Anonymous wrote:The Ritchie Park change was like 30 years ago. No one who owned then is sending kids to school anymore. RM has also totally changed with the magnet, King Farm, FallsGrove, Parc Potomac.

They still own the homes you moron. Many of whom will be selling in the next 10 years.

And adding a program that actually decreases local RM non-Ib kids chances of getting into decent colleges and adding a few new developments, doesn't negate how trashy the school is.

The Ritchie Park change was like 30 years ago. No one who owned then is sending kids to school anymore. RM has also totally changed with the magnet, King Farm, FallsGrove, Parc Potomac.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for Wooton to have a lot of FARMS kids transferred in and all the people living in the district lose $500,000 on their homes. They’ll all be upside down on their mortgages. It will be great.

When they rezoned Horizon Hill from Wootton to RM people didn't move. They just sent their kids to private school. Property values aren't down *that* much compared to the Wootton cluster. *Maybe* it'll go down by $50K or so. You are quite nasty, though, to wish that on people. Why so jealous?

I don't live in Wootton cluster, btw.

Um, the prices are about $100K different from houses in Horizon Hill compared to Fallsmead and Fox Hills West.

But yes, Horizon Hill STILL has a ton of kids in private school. It is just a thing there.

Not really.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/1313-Fallsmead-Way-20854/home/10517763

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/7-Olmstead-Ct-20854/home/10525042

And there are lots of kids who go to private school who live in Churchill and Whitman. So what?

The Olmstead one has 1 more bathroom, is remodeled, new floors, brand new kitchen, etc... it has been on the market for 50 days

The other one was just listed. Nothing remodeled, 1 less full bath. Still over $50K higher and will sell this week for that low price.

So yes, the first will eventually sell for $700K and the other will sell for $780K and you will have to put $30K minimum into it for updates.

The fallsmead home is bigger, has a better and more traditional floor plan, and is further from the road (not backing into a major street)

Also, look at the homes sold in the last year between the two neighborhoods. The price difference for comparable homes is closer to $50K, and in some cases about the same.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/26-Rock-Falls-Ct-20854/home/10534881

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/17-Blueberry-Ridge-Ct-20854/home/10525368

It's just not apples to apples comparing neighborhoods. We can probably find plenty of examples where the home prices were equal and where they were not. In general, the Horizon Hill homes will be larger than those in Fallsmead. Whether the neighborhoods are comparable in price is really unclear. I imagine that if Horizon Hill were put in the catchment for Fallsmead ES, Horizon Hill homes would probably be higher priced than Fallsmead Homes. So there is likely some minor adjustment for schools, but it isn't as big as $100k. If Horizon Hill were put into Cold Spring, I imagine the price change would be similarly up a bit.

MCPS should not make educational decisions based on the possible future effects of those decisions on the property values of people who own property. That seems pretty basic and fundamental to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for Wooton to have a lot of FARMS kids transferred in and all the people living in the district lose $500,000 on their homes. They’ll all be upside down on their mortgages. It will be great.

When they rezoned Horizon Hill from Wootton to RM people didn't move. They just sent their kids to private school. Property values aren't down *that* much compared to the Wootton cluster. *Maybe* it'll go down by $50K or so. You are quite nasty, though, to wish that on people. Why so jealous?

I don't live in Wootton cluster, btw.

Um, the prices are about $100K different from houses in Horizon Hill compared to Fallsmead and Fox Hills West.

But yes, Horizon Hill STILL has a ton of kids in private school. It is just a thing there.

Not really.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/1313-Fallsmead-Way-20854/home/10517763

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/7-Olmstead-Ct-20854/home/10525042

And there are lots of kids who go to private school who live in Churchill and Whitman. So what?

The Olmstead one has 1 more bathroom, is remodeled, new floors, brand new kitchen, etc... it has been on the market for 50 days

The other one was just listed. Nothing remodeled, 1 less full bath. Still over $50K higher and will sell this week for that low price.

So yes, the first will eventually sell for $700K and the other will sell for $780K and you will have to put $30K minimum into it for updates.

