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Anonymous wrote:That is nowhere near the kind of fat and protein you should be eating! Look up recipes for fat bombs. A lot of people on ketogenic diets eat them...they're really good for you. My favorite is grass-fed Kerrygold Irish butter with cinnamon, refrigerated. Amazing. But if you don't tolerate hitter, there are SO many delicious chocolate recipes with coconut oil...you need way more fat than that. You basically eat no fat! That's not healthy even if you're not nursing.

How is a ball of butter good for you? Also, GROSS. Who eats plain butter??

PEOPLE WHO ARE HELL BENT ON BREASTFEEDING EVEN WHEN ITS NOT THE BEST CHOICE FOR THEIR UNIQUE SITUATION.

Op doesn't have a ton of options. The baby does well with added formula but she is opposed to going full formula and deadset on breastfeesing even though she knows her milk lacks fat and her diet prevents her from fattening up her milk. Butter balls may be her best option. I agree it's nonsense but she won't consider formula so she's going to be doing some somersaults to make the almighty breast feasible.

This is chastising OP for no good reason, in general,.you really can't change the amount of fat in breast milk by diet. It over all is about the same for everyone

https://kellymom.com/nutrition/milk/change-milkfat/

What can "change" it is not emptying the breast which is what sounds like the issue is with OP. Her baby can't fully drain the best because of a weak suck/possible tongue tie. EPing would solve that issue - which is what she is planning to do. She had also already said she will increase her calories and try to add more fat sources.

Kellymom is NOT good advice. Kellymom is advice for people who are so irrationally committed to breastfeeding that they will tolerate hungry and skinny babies and exhausted mothers.

Actual science indicates that milk composition (including fat) IS related to maternal diet.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1989413/

You do realize Kellymom links to "actual science" in the article, right?

Also the article you linked said the maternal diet effects really only come into play after 6 months and closer to one year and that maternal fatness was what increased lipids the most.

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Anonymous wrote:^you really need to take a hard look at what you're saying. Your basic premise is that the La Leche League and the breastfeeding culture make women feel guilty for not wanting to try. At the same time, people like you are shaming and chastising them for trying to make it work.

Maybe it's because of where I lived when I was a young mother, but absolutely no one around me breastfed and there was no pressure to breastfeed, but I certainly did hear over and over how skinny my baby was and that I needed to just start using formula blah blah blah blah blah

My only point is don't pretend that shaming and guilting moms is a one-sided phenomenon, because it's not

People like you don't actually listen to the mother when she reaches out for help. If it's something she wants to do, whether it is Start Formula or keep breastfeeding, try to answer that question instead of telling her to either breastfeed at all costs or just give up right away and go to formula. Neither response is helpful

And if anyone was actually listening to Op, we can see there's a lot more going on than a breastfeeding weight gain issue. She has a lot of issues that need addressing and help

Your entire argument is circular and hard to pin down. She has been given TONS of advice on how to make this work. None of it she can do because of allergies or sensitivities to food and the acid reflux and the kidneys that can't do acid reflux medication and Zantac doesn't work. One comment gently reassures her if formula is the best option, it is a fine option and she and the baby will be okay if she has to resort to it. That isn't shaming, that's being supportive of someone who is having a REALLY HARD TIME breastfeeding and maybe needs to hear it's okay if she can't.

+1. Exclusively pumping might be an option too, since production is not a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you on meds for the GERD? It's treatable.

Op here. I have a kidney issue and can't be on a PPI. The side effects of the drug can cause further issues. I am in Zantac but it's nit that effective. That's why I need a diet high in potassium.

OP you really need to find a specialist who can help you with your unique situation rather than relying on advice from an internet message board. It seems like with every post you reveal a new health condition.

Also find a new LC. I had a healthy production and was advised to feed DS really well on one side, then switch to the second if he was still hungry. The next feeding I'd switch to the other side (or in the AM when I was really full, Id just pump the second side) If your baby is really only eating 2-3 oz per feeding and you are switching halfway through, then he's probably only getting foremilk. Regardless of your diet, fixing that (and his latch) may improve things a lot.

Anonymous wrote:^you really need to take a hard look at what you're saying. Your basic premise is that the La Leche League and the breastfeeding culture make women feel guilty for not wanting to try. At the same time, people like you are shaming and chastising them for trying to make it work.

Maybe it's because of where I lived when I was a young mother, but absolutely no one around me breastfed and there was no pressure to breastfeed, but I certainly did hear over and over how skinny my baby was and that I needed to just start using formula blah blah blah blah blah

My only point is don't pretend that shaming and guilting moms is a one-sided phenomenon, because it's not

People like you don't actually listen to the mother when she reaches out for help. If it's something she wants to do, whether it is Start Formula or keep breastfeeding, try to answer that question instead of telling her to either breastfeed at all costs or just give up right away and go to formula. Neither response is helpful

And if anyone was actually listening to Op, we can see there's a lot more going on than a breastfeeding weight gain issue. She has a lot of issues that need addressing and help

Your entire argument is circular and hard to pin down. She has been given TONS of advice on how to make this work. None of it she can do because of allergies or sensitivities to food and the acid reflux and the kidneys that can't do acid reflux medication and Zantac doesn't work. One comment gently reassures her if formula is the best option, it is a fine option and she and the baby will be okay if she has to resort to it. That isn't shaming, that's being supportive of someone who is having a REALLY HARD TIME breastfeeding and maybe needs to hear it's okay if she can't.

