Anonymous
Post 12/10/2017 21:11     Subject: Re:Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?

This is schools' own bad behavior coming back to bite them. If they actually provided services and support kids need, they would be confident enough to speed placements as needed. But they drag their feet for everyone, and can't solve their own big problems forthrightly as a result. Do not blame IDEA!


No, it is not. Schools drag their feet because of copious layers of red tape, federal law and directives from higher ups about limiting the number of sped referrals. Even though it is illegal to try and cap sped numbers, EVERY school district does it. No teacher likes it. And schools wouldn't try and cap referrals if they were actually given the $$$ needed to support students. The sole reason for this is money. The law is unwieldy and creates a shit show. The idea that only a tiny percentage of students have specials needs it complete and utter bullshit. I'd wager that close to 10% of students have special needs in one form or another, but no one wants to pay 30K a year in property taxes on a 200K house to fund the support needed. This funding issue falls squarely on the federal government and how it mismanages funds. If we weren't spending so much $$$ on wars and defense we might actually have the money our own kids need.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2017 07:19     Subject: Re:Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he in the ED program?


OP is better off w/o the coding. Once the kid is coded, I can guarantee that they'll claim the behavior manifests from his issues. Right now, she can follow up with a police report. Keep a paper trail. CPS should be called, too, b/c this is not behavior that's normal. And document with the union.


I hate this kind of pernicious myth. An IEP does NOT mean a child has the right to violently threaten the rest of the class or teachers. If this disruptive behavior comes from his disability, then that's a reason to give him an appropriate placement or more support! And kids with IEPs can absolutely be suspended or disciplined (just look on the stats on that -- they are.) The IEP gives you MORE avenues, not fewer. Also, none of the other measures you listed are incompatible with having an IEP in place. Not that I necessarily agree with this, but you can still call the police, CPS, and your union if the kid has an IEP.


no shit, Sherlock

However, suspensions and expulsions with an ED coding are close to impossible. You clearly don't know the game very well or haven't been around long enough to see trends.



This is schools' own bad behavior coming back to bite them. If they actually provided services and support kids need, they would be confident enough to speed placements as needed. But they drag their feet for everyone, and can't solve their own big problems forthrightly as a result. Do not blame IDEA!
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2017 06:11     Subject: Re:Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he in the ED program?


OP is better off w/o the coding. Once the kid is coded, I can guarantee that they'll claim the behavior manifests from his issues. Right now, she can follow up with a police report. Keep a paper trail. CPS should be called, too, b/c this is not behavior that's normal. And document with the union.


I hate this kind of pernicious myth. An IEP does NOT mean a child has the right to violently threaten the rest of the class or teachers. If this disruptive behavior comes from his disability, then that's a reason to give him an appropriate placement or more support! And kids with IEPs can absolutely be suspended or disciplined (just look on the stats on that -- they are.) The IEP gives you MORE avenues, not fewer. Also, none of the other measures you listed are incompatible with having an IEP in place. Not that I necessarily agree with this, but you can still call the police, CPS, and your union if the kid has an IEP.


no shit, Sherlock

However, suspensions and expulsions with an ED coding are close to impossible. You clearly don't know the game very well or haven't been around long enough to see trends.



Yep. Sat in many manifestation determination meetings for the same child over two years. Same result (not responsible) each time. Parents fought placement in an ED program. Only ended when the student was promoted to HS at the end of eighth grade.

IEPs and BIPs are great for academic issues and minor behavior. They don’t stop violent behavior.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2017 05:53     Subject: Re:Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he in the ED program?


OP is better off w/o the coding. Once the kid is coded, I can guarantee that they'll claim the behavior manifests from his issues. Right now, she can follow up with a police report. Keep a paper trail. CPS should be called, too, b/c this is not behavior that's normal. And document with the union.


