Anonymous
12/04/2017 09:18
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Calling anyone with ambivalence about sending their kids to SH a racist is not the most persuasive argument for encouraging IB enrollment, but it's certainly the most predictable on DCUM.
+100. Who isn't at least a little racist around here?
The strident LT boosters don't seem to want to boost IB enrollment at SH as much as to screen for the like-minded. So glad we're at an ES that's already turned in the upper grades, so we don't have to walk on eggshells around name callers.
What posts are you reading? Seriously? What does that even mean? LT is a DCPS school with an IB catchment area. There is no choosing or excluding those kids. And no one on this board has argued for that. Furthermore no one is arguing IB isn't good; what we've argued is kids re-enrolling into MS is an essential first step when the school from which they rise has good scores and good culture. Were your reading comprehension skills at grade level you would have noticed that the only people on this board that have argued for homogeneity are Brent and SWS families...and they did it openly and proudly. Also, ES that have improved in the upper grades on the Hill have scores the same or less good than LT...the very school whose boosters you misunderstand. But yet again, there you go making my point for me. You set out that you are in an ES that has improved in the upper grades and while you are incapable of seeing that LT has as well. But it does have brown people and poors, as you point out. So it can't really have turned I guess.
Anonymous
12/01/2017 21:32
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Calling anyone with ambivalence about sending their kids to SH a racist is not the most persuasive argument for encouraging IB enrollment, but it's certainly the most predictable on DCUM.
+100. Who isn't at least a little racist around here?
The strident LT boosters don't seem to want to boost IB enrollment at SH as much as to screen for the like-minded. So glad we're at an ES that's already turned in the upper grades, so we don't have to walk on eggshells around name callers.
Please stop using such offensive, racist terms as 'turned'. If you truly do not mean to be to saying that you require that your child go to a school that has predominantly white, not disadvantaged children, then find different terminology. Otherwise, you need to come to terms with the fact that you are more than a little racist. Moreover, you do your school community no favors by presenting that you've chosen that school for such morally offensive reasons. Lastly, your comment supports that parents are not wise enough to see beyond demographics and make choices based on information as opposed to bias - you are a reason for less school choice.
Turned majority in-boundary. Horrors in a system with neighborhood schools!
Anonymous
12/01/2017 14:07
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Calling anyone with ambivalence about sending their kids to SH a racist is not the most persuasive argument for encouraging IB enrollment, but it's certainly the most predictable on DCUM.
+100. Who isn't at least a little racist around here?
The strident LT boosters don't seem to want to boost IB enrollment at SH as much as to screen for the like-minded. So glad we're at an ES that's already turned in the upper grades, so we don't have to walk on eggshells around name callers.
Please stop using such offensive, racist terms as 'turned'. If you truly do not mean to be to saying that you require that your child go to a school that has predominantly white, not disadvantaged children, then find different terminology. Otherwise, you need to come to terms with the fact that you are more than a little racist. Moreover, you do your school community no favors by presenting that you've chosen that school for such morally offensive reasons. Lastly, your comment supports that parents are not wise enough to see beyond demographics and make choices based on information as opposed to bias - you are a reason for less school choice.
What planet are you on where you think parents aren’t choosing SH based on “information?” THE TEST SCORES ARE HORRIBLE.
Anonymous
12/01/2017 12:12
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No one wants to be first, essentially. And SWS used to just be early ed, so there weren't 5th grade graduates before now.
The PARCC scores worry folks --
2017 % Proficient or Advanced
EH
ELA 5%
Math 9%
Those are likely skewed by the fact that 30% of the school population is SN (w/an IEP).
No - the students in the medically complex classrooms are not taking the PARC. And kids w/ autism aren't necessarily scoring low on the parc just because of their disability. You can't just use % of SN kids as an excuse for poor scores.
On learndc.org it shows that 0% of EH students with special needs were proficient or advanced on PARCC.
Fewer than 25 students at EH took the alternative assessment. I don't have time to do the math to figure out how many students may not have been tested at all, but that is rare. SN kids have to take PARCC or the MSAA.
Yes, I know it's rare. Are you familiar with the children in the medically complex classrooms at SWS? Maybe not. For some reason they shunt those kids to the basement. They are not taking the PARCC, I assure you.
There's a lot of BS to wade through in this thread, but this comment is particularly egregious and offensive. For starters, these are children with profoundly difficult medical conditions who are treated with compassion and love. The SWS community experienced a death of one student last year and it was a gut wrenching experience. To trivialize within the context of this tired CH MS thread is just wrong.