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Anonymous wrote:That is nowhere near the kind of fat and protein you should be eating! Look up recipes for fat bombs. A lot of people on ketogenic diets eat them...they're really good for you. My favorite is grass-fed Kerrygold Irish butter with cinnamon, refrigerated. Amazing. But if you don't tolerate hitter, there are SO many delicious chocolate recipes with coconut oil...you need way more fat than that. You basically eat no fat! That's not healthy even if you're not nursing.

How is a ball of butter good for you? Also, GROSS. Who eats plain butter??

PEOPLE WHO ARE HELL BENT ON BREASTFEEDING EVEN WHEN ITS NOT THE BEST CHOICE FOR THEIR UNIQUE SITUATION.

Op doesn't have a ton of options. The baby does well with added formula but she is opposed to going full formula and deadset on breastfeesing even though she knows her milk lacks fat and her diet prevents her from fattening up her milk. Butter balls may be her best option. I agree it's nonsense but she won't consider formula so she's going to be doing some somersaults to make the almighty breast feasible.

This is chastising OP for no good reason, in general,.you really can't change the amount of fat in breast milk by diet. It over all is about the same for everyone

https://kellymom.com/nutrition/milk/change-milkfat/

What can "change" it is not emptying the breast which is what sounds like the issue is with OP. Her baby can't fully drain the best because of a weak suck/possible tongue tie. EPing would solve that issue - which is what she is planning to do. She had also already said she will increase her calories and try to add more fat sources.

Kellymom is NOT good advice. Kellymom is advice for people who are so irrationally committed to breastfeeding that they will tolerate hungry and skinny babies and exhausted mothers.

Actual science indicates that milk composition (including fat) IS related to maternal diet.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1989413/

OP you are not eating nearly enough. When I breastfed my little one, I lost a ton of weight without even trying. I ate a lot and still lost a lot of weight. That is a testament to how much breast feeding requires of YOUR body. So you need to increase your calories by ALOT because you are literally eating for 2 people at every meal. Keep that in mind, and be sure to drink plenty of fluids.

Good luck, I hope it works out for you guys.

^you really need to take a hard look at what you're saying. Your basic premise is that the La Leche League and the breastfeeding culture make women feel guilty for not wanting to try. At the same time, people like you are shaming and chastising them for trying to make it work.

Maybe it's because of where I lived when I was a young mother, but absolutely no one around me breastfed and there was no pressure to breastfeed, but I certainly did hear over and over how skinny my baby was and that I needed to just start using formula blah blah blah blah blah

My only point is don't pretend that shaming and guilting moms is a one-sided phenomenon, because it's not

People like you don't actually listen to the mother when she reaches out for help. If it's something she wants to do, whether it is Start Formula or keep breastfeeding, try to answer that question instead of telling her to either breastfeed at all costs or just give up right away and go to formula. Neither response is helpful

And if anyone was actually listening to Op, we can see there's a lot more going on than a breastfeeding weight gain issue. She has a lot of issues that need addressing and help

I'm not chastising her personally. She seems like a caring and concerned mom. But I have a HUGE issue with the guilt and neurosis the freaking Breast is Best/La Leche League maniacs have instilled in new moms who literally won't even *consider* formula because they'd rather muddle through a year or more of self-flagellation to make breastfeeding happen even when all signs point to formula perhaps being the better option.

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Anonymous wrote:That is nowhere near the kind of fat and protein you should be eating! Look up recipes for fat bombs. A lot of people on ketogenic diets eat them...they're really good for you. My favorite is grass-fed Kerrygold Irish butter with cinnamon, refrigerated. Amazing. But if you don't tolerate hitter, there are SO many delicious chocolate recipes with coconut oil...you need way more fat than that. You basically eat no fat! That's not healthy even if you're not nursing.

How is a ball of butter good for you? Also, GROSS. Who eats plain butter??

PEOPLE WHO ARE HELL BENT ON BREASTFEEDING EVEN WHEN ITS NOT THE BEST CHOICE FOR THEIR UNIQUE SITUATION.

Op doesn't have a ton of options. The baby does well with added formula but she is opposed to going full formula and deadset on breastfeesing even though she knows her milk lacks fat and her diet prevents her from fattening up her milk. Butter balls may be her best option. I agree it's nonsense but she won't consider formula so she's going to be doing some somersaults to make the almighty breast feasible.