The fallsmead home is bigger, has a better and more traditional floor plan, and is further from the road (not backing into a major street)

Also, look at the homes sold in the last year between the two neighborhoods. The price difference for comparable homes is closer to $50K, and in some cases about the same.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/26-Rock-Falls-Ct-20854/home/10534881

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/17-Blueberry-Ridge-Ct-20854/home/10525368

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The areas that feed into RM that are next to the Wootton cluster are really nice. I thought RM was very attractive to people because as long as your child has the grades and scores then they can go into the IB program which is just as good if not better than taking the top classes at Wootton. (Its harsh but if your kid can't get into the IB program from being in boundary in RM then they wouldn't do very well at Wootton either.)

I'm the PP and I would agree. We actually chose the RM cluster just for this reason - the in cluster IB program advantage. But, if they aren't at that level, then RM has a track for them, too - AP or not. Didn't want the pressure cooker environment at Wootton if they aren't going to be super achievers.

I also liked RM cluster because it's probably the most diverse cluster in the whole of MCPS. It's got a really good balance and well rounded student body.

Not really.

RM: 24.7% Asian, 17.5% black, 23.4% Hispanic, 29.5% white, 8.9% ESOL, 19.5% FARMs, 7.0% SPED, 37.4% ever FARMs
Northwest: 20.0% Asian, 26.3% black, 20.5% Hispanic, 28.0% white, <5.0% ESOL, 22.5% FARMs, 9.8% SPED, 43.2% ever FARMs
Clarksburg: 19.0% Asian, 28.9% black, 27.9% Hispanic, 19.8% white, 8.0% ESOL, 26.8% FARMs, 9.4% SPED, 51.6% ever FARMs
MCPS high school: 14.7% Asian, 21.4% black, 29.5% Hispanic, 30.0% white, 11.2% ESOL, 27.0% FARMs, 10.0% SPED, 46.1% ever FARMs

So you looked at every high school in the county and found two that looked close to RM and said RM is not the most diverse? This pretty much verifies it’s if not the most diverse, among the most diverse. I’m not sure why you think these other two are more diverse. I’m ignoring the last one that says “MCPS High School”.

MCPS high school is the overall MCPS high school enrollment.

It is well-known that Northwest and Clarksburg both have very diverse student bodies.

Northwest I could agree may be considered more diverse so there's one high school more diverse than RM and RM does a better job teaching. Clarksburg on the other hand? It looks like it's mostly black and hispanic. This reminds me of a post I saw on some other forum where an African American woman wanted a "diverse" high school - mostly black. Clarksburg isn't as diverse as the other two. White's and Asians are underrepresented.

Only on DCUM would 57% be "mostly". Not to mention that Clarksburg HS has more Asian-American students and fewer Hispanic students than the MCPS high school student population overall, yet you're saying that Asian-American students are underrepresented and Hispanic students are overrepresented.

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The areas that feed into RM that are next to the Wootton cluster are really nice. I thought RM was very attractive to people because as long as your child has the grades and scores then they can go into the IB program which is just as good if not better than taking the top classes at Wootton. (Its harsh but if your kid can't get into the IB program from being in boundary in RM then they wouldn't do very well at Wootton either.)

I'm the PP and I would agree. We actually chose the RM cluster just for this reason - the in cluster IB program advantage. But, if they aren't at that level, then RM has a track for them, too - AP or not. Didn't want the pressure cooker environment at Wootton if they aren't going to be super achievers.

I also liked RM cluster because it's probably the most diverse cluster in the whole of MCPS. It's got a really good balance and well rounded student body.

Not really.

RM: 24.7% Asian, 17.5% black, 23.4% Hispanic, 29.5% white, 8.9% ESOL, 19.5% FARMs, 7.0% SPED, 37.4% ever FARMs
Northwest: 20.0% Asian, 26.3% black, 20.5% Hispanic, 28.0% white, <5.0% ESOL, 22.5% FARMs, 9.8% SPED, 43.2% ever FARMs
Clarksburg: 19.0% Asian, 28.9% black, 27.9% Hispanic, 19.8% white, 8.0% ESOL, 26.8% FARMs, 9.4% SPED, 51.6% ever FARMs
MCPS high school: 14.7% Asian, 21.4% black, 29.5% Hispanic, 30.0% white, 11.2% ESOL, 27.0% FARMs, 10.0% SPED, 46.1% ever FARMs

So you looked at every high school in the county and found two that looked close to RM and said RM is not the most diverse? This pretty much verifies it’s if not the most diverse, among the most diverse. I’m not sure why you think these other two are more diverse. I’m ignoring the last one that says “MCPS High School”.