The PARCC is irrelevant -- the oldest students are in 2nd grade, but even if there were older students it's entirely besides the point. These are not students with IEPs or high functioning autism where an inclusion model is appropriate. Maximum capacity is 16 students and the numbers have varied between 12-16. The teacher and caregiver to student ratio is not comparable to an inclusive school model.
"Choose kindness"
Not the person to whom you are responding, but what on earth does the death of a student have to do with anything on this thread or to which you are responding? Dropping that little nugget within an otherwise reasonable response to the operational details of treatment of that population is disingenuous, and frankly offensive. Don't use tragedy as a weapon; it trivializes the tragedy and makes you worse than the person to whom you are responding.
Choose compassion and class, my dear.
don't be obtuse. PP referenced medically fragile kids being quarantined in basement. Right next to the PK3 kids fwiw
There's a profound lack of empathy here, whether talking about at risk, autistic, SN children, etc. It's embarrassing that these are the fellow parents in the public school ecosystem. The values espoused are just awful
Anonymous
12/01/2017 11:00
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Calling anyone with ambivalence about sending their kids to SH a racist is not the most persuasive argument for encouraging IB enrollment, but it's certainly the most predictable on DCUM.
+100. Who isn't at least a little racist around here?
The strident LT boosters don't seem to want to boost IB enrollment at SH as much as to screen for the like-minded. So glad we're at an ES that's already turned in the upper grades, so we don't have to walk on eggshells around name callers.
Please stop using such offensive, racist terms as 'turned'. If you truly do not mean to be to saying that you require that your child go to a school that has predominantly white, not disadvantaged children, then find different terminology. Otherwise, you need to come to terms with the fact that you are more than a little racist. Moreover, you do your school community no favors by presenting that you've chosen that school for such morally offensive reasons. Lastly, your comment supports that parents are not wise enough to see beyond demographics and make choices based on information as opposed to bias - you are a reason for less school choice.
Anonymous
12/01/2017 10:23
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Calling anyone with ambivalence about sending their kids to SH a racist is not the most persuasive argument for encouraging IB enrollment, but it's certainly the most predictable on DCUM.
+100. Who isn't at least a little racist around here?
The strident LT boosters don't seem to want to boost IB enrollment at SH as much as to screen for the like-minded. So glad we're at an ES that's already turned in the upper grades, so we don't have to walk on eggshells around name callers.
Anonymous
11/30/2017 15:06
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:If the SH feeders are doing so great why are the test scores at SH so abysmal?
Because most of the kids who do well at SH feeders don't go on to SH. And a lot of kids who did poorly at feeders and other schools wind up at SH.
Anonymous
11/30/2017 15:05
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Calling anyone with ambivalence about sending their kids to SH a racist is not the most persuasive argument for encouraging IB enrollment, but it's certainly the most predictable on DCUM.
Anonymous
11/30/2017 14:38
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:If the SH feeders are doing so great why are the test scores at SH so abysmal?
You cannot be that dense, can you? If you are too lazy to read the words then I cannot help you.
Anonymous
11/30/2017 14:05
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
If the SH feeders are doing so great why are the test scores at SH so abysmal?
Anonymous
11/30/2017 13:40
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not just LT that feeds into SH.
Well played...oh wait. There you go again with "feelings" instead of data. Quiz time!!!
The category is: PAARC scores for 4th and 5th graders (you know, the ones who are closest to MS). Between Brent, LT, Watkins and JO, of the following 4 categories, in how many does Brent have a higher percentage* of students scoring "proficient" (meaning 4 or 5) than all others?
4th grade ELA
4th grade math
5th grade ELA
5th grade math
If you guessed "zero", you win!
* Know why I phrased it like that? Because on the math 4th grade Watkins scored the same as Brent. And in 5th grade math Watinks in closer to Brent than Brent is to LT. So, yeah, SH is fed by not just LT. It also has Watkins and its educational outcomes feeding in as well. But you are not wrong that Brent is whiter, so there's that...
Why are you so angry at Brent? I feel like more parents I know understand that Brent has it own set of challenges and are working to fix them. I also know a set of Brent parents working hard to support our middle school feeder. I understand something happened in 2010 and then I guess again around the boundary review but I find it ironic that you attack people for not reading the data but then assume nothing has change at Brent. In the last 3 years, the Brent 5th grade has tripled in size. Do people still leave after 4th grade? Sure but we are proud of the changes we have going on as well.
Congrats on the progress you have made but attacking other communties is not helpful for anyone.
