Anonymous
01/10/2018 22:10
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.
It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).
I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).
What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.
Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.
Asians don't really count as diversity in DC.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 22:07
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.
It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).
I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).
What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.
Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.
Fun with numbers: In raw numbers Deal has more Asian students (60 v. 37) since it is larger. Similarly, Deal has more black students than Hardy has total students.
The only factors for people who have the option of weighing a choice between these schools is size and IBMYP versus traditional curriculum (and apparently uniforms).
The demographics for Hardy - as a small school - will continue to change dramatically in the next year or two also... so would keep an eye out for the differences next year even if you are following trends.
They won't change much if DCPS maintains roughly the same OOB enrollment even as IB goes up. DCPS doesn't want to face the resulting political sh*#storm from cutting OOB much at Hardy.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 16:17
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.
It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).
I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).
What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.
Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.
Fun with numbers: In raw numbers Deal has more Asian students (60 v. 37) since it is larger. Similarly, Deal has more black students than Hardy has total students.
The only factors for people who have the option of weighing a choice between these schools is size and IBMYP versus traditional curriculum (and apparently uniforms).
The demographics for Hardy - as a small school - will continue to change dramatically in the next year or two also... so would keep an eye out for the differences next year even if you are following trends.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 16:06
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.
It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).
I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).
What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.
Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.
Fun with numbers: In raw numbers Deal has more Asian students (60 v. 37) since it is larger. Similarly, Deal has more black students than Hardy has total students.
The only factors for people who have the option of weighing a choice between these schools is size and IBMYP versus traditional curriculum (and apparently uniforms).
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:55
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe there should be uniforms at Deal and Wilson?
Ew, no.
My kids would never like a school uniform. One of the reasons why we're glad not to have been down-zoned out of the Deal district.
Oh god please get over yourself.
-A Deal parent
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:39
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.
It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).
I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).
What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.
Well either more Asian students live IB, or they lottery in from other parts of the city. Since few, if any, can lottery into Deal, there you will only find Asians who live in the attendance zone.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:37
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.
It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).
I'm a PP IB for Deal. I was curious about this and just looked up the DCPS profiles for Hardy vs. Deal. I see that the Asian % at Hardy (10%) is more than twice that at Deal (4%).
What's up with that? Is there a neighborhood IB for Hardy that has a lot of Asians, or one of the feeders? Just curious, and am 1/2 Asian myself.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:33
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
So educated parents visit the school and talk to other parents in order to find out whether it's too structured for them. They don't make that judgment based on seeing some kids in uniforms.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the derailing uniform bullshit. Please move on Hardy hater and devote your energies elsewhere. Our educated, double income, white, home owning family is very happy with Hardy, including the uniform which, by the way, does not include logo'd clothing, unless you want it. Khakis and a navy top is about as low key as you can go and my son looks handsome every single day. But thanks for the 100th history lesson about what uniforms REALLY mean in an urban setting, PP. You suck.
+1. I've been following this thread a bit and live IB for Deal (parent of a much younger kid). These PPs who perseverate on the uniforms issue are tiresome. Who cares about any supposed association with an "urban" setting decades ago, when many of us were in elementary school ourselves?
+1 billion. This uniform obsession is really odd to this Brent parent who looooves (current) uniform requirement and views uniforms at Hardy a plus factor over Deal.
I don’t know about “obsession,” but the uniforms are a “plus factor” for you. Is it so hard to believe that others also consider them a plus or a minus?
I do think there’s a perception that uniforms are associated with a more structured school environment, too, which might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:31
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the derailing uniform bullshit. Please move on Hardy hater and devote your energies elsewhere. Our educated, double income, white, home owning family is very happy with Hardy, including the uniform which, by the way, does not include logo'd clothing, unless you want it. Khakis and a navy top is about as low key as you can go and my son looks handsome every single day. But thanks for the 100th history lesson about what uniforms REALLY mean in an urban setting, PP. You suck.
+1. I've been following this thread a bit and live IB for Deal (parent of a much younger kid). These PPs who perseverate on the uniforms issue are tiresome. Who cares about any supposed association with an "urban" setting decades ago, when many of us were in elementary school ourselves?
+1 billion. This uniform obsession is really odd to this Brent parent who looooves (current) uniform requirement and views uniforms at Hardy a plus factor over Deal.
