Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is standing in the Republicans way. What ever the Conservative Republicans on this forum want - their own party can give them. New laws, enforcement of existing laws, outlawing sanctuary cities, etc.

So stop the constant whiny.

Hmm! Republicans are not whining about this - they are deporting people who are here illegally and further restricting immigration.

It is the Democrats and the Hispanic lobby who are forever whining about something needing to be done.

Deportations are way down under Trump. There were more deportations under Obama. Does that make you cheer for Obama?

Dp
My husband works for DHS/ICE for 20 years so he has the deportation # of illegals under Obama. Obama lied the #.
I oppose amnesty or any type of legalization. Don’t believe in giving rewards for bad behavior. I immigrated legally in 1990s and have been a great citizen. In 2013, there were 4.4 million people waiting for their immigrant visas around the world. It is not fair for these people who paid processing fees and waiting for their visas.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats approach to "fixing" immigration is to grant amnesty to the 11 million + who are in the country illegally.

They rationalize it with comments about it being humane, strict border controls in the future, some sort of fine and a multi-year wait for citizenship.

But ultimately the goal is to grant everyone legal residence to satisfy the Hispanic lobby and to ensure that their voting bloc of Hispanics increases. To hell with the law and any sense of fairness to those who waited years to enter the country legally.

+1,000
And then the dolts on this thread blame it on Republicans; when, in reality, it's the Democrats in Congress who block every effort Republicans make to reform illegal immigration. Liberal hypocrisy strikes again (and again).

Again, Dear, the Democrats are not in charge. The Republicans can get passed anything they want on immigration and it makes no difference what you think the Democrats want or don't want.

Be a grownup for once in your sorry life and admit that this is a failing of the Republicans and the current Republican president. It is 100% on you.

+1000

Bunch of impotent a-holes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats approach to "fixing" immigration is to grant amnesty to the 11 million + who are in the country illegally.

They rationalize it with comments about it being humane, strict border controls in the future, some sort of fine and a multi-year wait for citizenship.

But ultimately the goal is to grant everyone legal residence to satisfy the Hispanic lobby and to ensure that their voting bloc of Hispanics increases. To hell with the law and any sense of fairness to those who waited years to enter the country legally.

+1,000
And then the dolts on this thread blame it on Republicans; when, in reality, it's the Democrats in Congress who block every effort Republicans make to reform illegal immigration. Liberal hypocrisy strikes again (and again).

Again, Dear, the Democrats are not in charge. The Republicans can get passed anything they want on immigration and it makes no difference what you think the Democrats want or don't want.

Be a grownup for once in your sorry life and admit that this is a failing of the Republicans and the current Republican president. It is 100% on you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats approach to "fixing" immigration is to grant amnesty to the 11 million + who are in the country illegally.

They rationalize it with comments about it being humane, strict border controls in the future, some sort of fine and a multi-year wait for citizenship.

But ultimately the goal is to grant everyone legal residence to satisfy the Hispanic lobby and to ensure that their voting bloc of Hispanics increases. To hell with the law and any sense of fairness to those who waited years to enter the country legally.

+1,000
And then the dolts on this thread blame it on Republicans; when, in reality, it's the Democrats in Congress who block every effort Republicans make to reform illegal immigration. Liberal hypocrisy strikes again (and again).

Rs have control. You don't have enough R votes so you blame Ds? Pathetic.

It's the Democrats' fault that the Republicans don't have enough votes in Congress, obviously!

(No, I am not being sincere.)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats approach to "fixing" immigration is to grant amnesty to the 11 million + who are in the country illegally.

They rationalize it with comments about it being humane, strict border controls in the future, some sort of fine and a multi-year wait for citizenship.

But ultimately the goal is to grant everyone legal residence to satisfy the Hispanic lobby and to ensure that their voting bloc of Hispanics increases. To hell with the law and any sense of fairness to those who waited years to enter the country legally.

+1,000
And then the dolts on this thread blame it on Republicans; when, in reality, it's the Democrats in Congress who block every effort Republicans make to reform illegal immigration. Liberal hypocrisy strikes again (and again).

Rs have control. You don't have enough R votes so you blame Ds? Pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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NP. Re: the bolded, this is very true. And why aren't the Democrats/liberals "whining" or outraged about illegal (NOT undocumented) immigrants? Because they're too busy pandering to them and making sure they feel welcome in this country. They protest against ending sanctuary cities. They refuse to admit that illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. In short, they're defending people who are breaking the law. I have zero respect for anyone who feel some people should get a pass when it comes to obeying the law. They are utter hypocrites.