MCPS high school is the overall MCPS high school enrollment.

It is well-known that Northwest and Clarksburg both have very diverse student bodies.

Northwest I could agree may be considered more diverse so there's one high school more diverse than RM and RM does a better job teaching. Clarksburg on the other hand? It looks like it's mostly black and hispanic. This reminds me of a post I saw on some other forum where an African American woman wanted a "diverse" high school - mostly black. Clarksburg isn't as diverse as the other two. White's and Asians are underrepresented.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for Wooton to have a lot of FARMS kids transferred in and all the people living in the district lose $500,000 on their homes. They’ll all be upside down on their mortgages. It will be great.

When they rezoned Horizon Hill from Wootton to RM people didn't move. They just sent their kids to private school. Property values aren't down *that* much compared to the Wootton cluster. *Maybe* it'll go down by $50K or so. You are quite nasty, though, to wish that on people. Why so jealous?

I don't live in Wootton cluster, btw.

Um, the prices are about $100K different from houses in Horizon Hill compared to Fallsmead and Fox Hills West.

But yes, Horizon Hill STILL has a ton of kids in private school. It is just a thing there.

Not really.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/1313-Fallsmead-Way-20854/home/10517763

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/7-Olmstead-Ct-20854/home/10525042

And there are lots of kids who go to private school who live in Churchill and Whitman. So what?

The Olmstead one has 1 more bathroom, is remodeled, new floors, brand new kitchen, etc... it has been on the market for 50 days

The other one was just listed. Nothing remodeled, 1 less full bath. Still over $50K higher and will sell this week for that low price.

So yes, the first will eventually sell for $700K and the other will sell for $780K and you will have to put $30K minimum into it for updates.

The fallsmead home is bigger, has a better and more traditional floor plan, and is further from the road (not backing into a major street)

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I dont think it went away, just moved. that whole area is so sketchy. It has pockets of nice new development, but the rest is just sketchy. So my opposition is based on the neighborhood the school is in, which is not going to change

Crown Farm, totally sketchy. Right. Have you been there since they started building?

That poster is talking about Gaithersburg High School and the neighborhood it’s in. Not the new Crown Farm high school and Crown Farm.

My kids are at RM. We all know where the drugs are sold. I am assuming (unfortunately) every HS has a spot..

Was the PP currently zoned for College Gardens thinking that their kid was going to walk to Gaithersburg HS? Otherwise I'm just not understanding neighborhood "sketchiness" as a reason for opposition. And isn't College Gardens ES also in a neighborhood that DCUM considers "sketchy"?

Actually it looks like it's an easy bus ride from College Gardens area to Gaithersburg HS on the #55 RideOn. But maybe the PP thinks the RideOn is "sketchy" too.

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I dont think it went away, just moved. that whole area is so sketchy. It has pockets of nice new development, but the rest is just sketchy. So my opposition is based on the neighborhood the school is in, which is not going to change

Crown Farm, totally sketchy. Right. Have you been there since they started building?

That poster is talking about Gaithersburg High School and the neighborhood it’s in. Not the new Crown Farm high school and Crown Farm.

My kids are at RM. We all know where the drugs are sold. I am assuming (unfortunately) every HS has a spot..

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I dont think it went away, just moved. that whole area is so sketchy. It has pockets of nice new development, but the rest is just sketchy. So my opposition is based on the neighborhood the school is in, which is not going to change

Crown Farm, totally sketchy. Right. Have you been there since they started building?

That poster is talking about Gaithersburg High School and the neighborhood it’s in. Not the new Crown Farm high school and Crown Farm.

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I dont think it went away, just moved. that whole area is so sketchy. It has pockets of nice new development, but the rest is just sketchy. So my opposition is based on the neighborhood the school is in, which is not going to change

Crown Farm, totally sketchy. Right. Have you been there since they started building?

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The areas that feed into RM that are next to the Wootton cluster are really nice. I thought RM was very attractive to people because as long as your child has the grades and scores then they can go into the IB program which is just as good if not better than taking the top classes at Wootton. (Its harsh but if your kid can't get into the IB program from being in boundary in RM then they wouldn't do very well at Wootton either.)