Not angry at Brent. A little frustrated by the reading comprehension of Brent supporters, but not Brent itself. The thread is about SH. As usual, Brent posters chimed in to sh*t on SH at the exact same time they express frustration that they are not a SH feeder. And they do it with a sense of entitlement that indicates that somehow no MS can succeed without them, usually by ignoring data and actual trends and replacing them with their own world view and/or a dated and historical understanding of ES and MS education. If you go back and read every single one of my responses you will see that I frequently comment that (i) Brent is an excellent school and (ii) I am sympathetic to the fact that they feel they don't have a viable MS option. Comparisons to Brent scores are illustrative of the actual data that shows that other schools, SH feeders in fact, are matching or outperforming Brent. Now were I to be making that case at the same time I bashed Brent I'd be as intellectually dishonest as the Brent poster. But I am not doing that. Brent has been the gold standard on the Hill (although, in truth, Maury outperforms it in all relevant metrics). The fact that LT and Watkins are at or near that level is a statement of fact, one which I harp on to illustrate the improvement of SH feeders (which, if you go back and read this thread, Brent supporters simply refuse to acknowledge as fact) as well as to explain why many of us believe that the trajectory of SH is quite positive.
With all due respect, look in the mirror. The people articulating the growth of SH feeders and reasons for a positive outlook for SH are not in fact bashing other schools. That behavior is limited to Brent families who continue to suggest that nothing is changing, nothing can possibly change, and only the presence of Brent could possibly solve the utter failure of Hill education.
P.S. The posters who come right out and say that a successful school isn't about measurable educational outcomes, but rather about being white and high SES-enough do in fact piss me off. And I'm a high SES white person.
Anonymous
11/30/2017 13:11
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not just LT that feeds into SH.
Well played...oh wait. There you go again with "feelings" instead of data. Quiz time!!!
The category is: PAARC scores for 4th and 5th graders (you know, the ones who are closest to MS). Between Brent, LT, Watkins and JO, of the following 4 categories, in how many does Brent have a higher percentage* of students scoring "proficient" (meaning 4 or 5) than all others?
4th grade ELA
4th grade math
5th grade ELA
5th grade math
If you guessed "zero", you win!
* Know why I phrased it like that? Because on the math 4th grade Watkins scored the same as Brent. And in 5th grade math Watinks in closer to Brent than Brent is to LT. So, yeah, SH is fed by not just LT. It also has Watkins and its educational outcomes feeding in as well. But you are not wrong that Brent is whiter, so there's that...
Why are you so angry at Brent? I feel like more parents I know understand that Brent has it own set of challenges and are working to fix them. I also know a set of Brent parents working hard to support our middle school feeder. I understand something happened in 2010 and then I guess again around the boundary review but I find it ironic that you attack people for not reading the data but then assume nothing has change at Brent. In the last 3 years, the Brent 5th grade has tripled in size. Do people still leave after 4th grade? Sure but we are proud of the changes we have going on as well.
Congrats on the progress you have made but attacking other communties is not helpful for anyone.
Anonymous
11/30/2017 13:05
Subject: Re:Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No one wants to be first, essentially. And SWS used to just be early ed, so there weren't 5th grade graduates before now.
The PARCC scores worry folks --
2017 % Proficient or Advanced
EH
ELA 5%
Math 9%
Those are likely skewed by the fact that 30% of the school population is SN (w/an IEP).
No - the students in the medically complex classrooms are not taking the PARC. And kids w/ autism aren't necessarily scoring low on the parc just because of their disability. You can't just use % of SN kids as an excuse for poor scores.
On learndc.org it shows that 0% of EH students with special needs were proficient or advanced on PARCC.
Fewer than 25 students at EH took the alternative assessment. I don't have time to do the math to figure out how many students may not have been tested at all, but that is rare. SN kids have to take PARCC or the MSAA.
Yes, I know it's rare. Are you familiar with the children in the medically complex classrooms at SWS? Maybe not. For some reason they shunt those kids to the basement. They are not taking the PARCC, I assure you.
There's a lot of BS to wade through in this thread, but this comment is particularly egregious and offensive. For starters, these are children with profoundly difficult medical conditions who are treated with compassion and love. The SWS community experienced a death of one student last year and it was a gut wrenching experience. To trivialize within the context of this tired CH MS thread is just wrong.
The PARCC is irrelevant -- the oldest students are in 2nd grade, but even if there were older students it's entirely besides the point. These are not students with IEPs or high functioning autism where an inclusion model is appropriate. Maximum capacity is 16 students and the numbers have varied between 12-16. The teacher and caregiver to student ratio is not comparable to an inclusive school model.
"Choose kindness"
Not the person to whom you are responding, but what on earth does the death of a student have to do with anything on this thread or to which you are responding? Dropping that little nugget within an otherwise reasonable response to the operational details of treatment of that population is disingenuous, and frankly offensive. Don't use tragedy as a weapon; it trivializes the tragedy and makes you worse than the person to whom you are responding.
Choose compassion and class, my dear.