OK. So, why aren't the Republicans doing something about it?

It's already been answered several times, so stop asking. Liberals are blocking their efforts every step of the way. I'm just glad that Rep. Barbara Comstock introduced a bill to immediately deport gang members. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-passes-comstock-bill-targeting-immigrant-members-of-ms-13-gang/2017/09/14/71e97ce0-9956-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.599fb59e32e2
But, oh look!
"The bill was slammed by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the American Civil Liberties Union, which argued it would promote racial profiling, erode due process and unintentionally affect others, such as clergy who try to help gang members." And this:

"Democrats speaking against the bill said they agreed there must be a way to curtail MS-13, but Comstock’s bill would have unintended consequences and face legal challenges.
“We all agree MS-13 is a problem and I think she’d be better served by working in a bipartisan manner to find a responsible solution rather than doing something on her own that’s probably dead on arrival in the Senate,” Beyer said after the vote.
Immigrant advocates objected to the bill, saying it would give law enforcement wide latitude in designating groups of people as gangs and seeking to deport, detain or block their asylum before a crime has been committed.
“This feels just like yet another barely thinly veiled attempt to criminalize and demonize immigrants in order to justify what this administration has consistently promoted as their commitment to a massive deportation regime,” said Avideh Moussavian, a senior policy attorney at the National Immigration Law Center.

So you see, despite the best efforts of Republicans, liberals just can't stop themselves from declaring even deportation of MS-13 members, somehow wrong. So liberals - take a good look in the mirror at exactly what's stopping our immigration laws from being enforced. You.

Don't have enough R votes, eh? Isn't that what you meant to say?

Here's a question for you: why do you defend illegal immigration and sanctuary cities? Why do you support law breakers? We'll wait.

Non-sequitur, but I don't.

Back to your statement and my related question. What is holding back Rs from running with that bill? Not enough R votes. Don't blame it on Ds.

Read the article I just posted and then get back to us about "what (or WHO) is holding back Rs from running with that bill?" And place the blame where it's due: on the Democrats.

If you don't have the votes you don't have the votes. End of story.

Trying to blame others again? Pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Re: the bolded, this is very true. And why aren't the Democrats/liberals "whining" or outraged about illegal (NOT undocumented) immigrants? Because they're too busy pandering to them and making sure they feel welcome in this country. They protest against ending sanctuary cities. They refuse to admit that illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. In short, they're defending people who are breaking the law. I have zero respect for anyone who feel some people should get a pass when it comes to obeying the law. They are utter hypocrites.

OK. So, why aren't the Republicans doing something about it?

It's already been answered several times, so stop asking. Liberals are blocking their efforts every step of the way. I'm just glad that Rep. Barbara Comstock introduced a bill to immediately deport gang members. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-passes-comstock-bill-targeting-immigrant-members-of-ms-13-gang/2017/09/14/71e97ce0-9956-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.599fb59e32e2
But, oh look!
"The bill was slammed by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the American Civil Liberties Union, which argued it would promote racial profiling, erode due process and unintentionally affect others, such as clergy who try to help gang members." And this:

"Democrats speaking against the bill said they agreed there must be a way to curtail MS-13, but Comstock’s bill would have unintended consequences and face legal challenges.
“We all agree MS-13 is a problem and I think she’d be better served by working in a bipartisan manner to find a responsible solution rather than doing something on her own that’s probably dead on arrival in the Senate,” Beyer said after the vote.
Immigrant advocates objected to the bill, saying it would give law enforcement wide latitude in designating groups of people as gangs and seeking to deport, detain or block their asylum before a crime has been committed.
“This feels just like yet another barely thinly veiled attempt to criminalize and demonize immigrants in order to justify what this administration has consistently promoted as their commitment to a massive deportation regime,” said Avideh Moussavian, a senior policy attorney at the National Immigration Law Center.

So you see, despite the best efforts of Republicans, liberals just can't stop themselves from declaring even deportation of MS-13 members, somehow wrong. So liberals - take a good look in the mirror at exactly what's stopping our immigration laws from being enforced. You.

Don't have enough R votes, eh? Isn't that what you meant to say?

Here's a question for you: why do you defend illegal immigration and sanctuary cities? Why do you support law breakers? We'll wait.

It's so telling how no liberals have answered this. And they never will.

Liar. I answered already. I said I don't.