I'm the PP and I would agree. We actually chose the RM cluster just for this reason - the in cluster IB program advantage. But, if they aren't at that level, then RM has a track for them, too - AP or not. Didn't want the pressure cooker environment at Wootton if they aren't going to be super achievers.

I also liked RM cluster because it's probably the most diverse cluster in the whole of MCPS. It's got a really good balance and well rounded student body.

Not really.

RM: 24.7% Asian, 17.5% black, 23.4% Hispanic, 29.5% white, 8.9% ESOL, 19.5% FARMs, 7.0% SPED, 37.4% ever FARMs
Northwest: 20.0% Asian, 26.3% black, 20.5% Hispanic, 28.0% white, <5.0% ESOL, 22.5% FARMs, 9.8% SPED, 43.2% ever FARMs
Clarksburg: 19.0% Asian, 28.9% black, 27.9% Hispanic, 19.8% white, 8.0% ESOL, 26.8% FARMs, 9.4% SPED, 51.6% ever FARMs
MCPS high school: 14.7% Asian, 21.4% black, 29.5% Hispanic, 30.0% white, 11.2% ESOL, 27.0% FARMs, 10.0% SPED, 46.1% ever FARMs

So you looked at every high school in the county and found two that looked close to RM and said RM is not the most diverse? This pretty much verifies it’s if not the most diverse, among the most diverse. I’m not sure why you think these other two are more diverse. I’m ignoring the last one that says “MCPS High School”.

MCPS high school is the overall MCPS high school enrollment.

It is well-known that Northwest and Clarksburg both have very diverse student bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for Wooton to have a lot of FARMS kids transferred in and all the people living in the district lose $500,000 on their homes. They’ll all be upside down on their mortgages. It will be great.

When they rezoned Horizon Hill from Wootton to RM people didn't move. They just sent their kids to private school. Property values aren't down *that* much compared to the Wootton cluster. *Maybe* it'll go down by $50K or so. You are quite nasty, though, to wish that on people. Why so jealous?

I don't live in Wootton cluster, btw.

Um, the prices are about $100K different from houses in Horizon Hill compared to Fallsmead and Fox Hills West.

But yes, Horizon Hill STILL has a ton of kids in private school. It is just a thing there.

Not really.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/1313-Fallsmead-Way-20854/home/10517763

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Rockville/7-Olmstead-Ct-20854/home/10525042

And there are lots of kids who go to private school who live in Churchill and Whitman. So what?

The Olmstead one has 1 more bathroom, is remodeled, new floors, brand new kitchen, etc... it has been on the market for 50 days

The other one was just listed. Nothing remodeled, 1 less full bath. Still over $50K higher and will sell this week for that low price.

So yes, the first will eventually sell for $700K and the other will sell for $780K and you will have to put $30K minimum into it for updates.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, CGES parent here. This whole thing is just too much, we just went through RMES#5 boundary craziness, I just cant even think about yet another messed up study. Hopefully this will happen after my kid is done with school. FWIW, I dont mind going to Crown, but I would mind going to Gaithersburg, if we are zoned there, we will go private

How can you say you would not mind going to Crown (which does even exist) but would mind going to a future Gaithersburg with very different boundaries? Gaithersburg will likely lose some lower income neighborhoods to Crown and gain some upper income neighborhood from RM (King Farm or Derwood). It may end up being very similar to the current RM. I do cringe at the craziness involved though.

+1. If they do redone the whole area, Gaithersburg and RM will not look like they currently do.

CGES PP here. My opposition to Gaithersburg HS is not (at least entirely) based on current demographics of the school, as they will change. It is based mostly on the area where said school is located. The school is next to very nice park, BUT it is also across the street from one of the sketchiest establishments in the area. I think the place was finally closed down last year, but for years there was a drug market across the school with a front of antique shop/restaurant. My step son got busted buying drugs there twice, so not hearsay.

So your opposition to your kids attending Gaithersburg in the future is a problem that has already gone away?

I dont think it went away, just moved. that whole area is so sketchy. It has pockets of nice new development, but the rest is just sketchy. So my opposition is based on the neighborhood the school is in, which is not going to change