I hate this kind of pernicious myth. An IEP does NOT mean a child has the right to violently threaten the rest of the class or teachers. If this disruptive behavior comes from his disability, then that's a reason to give him an appropriate placement or more support! And kids with IEPs can absolutely be suspended or disciplined (just look on the stats on that -- they are.) The IEP gives you MORE avenues, not fewer. Also, none of the other measures you listed are incompatible with having an IEP in place. Not that I necessarily agree with this, but you can still call the police, CPS, and your union if the kid has an IEP.


no shit, Sherlock

However, suspensions and expulsions with an ED coding are close to impossible. You clearly don't know the game very well or haven't been around long enough to see trends.

Anonymous
Post 12/04/2017 19:57     Subject: Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:Teacher, Calm down. You are upset at the wrong people. The problem is your school's administration. There are a lot of things they can do beyond the IEP process. You need to put a note into writing to your principal and cc the special needs office for your district. Explain the situation and tell them you need additional staffing to help with this issue and you need a consultation from a behavioral specialist who can help you with strategies to manage the child's behavior.

You should also look at what YOU are doing to trigger the behaviors if anything. I am not saying you are doing something wrong but you might be inadvertently upsetting the child.

Lastly, try to have some empathy. Your post comes off sounding kind of crazy. What kind of teacher would sue parents?


She doesn't sound crazy at all she sounds frustrated. Probably because she's bruised up and tired of parents saying things like, "what are you doing to deserve this?" Sorry but if your child is violent in the classroom FOR ANY REASON s/he needs to not be mainstreamed.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2017 11:14     Subject: Re:Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he in the ED program?


OP is better off w/o the coding. Once the kid is coded, I can guarantee that they'll claim the behavior manifests from his issues. Right now, she can follow up with a police report. Keep a paper trail. CPS should be called, too, b/c this is not behavior that's normal. And document with the union.


I hate this kind of pernicious myth. An IEP does NOT mean a child has the right to violently threaten the rest of the class or teachers. If this disruptive behavior comes from his disability, then that's a reason to give him an appropriate placement or more support! And kids with IEPs can absolutely be suspended or disciplined (just look on the stats on that -- they are.) The IEP gives you MORE avenues, not fewer. Also, none of the other measures you listed are incompatible with having an IEP in place. Not that I necessarily agree with this, but you can still call the police, CPS, and your union if the kid has an IEP.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2017 11:10     Subject: Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Since he is not considered special ed, why hasn't he been suspended or expelled?



This post is off. Surely a teacher couldn't be this incompetent. Troll?


omg

Those of you not in the system should back off.

Read the Code of Conduct. Anything goes.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2017 11:09     Subject: Re:Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:Why isn't he in the ED program?


OP is better off w/o the coding. Once the kid is coded, I can guarantee that they'll claim the behavior manifests from his issues. Right now, she can follow up with a police report. Keep a paper trail. CPS should be called, too, b/c this is not behavior that's normal. And document with the union.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2017 11:07     Subject: Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
Anonymous wrote:Op here, I am a public school teacher. I teach in an elementary school and am strongly considering suing a student's parents because of his extreme behavior. Example:He kicked me violently today and left my leg iwth blue and black marks. He scratched my arm and I will not have a permanent scar. The state of MD to my knowledge does not have educational neglect laws like the state of NY. His parents have refused to want to allow the school to get him evaluated for an IEP. I am documenting on my end to no avail. There are so many student protection laws but none for teachers/admin or students who are at risk of being harmed by a student who should not be with the general population. I am literally fearful to be in the classroom. His behavior has now escalated to hitting and throwing chairs or items at other students. Does anyone know an organization that might help me?

Getting an IEP is not a fast-tracked process, it takes about 5 months of data collection before anything really gets rolling, which means by the time a student gets an IEP the school year is over. I am tired of being abused by the children of neglectful parents.

Thank you.


File a police report. I've encouraged colleagues to do so. Admin will hate it, but who cares?
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2017 08:52     Subject: Suing Parents for their child's violent behavior?
I'm a teacher. The problem is your administration. Look for another job - no matter what happens with this kid, there will be another. Your principal is throwing you under the bus because it's too much trouble for him/her to do something about it.