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Why? The Republicans have a majority in the House, they have a majority in the Senate, and they have a president who will sign the bill. All they have to do is get most of the Republicans in Congress to agree on the legislation. Though it turns out that this is more difficult than just voting no on everything proposed by Obama and the Democrats.

The Republicans in Congress don't have to do anything. There are already laws on the books that were not being implemented. The Trump administration is now implementing them at the appropriate pace.

The only ones complaining about "fixing" immigration are Democrats and the Hispanic lobby. And "fixing" immigration is code for granting amnesty!

Anonymous wrote:


Read the article I just posted and then get back to us about "what (or WHO) is holding back Rs from running with that bill?" And place the blame where it's due: on the Democrats.

Why? The Republicans have a majority in the House, they have a majority in the Senate, and they have a president who will sign the bill. All they have to do is get most of the Republicans in Congress to agree on the legislation. Though it turns out that this is more difficult than just voting no on everything proposed by Obama and the Democrats.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is all on the Republicans. Anything that is or is not done; anything that is not solved or fixed. No more excuses.

Nope.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-werent-always-super-liberal-on-immigration/
"Whatever the cause of the Democrats’ move to the left on illegal immigration, it’s clearly happening. And as the congressional debate unfolds over DACA, this polarization could play a key role in whether Democrats and Republicans can reach a deal. If a straight up-or-down vote occurs in Congress (not a guarantee), DACA will probably need only a few Republican votes to pass because Democrats are in near unison in how they now view immigration, and illegal immigration in particular. But Republicans and the Trump administration can likely ask only so much in exchange for codifying DACA — Democrats are far less willing to compromise on immigration than they used to be."

The Democrats aren't "moving" anything. They don't have the votes.

The Republicans do have the votes. Or at least they should if they can get their own house in order (but even that seems to be a problem for them).

Anonymous wrote:It is all on the Republicans. Anything that is or is not done; anything that is not solved or fixed. No more excuses.

Nope.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-werent-always-super-liberal-on-immigration/
"Whatever the cause of the Democrats’ move to the left on illegal immigration, it’s clearly happening. And as the congressional debate unfolds over DACA, this polarization could play a key role in whether Democrats and Republicans can reach a deal. If a straight up-or-down vote occurs in Congress (not a guarantee), DACA will probably need only a few Republican votes to pass because Democrats are in near unison in how they now view immigration, and illegal immigration in particular. But Republicans and the Trump administration can likely ask only so much in exchange for codifying DACA — Democrats are far less willing to compromise on immigration than they used to be."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Re: the bolded, this is very true. And why aren't the Democrats/liberals "whining" or outraged about illegal (NOT undocumented) immigrants? Because they're too busy pandering to them and making sure they feel welcome in this country. They protest against ending sanctuary cities. They refuse to admit that illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. In short, they're defending people who are breaking the law. I have zero respect for anyone who feel some people should get a pass when it comes to obeying the law. They are utter hypocrites.

OK. So, why aren't the Republicans doing something about it?

It's already been answered several times, so stop asking. Liberals are blocking their efforts every step of the way. I'm just glad that Rep. Barbara Comstock introduced a bill to immediately deport gang members. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-passes-comstock-bill-targeting-immigrant-members-of-ms-13-gang/2017/09/14/71e97ce0-9956-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.599fb59e32e2
But, oh look!
"The bill was slammed by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the American Civil Liberties Union, which argued it would promote racial profiling, erode due process and unintentionally affect others, such as clergy who try to help gang members." And this:

"Democrats speaking against the bill said they agreed there must be a way to curtail MS-13, but Comstock’s bill would have unintended consequences and face legal challenges.
“We all agree MS-13 is a problem and I think she’d be better served by working in a bipartisan manner to find a responsible solution rather than doing something on her own that’s probably dead on arrival in the Senate,” Beyer said after the vote.
Immigrant advocates objected to the bill, saying it would give law enforcement wide latitude in designating groups of people as gangs and seeking to deport, detain or block their asylum before a crime has been committed.
“This feels just like yet another barely thinly veiled attempt to criminalize and demonize immigrants in order to justify what this administration has consistently promoted as their commitment to a massive deportation regime,” said Avideh Moussavian, a senior policy attorney at the National Immigration Law Center.

So you see, despite the best efforts of Republicans, liberals just can't stop themselves from declaring even deportation of MS-13 members, somehow wrong. So liberals - take a good look in the mirror at exactly what's stopping our immigration laws from being enforced. You.

