Anonymous wrote:My daughter had a male teacher and he was (without a doubt) one of the best teachers she's had so far (shout out Mr Williams!). I could never see him saying something like this.

Anonymous wrote:My second graders teacher (male) told all the girls that if they wanted to sit on the floor during circle time, they could only do that if they weren't wearing a dress. If they had on a dress, they had to sit on a chair. He said something about "sitting like a lady" They had to sit on a chair even if they had on leggings under the dress. My daughter doesn't like dresses anyway so she isn't fazed but I didn't like this kind of policing (?) what do you guys think? Her friend refuses to wear dresses anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:...back in non-crazy land (male preschool teacher again), the good news is that my parents get comfortable with me quickly once they realize that, yes, men can be nurturing, caring creatures around young kids, and that their kids love to come to school. But my guard is always up at some level, because it has to be. Female teachers can have kids sit in their laps all day long; I never allow it. I rarely offer hugs to kids spontaneously, although I always accept them; the female teachers are far more likely to just go and hug kids because they want to. Our school doesn't have an on paper rule against going into the girls' bathroom if male, but it's a de-facto one that female teachers are allowed in both gender bathrooms while males are relegated to the male bathroom (as if our background checks only searched for male child abuse). It goes on and on; like any other minority, you walk in two worlds and learn to navigate both so the majority (i.e., the female teachers and parents) don't feel threatened.

I love my job despite the nonsense. And a good male preschool teacher is a far better one than a good female preschool teacher because he'll have worked a hell of a lot harder to get there and stay there (much like a good female engineer vs a good male one).

And I'm all in favor of male pre-school teachers, and male elementary school teachers, and male [any stereotypically female/caring profession]. Really, I am. But you don't do yourself any favors when you talk about "modesty" for two-year-old girls who are "flashing" their underwear.

What would you prefer he say?

All of the stuff that he said immediately above is just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:...back in non-crazy land (male preschool teacher again), the good news is that my parents get comfortable with me quickly once they realize that, yes, men can be nurturing, caring creatures around young kids, and that their kids love to come to school. But my guard is always up at some level, because it has to be. Female teachers can have kids sit in their laps all day long; I never allow it. I rarely offer hugs to kids spontaneously, although I always accept them; the female teachers are far more likely to just go and hug kids because they want to. Our school doesn't have an on paper rule against going into the girls' bathroom if male, but it's a de-facto one that female teachers are allowed in both gender bathrooms while males are relegated to the male bathroom (as if our background checks only searched for male child abuse). It goes on and on; like any other minority, you walk in two worlds and learn to navigate both so the majority (i.e., the female teachers and parents) don't feel threatened.

I love my job despite the nonsense. And a good male preschool teacher is a far better one than a good female preschool teacher because he'll have worked a hell of a lot harder to get there and stay there (much like a good female engineer vs a good male one).

And I'm all in favor of male pre-school teachers, and male elementary school teachers, and male [any stereotypically female/caring profession]. Really, I am. But you don't do yourself any favors when you talk about "modesty" for two-year-old girls who are "flashing" their underwear.

What would you prefer he say?

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Anonymous wrote:...back in non-crazy land (male preschool teacher again), the good news is that my parents get comfortable with me quickly once they realize that, yes, men can be nurturing, caring creatures around young kids, and that their kids love to come to school. But my guard is always up at some level, because it has to be. Female teachers can have kids sit in their laps all day long; I never allow it. I rarely offer hugs to kids spontaneously, although I always accept them; the female teachers are far more likely to just go and hug kids because they want to. Our school doesn't have an on paper rule against going into the girls' bathroom if male, but it's a de-facto one that female teachers are allowed in both gender bathrooms while males are relegated to the male bathroom (as if our background checks only searched for male child abuse). It goes on and on; like any other minority, you walk in two worlds and learn to navigate both so the majority (i.e., the female teachers and parents) don't feel threatened.

I love my job despite the nonsense. And a good male preschool teacher is a far better one than a good female preschool teacher because he'll have worked a hell of a lot harder to get there and stay there (much like a good female engineer vs a good male one).

And I'm all in favor of male pre-school teachers, and male elementary school teachers, and male [any stereotypically female/caring profession]. Really, I am. But you don't do yourself any favors when you talk about "modesty" for two-year-old girls who are "flashing" their underwear.

What would you prefer he say?

