Anonymous wrote:If it wasn't fundamentally flawed, but you knew that if you didn't paint it every other year, it would fall apart, so you chose not to paint it then, sure, whatever.

Either way, at this point, it is your house and you need to live there and your family of 50 million are depending on you, so I hope you can figure it out.

Sorry, there isn't enough money in the world for your house, especially when it's on a wagon and asking everyone else to pull it for multi-decades. Time for you to start contributing instead of demanding everyone else pay your way.

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Anonymous wrote:

This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

It's actually called ACA. The first A is impossible to accomplish with healthcare lobbyists in the pockets of greedy politicians, particularly the Rs.

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This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACA was fundamentally flawed and everyone, including the Obama administration knew it. There is no point in using band aids to deal with the flaws. Just repeal it and come up with a structurally sound alternative.

As long as the flawed ACA is allowed to continue with fixes, the less likely that it will really be dealt with in a serious way.

Name the alternative. The ACA was the GOP plan. The GOP has now rejected it because the black guy installed it.

So now what? Can't go back to what was before, and the ACA is now dead. What do you suggest?

DP. Maybe if the Demcratic president hadn't championed a GOP plan, we wouldn't be in this mess.

DP.. maybe if R congress and Trump fully funded ACA we wouldn't be in this mess. It's a mess, sure, but R and Trump want to make it worse, make the public suffer so that they will clamor for something else.

It's like withholding fuel from everyone so that people beg for the government to drill more.

What are you talking about? You democrats funded it three years in advance. You also stole close to a trillion from medicare to fund Obamacare.

It was supposed to be good for ten years. Everyone's premiums were supposed to go down an average of $2500. Millenials were supposed to sign up in droves, because they loved the idea.

None of that happened. Don't call it ACA. Call it Obamacare. No Republicans voted for it. This was a DNC ball of shit flinged at the masses. Your math didn't work, but you had "hope and change".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACA was fundamentally flawed and everyone, including the Obama administration knew it. There is no point in using band aids to deal with the flaws. Just repeal it and come up with a structurally sound alternative.

As long as the flawed ACA is allowed to continue with fixes, the less likely that it will really be dealt with in a serious way.

Name the alternative. The ACA was the GOP plan. The GOP has now rejected it because the black guy installed it.

So now what? Can't go back to what was before, and the ACA is now dead. What do you suggest?

DP. Maybe if the Demcratic president hadn't championed a GOP plan, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Well, there was a healthcare crisis that needed to be addressed. The Democratic president proposed something that he thought would get bi-partisan support. Little did he know that the GOP in the Congress would be so racist as to oppose their own plan just to spite the former President.

Now, the whole country gets to suffer for this.


Brilliant!

The bottom line that everyone knows (whether they want to admit it) is that we are in this mess because Obama sold the country a fundamentally flawed plan. That was his choice. We don't know what would have happened if he had picked a good plan because he didn't.

This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

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Anonymous wrote:Insurers in 14 states assumed CSRs would continue, so they're screwed—expect insurers to exit. This includes:

Alaska, Arizona, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas and Vermont.

Off the top of my head, Alaska, Arizona, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Texas are Red/Purple states.

I wonder how they will deal with an immediate collapse in their markets and how their voters feel today?

Maryland and New Jersey can likely do something to bridge the gap, though voters in Garrett, Alleghany and Washington County will definitely feel the pinch.

Except the cost-sharing subsidies go to the much poorer people, and the struggling working class (say a couple of HS grads earning $30k each) will continue to get insurance premium subsidies. And THEY are the core of the "idiots in flyover country" that you elitists demean, and who largely voted for Trump. And THAT is exactly what these "barely-getting-by" had been complaining about - that poor people got all the government goodies while they were left holding the bag.

OTOH, the poor people - urban cities in the liberal states, like CA, IL, an NY - are primarily the Hillary voters who wanted to keep the goodies flowing. That would be fine and dandy if money were unlimited, but it's not, and so now they will feel the pain that Obamacare caused the middle class (who get NO subsidies at all), while leaving the working class - the Trump voters - unaffected for the most part. It's a good start in forcing the Congress to act - and that includes addressing the high cost of medical care itself.

Good luck getting to GOP to touch that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Going forward, it's TrumpCare.

If it isn't covered and you thought it was, that's on Trump.
If it is more expensive, then it's on Trump.
If you have caps, its on Trump.
If pre-existing isn't covered, it's on Trump.

yep. AGREE!

Disagree. Why would Obama design a health care plan that requires a Republican president to prop it up, lest it fall apart? If it can't stand on its own, it's fundamentally flawed, and the person who designed and pushed it is to blame.

OMG, your logic is just, wow.

Impressive rebuttal!

If I'm an architect and I design and build a fundamentally flawed house, is it fair for me to blame others when it eventually falls apart?

So...this is Obama's fault? He designed a health care plan (all by himself, no less) and knew that the next president would be a Republican (or whatever Trump) is? He knew that the GOP would be unwilling to contribute anything meaningful to said healthcare plan (just because they hate Obama, not because they had anything substantive to contribute)? He knew that after voting over and over and over and over again to repeal Obamacare, that the GOP would have NOTHING once they actually had the power to do something?

You sound like an objective, thoughtful, intelligent person. (that is sarcasm, btw)

Anonymous wrote:Insurers in 14 states assumed CSRs would continue, so they're screwed—expect insurers to exit. This includes:

Alaska, Arizona, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas and Vermont.