Don't have enough R votes, eh? Isn't that what you meant to say?

Here's a question for you: why do you defend illegal immigration and sanctuary cities? Why do you support law breakers? We'll wait.

Non-sequitur, but I don't.

Back to your statement and my related question. What is holding back Rs from running with that bill? Not enough R votes. Don't blame it on Ds.

Read the article I just posted and then get back to us about "what (or WHO) is holding back Rs from running with that bill?" And place the blame where it's due: on the Democrats.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats approach to "fixing" immigration is to grant amnesty to the 11 million + who are in the country illegally.

They rationalize it with comments about it being humane, strict border controls in the future, some sort of fine and a multi-year wait for citizenship.

But ultimately the goal is to grant everyone legal residence to satisfy the Hispanic lobby and to ensure that their voting bloc of Hispanics increases. To hell with the law and any sense of fairness to those who waited years to enter the country legally.

STOP DEBATING IT AND DO SOMETHING, REPUBLICANS! Again this is proof that you simply want to whine and argue about it! It does not matter what Democrats want or think - the Republicans have the power. If you want to change immigration - DO IT.

Sure. How about YOU write to your Democratic representatives and tell them to obfuscating and making excuses for illegal immigrants and START working with Republicans to pass Republican-led legislation to reform illegal immigration??? That would be a start. DO IT.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/immigration-bill-house-committee/index.html

House committee squares off on aggressive immigration bills

By Tal Kopan, CNN

Updated 5:30 PM ET, Thu May 18, 2017

A new bill would substantially increase federal and local immigration enforcement
The contentious debate will continue into next week.

Washington (CNN)Democrats and Republicans on Thursday faced off over immigration policy as a House committee began considering a set of immigration bills that Democrats say would amount to the creation of a "mass deportation force."
Proponents of the first bill under consideration by the House judiciary committee -- named after two law enforcement officers who were allegedly murdered by an undocumented immigrant -- advocated for the bill as important to public safety and rule of law.
But Democrats on the committee decried the bill as an unnecessarily harsh anti-immigrant push by President Donald Trump.

[/b[b]]"Proponents of this bill say that it's necessary to keep us safe, but what the bill really does is pander to the noxious notion that immigrants are criminals and should be dealt with harshly," said immigration subcommittee ranking member Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat. "This bill gives Trump and (adviser Steve) Bannon the legislation to establish their mass deportation force. ... This bill should really be called the 'Mass Deportation Act,' because that's what it is."
Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte said the bill was not intended to target immigrants, but to "respect the rule of law."

