.

Yes, Savannah was genuinely concerned because she was wondering WTF might happen with her job. She knew and she looked the other way.

I think they sent a clear message to the other victims. We will not support you. We loooovvveee Matt. Look at me crying...you think I will cry you? They knew and did not care at all about some intern or contract employee “hooking up” with Matt. Matt is at their level. The others are not and are unimportant.

How dare women be responsible for their own consensual sexual acts!!! The horror!

+1
As far as I'm concerned, I'd be thrilled not to hear any more of these ridiculous "complaints" from women who were FULLY and CONSENSUALLY involved with these men. Own your behavior, ladies.

Anonymous wrote: But Why single out Katie and not the dozens of incredibly powerful men working with Matt at the time??? Much more likely he bragged to them like trump to billy bush and not to Katie.

The big bosses were called out somewhere. Of course they're guilty!
But sweet little Katie? We hate her now.

But Why single out Katie and not the dozens of incredibly powerful men working with Matt at the time??? Much more likely he bragged to them like trump to billy bush and not to Katie.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly what do you suggest, 15:13?

Not blaming women for men's bad behavior, to start. Just find it odd that no men were blamed for letting this go on so long - not the NBC brass paying his ridiculous salary, creating and nurturing a culture that allowed for this, the other male staff, etc. This thread is all about how it was all Katie's fault.

Did you miss the title of *this* thread?
I bumped up for you the thread about the perpetrator, Matt Lauer.

Right but this one is all about Katie.

Correct. You knew that by the title, right?

We're kind of fed up with people who knew about the smut, but acted like they were ok with it.

I'm fed up with conversations about men and their deplorable behavior being redirected to be about women. That is what you are not getting. The title of the thread is about Katie, not Matt. The blame is on Katie, not Matt. This is troubling and this is why I clicked. The point you are missing is that this shouldn't be about Katie.

Matt is the obvious villain but the women around him that remained silent despite knowing his behavior enabled him to attack even more women so yeah, they’re complicit and guilty as hell.

+ 1,000

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly what do you suggest, 15:13?

Not blaming women for men's bad behavior, to start. Just find it odd that no men were blamed for letting this go on so long - not the NBC brass paying his ridiculous salary, creating and nurturing a culture that allowed for this, the other male staff, etc. This thread is all about how it was all Katie's fault.

Did you miss the title of *this* thread?
I bumped up for you the thread about the perpetrator, Matt Lauer.

Right but this one is all about Katie.

Correct. You knew that by the title, right?

We're kind of fed up with people who knew about the smut, but acted like they were ok with it.

I'm fed up with conversations about men and their deplorable behavior being redirected to be about women. That is what you are not getting. The title of the thread is about Katie, not Matt. The blame is on Katie, not Matt. This is troubling and this is why I clicked. The point you are missing is that this shouldn't be about Katie.

Matt is the obvious villain but the women around him that remained silent despite knowing his behavior enabled him to attack even more women so yeah, they’re complicit and guilty as hell.

I could assign some responsibility to Katie if she knew what a letch Matt Lauer was but acted friendly towards him and laughed while he cracked crude sexual jokes and was pinching her on the azz in a fairly blatant way in front of the other staff members.

I can see how that might have possibly given an intern the impression that fooling around with ML was an unwritten part of the job description.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly what do you suggest, 15:13?

Not blaming women for men's bad behavior, to start. Just find it odd that no men were blamed for letting this go on so long - not the NBC brass paying his ridiculous salary, creating and nurturing a culture that allowed for this, the other male staff, etc. This thread is all about how it was all Katie's fault.

Did you miss the title of *this* thread?
I bumped up for you the thread about the perpetrator, Matt Lauer.

Right but this one is all about Katie.

Correct. You knew that by the title, right?

We're kind of fed up with people who knew about the smut, but acted like they were ok with it.

I'm fed up with conversations about men and their deplorable behavior being redirected to be about women. That is what you are not getting. The title of the thread is about Katie, not Matt. The blame is on Katie, not Matt. This is troubling and this is why I clicked. The point you are missing is that this shouldn't be about Katie.

Anonymous wrote:Katie knew, but lets face it at that level its all about Katie. She left that girl next door thing a long time ago.

Well said.

Katie knew, but lets face it at that level its all about Katie. She left that girl next door thing a long time ago.

They knew and did not care at all about some intern or contract employee “hooking up” with Matt

Should they have? Consenting adults.

Anonymous wrote:Some of you really rush to judgment when in reality, you have NO idea what Katie Couric knew or did. It's disturbing and I don't believe for a second that any one of you would jeopardize your own livelihoods in a similar situation, especially if you were a single mother caring for two young daughters. It makes you seem really angry and unhinged.

How many people at work "pinch" your "ass"?

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are levels of knowing. She may have genuinely been consciously unaware. That's not to say she shouldn't do some reflecting about why she wasn't more consciously aware than she was, and taking some responsibility for that.

I saw the video of Savannah Guthrie and Hoda Kotb announcing Matt's departure. There was genuine emotion there - they weren't faking their distress. That said, I think they have some levels of knowing that they need to account for to themselves, too.

Yes, Savannah was genuinely concerned because she was wondering WTF might happen with her job. She knew and she looked the other way.

I think they sent a clear message to the other victims. We will not support you. We loooovvveee Matt. Look at me crying...you think I will cry you? They knew and did not care at all about some intern or contract employee “hooking up” with Matt. Matt is at their level. The others are not and are unimportant.

How dare women be responsible for their own consensual sexual acts!!! The horror!

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Anonymous wrote:did she say she didn't know? She was on the record long ago saying that Lauer pinched her ass. She's a victim of his hideous behavior.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-pinches-katie-couric/

No, she's a victim of her own ego and climb to power. If Matt did this years ago, why didn't she raise the roof about it then?

Right, she should sacrifice her own career and well-being to take him down. And, she talked about him pinching her ass in 2012. Is that early enough? When would have been early enough?

Sometimes, it takes people willing to tolerate and work with jackasses like Lauer to make change from the inside out.

That's the difference between a strong sister and a weak sister. Yes, she should have sacrificed being in that high position. But I guess you wouldn't care if your own daughter had been one of his victims, eh?

My daughter can take care of herself. You might consider teaching your own daughter. Have you talked to her regularly growing up? Do you discuss these things now? It’s best to establish a consistent rapport with your daughters.
Does your daughter play sports? These are modern times - teach your daughter to be a leader and not a victim.

+100

You also have to make your daughter not expect men to do things or give her things. There are too many women around who have a princess mentality. They expect men to open doors, carry this, buy drinks, give gifts. These things are not free and you are not on equal footing when someone gives you something. They expect something in return.