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Anonymous wrote:...back in non-crazy land (male preschool teacher again), the good news is that my parents get comfortable with me quickly once they realize that, yes, men can be nurturing, caring creatures around young kids, and that their kids love to come to school. But my guard is always up at some level, because it has to be. Female teachers can have kids sit in their laps all day long; I never allow it. I rarely offer hugs to kids spontaneously, although I always accept them; the female teachers are far more likely to just go and hug kids because they want to. Our school doesn't have an on paper rule against going into the girls' bathroom if male, but it's a de-facto one that female teachers are allowed in both gender bathrooms while males are relegated to the male bathroom (as if our background checks only searched for male child abuse). It goes on and on; like any other minority, you walk in two worlds and learn to navigate both so the majority (i.e., the female teachers and parents) don't feel threatened.

I love my job despite the nonsense. And a good male preschool teacher is a far better one than a good female preschool teacher because he'll have worked a hell of a lot harder to get there and stay there (much like a good female engineer vs a good male one).

And I'm all in favor of male pre-school teachers, and male elementary school teachers, and male [any stereotypically female/caring profession]. Really, I am. But you don't do yourself any favors when you talk about "modesty" for two-year-old girls who are "flashing" their underwear.

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Anonymous wrote:...back in non-crazy land (male preschool teacher again), the good news is that my parents get comfortable with me quickly once they realize that, yes, men can be nurturing, caring creatures around young kids, and that their kids love to come to school. But my guard is always up at some level, because it has to be. Female teachers can have kids sit in their laps all day long; I never allow it. I rarely offer hugs to kids spontaneously, although I always accept them; the female teachers are far more likely to just go and hug kids because they want to. Our school doesn't have an on paper rule against going into the girls' bathroom if male, but it's a de-facto one that female teachers are allowed in both gender bathrooms while males are relegated to the male bathroom (as if our background checks only searched for male child abuse). It goes on and on; like any other minority, you walk in two worlds and learn to navigate both so the majority (i.e., the female teachers and parents) don't feel threatened.

I love my job despite the nonsense. And a good male preschool teacher is a far better one than a good female preschool teacher because he'll have worked a hell of a lot harder to get there and stay there (much like a good female engineer vs a good male one).

And I'm all in favor of male pre-school teachers, and male elementary school teachers, and male [any stereotypically female/caring profession]. Really, I am. But you don't do yourself any favors when you talk about "modesty" for two-year-old girls who are "flashing" their underwear.

Anonymous wrote:...back in non-crazy land (male preschool teacher again), the good news is that my parents get comfortable with me quickly once they realize that, yes, men can be nurturing, caring creatures around young kids, and that their kids love to come to school. But my guard is always up at some level, because it has to be. Female teachers can have kids sit in their laps all day long; I never allow it. I rarely offer hugs to kids spontaneously, although I always accept them; the female teachers are far more likely to just go and hug kids because they want to. Our school doesn't have an on paper rule against going into the girls' bathroom if male, but it's a de-facto one that female teachers are allowed in both gender bathrooms while males are relegated to the male bathroom (as if our background checks only searched for male child abuse). It goes on and on; like any other minority, you walk in two worlds and learn to navigate both so the majority (i.e., the female teachers and parents) don't feel threatened.

I love my job despite the nonsense. And a good male preschool teacher is a far better one than a good female preschool teacher because he'll have worked a hell of a lot harder to get there and stay there (much like a good female engineer vs a good male one).

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I'm actually related to a couple of male teachers. They're not clutching their pearls about a four year old in tights. Because they're not perverts.

This will have no bearing on whether or not they will be accused of inappropriate behavior in the future. If you think this will be a valid defense god forbid something bad happens, you are sorely mistaken.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp, flashing = showing.

Children ARE immodest, unless someone teaches them otherwise.

No. Both complaining about a lack of modesty and "flashing" underwear are sexual ways of talking about nonsexual behavior. This guy is sexualizing little girls out of one side of his mouth and moaning that parents are worried he'll sexualize little girls out of the other side. And the crazy thing is that the original post was about second graders -- still too young for these worries, but getting closer to an age where the conversation needs to happen. This guy lowered the age of the immodest girls down to preschool and even bragged that his kid has been in an extra layer of undershorts since she was *two* while acting like anyone who doesn't see toddlers' underwear as inherently sexual is naive. This guy is a nut and the fact that he thinks he's the persecuted one is completely laughable.

When I read that he had his daughter wear something under her dress since she was 2, I read that as just starting that early to establish it as a habit - so there wouldn't be battles later. I'm not sure why you jumped to sexualizing a 2 year old. But that's just me.