"This is simply a bill that gives any administration, the current one and future ones, the authority to enforce our laws properly, and gives to state and local governments ... the ability to participate in that enforcement," Goodlatte said.
The committee was set to mark up three Republican bills related to immigration on Thursday -- one that would vastly expand the role of state and local jurisdictions in immigration enforcement and two others that would authorize immigration components of the Department of Homeland Security.
But by mid-afternoon, the committee recessed until next week after only making its way through two amendments. Both were brought by Democrats to strike portions of the bill, and after lengthy debate, both were rejected by the Republican majority committee. Democrats were expected to continue bringing a number of similar amendments when the markup continues on the nearly 200 page bill.
The main bill the committee discussed, the Michael Davis Jr. and Danny Oliver in Honor of State and Local Law Enforcement Act, was introduced by Republican Rep. Raul Labrador of Idaho, and closely resembles similar legislation that the House judiciary committee has advanced in the past and that now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions introduced in his time in the Senate.
The Davis-Oliver Act would substantially increase the capabilities of federal and local immigration enforcement, including empowering state and local law enforcement to enact their own immigration laws and penalties. It also would give the government powers to revoke visas, beef up Immigration and Customs Enforcement's ability to arrest and deport undocumented immigrants, increase criminal penalties for undocumented immigrants and punish sanctuary jurisdictions.
The two parties went back and forth on the bill, with Democrats decrying it as demonization of all immigrants, as an increase in mass incarceration and as a promotion of racial profiling and as unconstitutional federal overreach. They noted that local law enforcement in sanctuary cities say their policies are important for victims and witnesses of crimes to feel comfortable coming forward.
But Labrador said the notion that the bill harms public safety is "the most preposterous and outrageous argument I've ever heard."
"For too long we have allowed individuals to enter our country illegally and in many cases do us harm," he said. "While other reforms are needed, this bill is vital to a long-term fix."
The other two bills, introduced by Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican, would serve as authorizations for ICE and US Citizenship and Immigration Services, codifying the mission statements of both entities. The USCIS bill would focus the agency, which oversees the issuance of visas and grants immigrants the ability to enter the US, on preventing fraud and security threats and on protecting American jobs from being taken by immigrants.
The ICE bill would increase the number of deportation officers and ensure that each one is granted, among other armament an M-4 rifle. Both bills would likely be packaged with a broader Homeland Security authorization being worked on by the House homeland security committee, which has jurisdiction over most of the rest of the department.
It's unclear if any of the bills will make it to the full House floor. It is a virtual certainty that Democrats will unanimously oppose the bills, and a substantial number of moderate Republicans could balk at such an aggressive approach to immigration enforcement.
Even if the bills were to pass the House, they would need at least eight Democratic votes in the Senate to pass there, assuming all Republicans support the bills.
Pro-immigration groups were quick to decry the legislation in advance releases Wednesday.
"If enacted, the bills would raise a host of constitutional concerns, undermining public safety and harming immigrants and U.S. citizens alike," said Ronald Newman, policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "They would also lead to significant, unnecessary federal spending and erode US values and norms. They would provide rocket fuel for President Trump's mass deportation agenda."
The Cato Institute, a libertarian-leaning think tank, also offered a statement criticizing the bill.
"(H.R. 2431) purports to empower states and localities to take action against serious criminals who have violated immigration law," Cato analyst David Bier wrote. "In reality, the bill is a vehicle for a massive expansion of the federal government and of federal power over states and their citizens."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Re: the bolded, this is very true. And why aren't the Democrats/liberals "whining" or outraged about illegal (NOT undocumented) immigrants? Because they're too busy pandering to them and making sure they feel welcome in this country. They protest against ending sanctuary cities. They refuse to admit that illegal immigrants are here ILLEGALLY. In short, they're defending people who are breaking the law. I have zero respect for anyone who feel some people should get a pass when it comes to obeying the law. They are utter hypocrites.

OK. So, why aren't the Republicans doing something about it?

It's already been answered several times, so stop asking. Liberals are blocking their efforts every step of the way. I'm just glad that Rep. Barbara Comstock introduced a bill to immediately deport gang members. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-passes-comstock-bill-targeting-immigrant-members-of-ms-13-gang/2017/09/14/71e97ce0-9956-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.599fb59e32e2
But, oh look!
"The bill was slammed by the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the American Civil Liberties Union, which argued it would promote racial profiling, erode due process and unintentionally affect others, such as clergy who try to help gang members." And this:

"Democrats speaking against the bill said they agreed there must be a way to curtail MS-13, but Comstock’s bill would have unintended consequences and face legal challenges.
“We all agree MS-13 is a problem and I think she’d be better served by working in a bipartisan manner to find a responsible solution rather than doing something on her own that’s probably dead on arrival in the Senate,” Beyer said after the vote.
Immigrant advocates objected to the bill, saying it would give law enforcement wide latitude in designating groups of people as gangs and seeking to deport, detain or block their asylum before a crime has been committed.
“This feels just like yet another barely thinly veiled attempt to criminalize and demonize immigrants in order to justify what this administration has consistently promoted as their commitment to a massive deportation regime,” said Avideh Moussavian, a senior policy attorney at the National Immigration Law Center.

So you see, despite the best efforts of Republicans, liberals just can't stop themselves from declaring even deportation of MS-13 members, somehow wrong. So liberals - take a good look in the mirror at exactly what's stopping our immigration laws from being enforced. You.

Don't have enough R votes, eh? Isn't that what you meant to say?

Here's a question for you: why do you defend illegal immigration and sanctuary cities? Why do you support law breakers? We'll wait.

It's so telling how no liberals have answered this. And they never will.

Anonymous wrote:Democrats approach to "fixing" immigration is to grant amnesty to the 11 million + who are in the country illegally.

They rationalize it with comments about it being humane, strict border controls in the future, some sort of fine and a multi-year wait for citizenship.

But ultimately the goal is to grant everyone legal residence to satisfy the Hispanic lobby and to ensure that their voting bloc of Hispanics increases. To hell with the law and any sense of fairness to those who waited years to enter the country legally.

+1,000
And then the dolts on this thread blame it on Republicans; when, in reality, it's the Democrats in Congress who block every effort Republicans make to reform illegal immigration. Liberal hypocrisy strikes again (and again).