I don’t know about “obsession,” but the uniforms are a “plus factor” for you. Is it so hard to believe that others also consider them a plus or a minus?
I do think there’s a perception that uniforms are associated with a more structured school environment, too, which might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:30
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
+1000!Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the derailing uniform bullshit. Please move on Hardy hater and devote your energies elsewhere. Our educated, double income, white, home owning family is very happy with Hardy, including the uniform which, by the way, does not include logo'd clothing, unless you want it. Khakis and a navy top is about as low key as you can go and my son looks handsome every single day. But thanks for the 100th history lesson about what uniforms REALLY mean in an urban setting, PP. You suck.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:29
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
It's only troubling to posters like pp.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:School uniforms
https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/DCPS%20School%20Uniform%20Donation%20Guideline.pdf
Im guessing that “contact the school” means no uniform? I’m obviously way behind on all things DC and not perfectly up on my geography either, but glancing at this list...it looks like most of the schools in the tony parts of town don’t have uniforms, not do the application schools, but that the other schools do. Is that essentially the controversy?
Yes.
Of course, some tony private schools like Saint Albans have uniforms, so there's seemingly a paradox. But the public school uniform has a different meaning, given that in the Eighties/Nineties urban schools that were considered ungovernable adopted uniforms to instill a sense of discipline (and so that the kids wouldn't be robbing each other (or worse) over some trendy article of clothing). Either way, the uniform has a troubled connotation, which is why Hardy should join Deal in not having a uniform requirement.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 15:23
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the derailing uniform bullshit. Please move on Hardy hater and devote your energies elsewhere. Our educated, double income, white, home owning family is very happy with Hardy, including the uniform which, by the way, does not include logo'd clothing, unless you want it. Khakis and a navy top is about as low key as you can go and my son looks handsome every single day. But thanks for the 100th history lesson about what uniforms REALLY mean in an urban setting, PP. You suck.
+1. I've been following this thread a bit and live IB for Deal (parent of a much younger kid). These PPs who perseverate on the uniforms issue are tiresome. Who cares about any supposed association with an "urban" setting decades ago, when many of us were in elementary school ourselves?
+1 billion. This uniform obsession is really odd to this Brent parent who looooves (current) uniform requirement and views uniforms at Hardy a plus factor over Deal.
The Hardy "uniform obsession" is limited to the DCUM universe. It is not a thing IRL... It's just race baiting for this forum and totally weird. (another high HHI White IB Hardy family).
Anonymous
01/10/2018 14:38
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the derailing uniform bullshit. Please move on Hardy hater and devote your energies elsewhere. Our educated, double income, white, home owning family is very happy with Hardy, including the uniform which, by the way, does not include logo'd clothing, unless you want it. Khakis and a navy top is about as low key as you can go and my son looks handsome every single day. But thanks for the 100th history lesson about what uniforms REALLY mean in an urban setting, PP. You suck.
+1. I've been following this thread a bit and live IB for Deal (parent of a much younger kid). These PPs who perseverate on the uniforms issue are tiresome. Who cares about any supposed association with an "urban" setting decades ago, when many of us were in elementary school ourselves?
+1 billion. This uniform obsession is really odd to this Brent parent who looooves (current) uniform requirement and views uniforms at Hardy a plus factor over Deal.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 13:28
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe there should be uniforms at Deal and Wilson?
Ew, no.
My kids would never like a school uniform. One of the reasons why we're glad not to have been down-zoned out of the Deal district.
You don't know that. If kids start school by w/flexible uniforms in PK, they hardly think about the arrangement. We're on the left politically, contrarians, and a little bohemian in a tree hugging, Burkenstock-wearing way. We love DCPS school uniforms that aren't too strict because they make our lives easier, and more affordable than the alternative, and probably help poor kids. We're given hand-me-down uniforms by other parents in the school community, and hand them down ourselves, which rocks.
Anonymous
01/10/2018 13:25
Subject: Hardy vs. Deal
Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives next to Hardy and walks by it every day when the kids are arriving, I can say that the school appears to be extremely diverse by this region's standards. Lots of white, black and Asian kids. A smattering of Hispanics. The Asian cohort is actually outsized relative to their population in DC, IMHO.
It reminds me of my own extremely diverse public high school experience in Southern California (a good thing, imho).
True, it is almost as diverse as Deal and Wilson now. Deal and Wilson have no majority population, and Hardy is getting very close to the same.