This is chastising OP for no good reason, in general,.you really can't change the amount of fat in breast milk by diet. It over all is about the same for everyone

https://kellymom.com/nutrition/milk/change-milkfat/

What can "change" it is not emptying the breast which is what sounds like the issue is with OP. Her baby can't fully drain the best because of a weak suck/possible tongue tie. EPing would solve that issue - which is what she is planning to do. She had also already said she will increase her calories and try to add more fat sources.

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Anonymous wrote:That is nowhere near the kind of fat and protein you should be eating! Look up recipes for fat bombs. A lot of people on ketogenic diets eat them...they're really good for you. My favorite is grass-fed Kerrygold Irish butter with cinnamon, refrigerated. Amazing. But if you don't tolerate hitter, there are SO many delicious chocolate recipes with coconut oil...you need way more fat than that. You basically eat no fat! That's not healthy even if you're not nursing.

How is a ball of butter good for you? Also, GROSS. Who eats plain butter??

PEOPLE WHO ARE HELL BENT ON BREASTFEEDING EVEN WHEN ITS NOT THE BEST CHOICE FOR THEIR UNIQUE SITUATION.

Op doesn't have a ton of options. The baby does well with added formula but she is opposed to going full formula and deadset on breastfeesing even though she knows her milk lacks fat and her diet prevents her from fattening up her milk. Butter balls may be her best option. I agree it's nonsense but she won't consider formula so she's going to be doing some somersaults to make the almighty breast feasible.

Anonymous wrote:Omg up your calories and start eating fatty meat. Nobody is allergic to that. Have burgers with bacon and guacamole for dinner, or have your husband pick up a rack of BBQ ribs, bake wings in the oven with your favorite seasoning, ribeyes etc etc. If dairy and eggs are out you have to embrace higher calorie meats in your diet.

PP who had GERD - it's actually a lot harder to add fat with GERD. I was put on a PPI while pregnant because I had debilitating pain from things like eating a croissant even on zantac. A low fat diet was needed to manage it even with the PPI

OP - I know you said your baby doesn't have a tongue tie but it is possible to have one you can't see. Given anything you've mentioned about his weak suck, being able to finish bottles much faster, and nursing for an hour, I'm willing to bet he does have one. Look up tongue tie preferred providers and see one of them for an evaluation.

Omg up your calories and start eating fatty meat. Nobody is allergic to that. Have burgers with bacon and guacamole for dinner, or have your husband pick up a rack of BBQ ribs, bake wings in the oven with your favorite seasoning, ribeyes etc etc. If dairy and eggs are out you have to embrace higher calorie meats in your diet.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion here makes me cry. Why are there so many misconceptions about breastfeeding in the US? OP, see a qualified lactation consultant and stop obsessing about numbers, concerning both you and your baby.

Please save your tears for something more important that what DCUM women (mostly educated, middle-class and up) do re. breastfeeding.

That's why it baffles me even more. Somehow, along with becoming educated and middle-class, we've become paranoid and neurotic.

Well this OP limits herself 1200-1300 calories per day, eats almost no fat, and has an untreatable GI condition in addition to allergies and insensitivities. I think her worry that her kid isn’t getting enough calories for her to EBF is pretty justified.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Op here. Thank you for the suggestions.

Feeding: He seems much more content with the formula. We also fed him pumped milk twice, and that worked. I am really starting to think it's had less to I with my diet, and more to do with his latch. I am going to make an appointment with a LC. If he doesn't latch, I don't mind pumping. I find it easier and I can be done in 20-30 minutes. [b]He takes up to an hour to eat[/b].

Eating: I am looking up recipes I can try. I am going to start adding more calories into my diet, along with healthy fats, quinoa, brown rice, non-dairy yogurts, etc. I think I have been drinking so much water, I get too full for food. I am going to cut that back a little.



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This is quite long. My DD would do this and everyone told me it was ok but it really wasn't- she was just so inefficient which led to slow weight gain. She had a tongue tie which caused this. Make sure you see an LC that is experienced with ties and does a full suck assessment. If you can make it to Virginia Hospital Center I highly recommend their breastfeeding group. It is free and it's a very supportive group that will help you get down to the root of any problem.[/quote]

Yes!!! +1 to this. It's easier for them to drink from bottles (which is another reason breastfeeding is so good for them - it helps their oral development!) so they get more ou of a bottle - true for all babies, but often a reason for the stark difference between BF consumption and bottle consumption in tongue tied babies. You should definitely have her checked for a tongue tie

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion here makes me cry. Why are there so many misconceptions about breastfeeding in the US? OP, see a qualified lactation consultant and stop obsessing about numbers, concerning both you and your baby.

Please save your tears for something more important that what DCUM women (mostly educated, middle-class and up) do re. breastfeeding.

That's why it baffles me even more. Somehow, along with becoming educated and middle-class, we've become paranoid and neurotic.