Off the top of my head, Alaska, Arizona, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Texas are Red/Purple states.

I wonder how they will deal with an immediate collapse in their markets and how their voters feel today?

Maryland and New Jersey can likely do something to bridge the gap, though voters in Garrett, Alleghany and Washington County will definitely feel the pinch.

Except the cost-sharing subsidies go to the much poorer people, and the struggling working class (say a couple of HS grads earning $30k each) will continue to get insurance premium subsidies. And THEY are the core of the "idiots in flyover country" that you elitists demean, and who largely voted for Trump. And THAT is exactly what these "barely-getting-by" had been complaining about - that poor people got all the government goodies while they were left holding the bag.

OTOH, the poor people - urban cities in the liberal states, like CA, IL, an NY - are primarily the Hillary voters who wanted to keep the goodies flowing. That would be fine and dandy if money were unlimited, but it's not, and so now they will feel the pain that Obamacare caused the middle class (who get NO subsidies at all), while leaving the working class - the Trump voters - unaffected for the most part. It's a good start in forcing the Congress to act - and that includes addressing the high cost of medical care itself.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACA was fundamentally flawed and everyone, including the Obama administration knew it. There is no point in using band aids to deal with the flaws. Just repeal it and come up with a structurally sound alternative.

As long as the flawed ACA is allowed to continue with fixes, the less likely that it will really be dealt with in a serious way.

Name the alternative. The ACA was the GOP plan. The GOP has now rejected it because the black guy installed it.

So now what? Can't go back to what was before, and the ACA is now dead. What do you suggest?

DP. Maybe if the Demcratic president hadn't championed a GOP plan, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Well, there was a healthcare crisis that needed to be addressed. The Democratic president proposed something that he thought would get bi-partisan support. Little did he know that the GOP in the Congress would be so racist as to oppose their own plan just to spite the former President.

Now, the whole country gets to suffer for this.


Brilliant!

The bottom line that everyone knows (whether they want to admit it) is that we are in this mess because Obama sold the country a fundamentally flawed plan. That was his choice. We don't know what would have happened if he had picked a good plan because he didn't.

If it wasn't fundamentally flawed, but you knew that if you didn't paint it every other year, it would fall apart, so you chose not to paint it then, sure, whatever.

Either way, at this point, it is your house and you need to live there and your family of 50 million are depending on you, so I hope you can figure it out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, it's TrumpCare.

If it isn't covered and you thought it was, that's on Trump.
If it is more expensive, then it's on Trump.
If you have caps, its on Trump.
If pre-existing isn't covered, it's on Trump.

yep. AGREE!

Disagree. Why would Obama design a health care plan that requires a Republican president to prop it up, lest it fall apart? If it can't stand on its own, it's fundamentally flawed, and the person who designed and pushed it is to blame.

OMG, your logic is just, wow.

Impressive rebuttal!

If I'm an architect and I design and build a fundamentally flawed house, is it fair for me to blame others when it eventually falls apart?

Insurers in 14 states assumed CSRs would continue, so they're screwed—expect insurers to exit. This includes:

Alaska, Arizona, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas and Vermont.

Off the top of my head, Alaska, Arizona, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Texas are Red/Purple states.

I wonder how they will deal with an immediate collapse in their markets and how their voters feel today?

Maryland and New Jersey can likely do something to bridge the gap, though voters in Garrett, Alleghany and Washington County will definitely feel the pinch.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACA was fundamentally flawed and everyone, including the Obama administration knew it. There is no point in using band aids to deal with the flaws. Just repeal it and come up with a structurally sound alternative.

As long as the flawed ACA is allowed to continue with fixes, the less likely that it will really be dealt with in a serious way.

Name the alternative. The ACA was the GOP plan. The GOP has now rejected it because the black guy installed it.

So now what? Can't go back to what was before, and the ACA is now dead. What do you suggest?

DP. Maybe if the Demcratic president hadn't championed a GOP plan, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Well, there was a healthcare crisis that needed to be addressed. The Democratic president proposed something that he thought would get bi-partisan support. Little did he know that the GOP in the Congress would be so racist as to oppose their own plan just to spite the former President.

Now, the whole country gets to suffer for this.


Brilliant!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, it's TrumpCare.

If it isn't covered and you thought it was, that's on Trump.
If it is more expensive, then it's on Trump.
If you have caps, its on Trump.
If pre-existing isn't covered, it's on Trump.

yep. AGREE!

Disagree. Why would Obama design a health care plan that requires a Republican president to prop it up, lest it fall apart? If it can't stand on its own, it's fundamentally flawed, and the person who designed and pushed it is to blame.

OMG, your logic is just, wow.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACA was fundamentally flawed and everyone, including the Obama administration knew it. There is no point in using band aids to deal with the flaws. Just repeal it and come up with a structurally sound alternative.

As long as the flawed ACA is allowed to continue with fixes, the less likely that it will really be dealt with in a serious way.

Name the alternative. The ACA was the GOP plan. The GOP has now rejected it because the black guy installed it.

So now what? Can't go back to what was before, and the ACA is now dead. What do you suggest?

DP. Maybe if the Demcratic president hadn't championed a GOP plan, we wouldn't be in this mess.

DP.. maybe if R congress and Trump fully funded ACA we wouldn't be in this mess. It's a mess, sure, but R and Trump want to make it worse, make the public suffer so that they will clamor for something else.

It's like withholding fuel from everyone so that people beg for the government to drill more.