Anonymous wrote:https://talkpoverty.org/2017/06/02/washington-posts-reporting-disability-giving-trump-cover-disability-cuts/

Read this. It explains the problem with this WaPo article. It's written by Rebecca Vallas, a nationally recognized law and policy expert at the Center for American progress.

Thanks for posting.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like they have multiple generations of family members living in that little house. Between all of them they bring in $2005 in disability and only have $167 left after bills paid. If bills are paid.

$600 for overdue electric, $300 for cell phones, $315 for store bought furniture charge. Plus all the pets.

It sounds like a lack of education combined with some real health issues, a limited ability to work (injury on the grandmother's part, IQ/possible trainability issues on the mother's part, having young kids to care for...

These folks have real obstacles, I guess the frustrating thing is how they seem to be compounding their own problems and then kicking the can down the road for their kids...it would be difficult for a kid to grow up like that and expect or want anything different in life. Not sure what the solution is.

Agree.

You have to make it so that it is "worth it" to NOT have kids. Any time kids bring in "extra" money, this is what you end up with with some families, especially the families that have been on disability (or welfare) for several generations.

Anonymous wrote:Looks like they have multiple generations of family members living in that little house. Between all of them they bring in $2005 in disability and only have $167 left after bills paid. If bills are paid.

$600 for overdue electric, $300 for cell phones, $315 for store bought furniture charge. Plus all the pets.

It sounds like a lack of education combined with some real health issues, a limited ability to work (injury on the grandmother's part, IQ/possible trainability issues on the mother's part, having young kids to care for...

These folks have real obstacles, I guess the frustrating thing is how they seem to be compounding their own problems and then kicking the can down the road for their kids...it would be difficult for a kid to grow up like that and expect or want anything different in life. Not sure what the solution is.

Agree.

I haven't read the rest of this thread -- but I didn't realize children could get disability payments. I looked it up - and I guess they can if their HHI is below a certain level. But I don't really understand it because its not like a child can contribute to the HHI. Interesting and eyeopening article. And people complain about folks on TANF!

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Are you being deliberately obtuse? I know you know how disability works. I know how disability works. They know how disability works. Why do you think they keep submitting the kids for disability? Why do you think they keep pestering the doctors about diagnoses for the kids? They can manage get to the doctor for all sorts of pills but can't get a scrip for birth control? They cannot say they don't have access to doctors.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

How many pain clinics are there in rural Missouri?

How many Planned Parenthood clinics?

Why is it so easy to get hooked on pain meds in Missouri, while difficult to get an abortion or access to birth control?

The twins were born preterm and underweight in a hospital to a destitute mother. Of course the hospital social worker sent their info in to SSI to get this family a little more income coming in before discharging them. Apparently Missouri does have some minimal safety net functioning, including the worker who came around to check in on the kids or whatever his role was.

Funny, they can manage to get to the psychiatrist and the pain clinic and to the Social Security office to try and collect benefits. I bet if they got money for being on BC they would magically find a way to get that, too. If Grandma can make it to the SS office "dozens of times", they can make it to the GYN once a year - if they wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday's Post had an article called "Generations Disabled" that I found pretty interesting. I have been lucky enough in my life not to have any experience with this sort of thing, but I really feel for the kids in this environment who are "labeled" and thus enabled to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How does this cycle even stop?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.dcd71507a0df

Free money. That's how they survive. Instead of disciplining, educating, and properly feeding those kids, grandma wants a government check and pour pills down their throats

All the wealthy families around here are pouring 2x the number of pills down their kids' throats so that they can work and not get a call from the school.
Every rich kid with any kind of issue around here in the rich area is ' autistic' too - because the parents want the benefits of free therapies for them.
People around here are WAY worse about that kind of thing . People around here falsely pile up the govt benefits for their kid way more. Those people actually need more therapies for their kids and they probably get nothing. Move those people to Fairfax and they'll get benefits for their kids .

The disability checks are a bit much. I do wonder how the mom or grandma or whatever she is can find childcare for her adult disabled child to work? I doubt that that Down syndrome daughter can be left alone .

This!! I find it outrageous to read in DCUM demanding free therapies, IEPs for their special snowflake at the expense of everyone around them. They scream "Its the law!" It's a rich person version of a welfare queen.

Us crazy SN moms fight for good IEPs so our kids will grow up to be productive citizens who have jobs.

They aren't SN if they are growing up to be independent and have a job.. But that's okay - just be honest about the resources you are using.

I would reply to you, but this is so ignorant and crazy that I think you are a troll.

Looks like they have multiple generations of family members living in that little house. Between all of them they bring in $2005 in disability and only have $167 left after bills paid. If bills are paid.

$600 for overdue electric, $300 for cell phones, $315 for store bought furniture charge. Plus all the pets.

It sounds like a lack of education combined with some real health issues, a limited ability to work (injury on the grandmother's part, IQ/possible trainability issues on the mother's part, having young kids to care for...

These folks have real obstacles, I guess the frustrating thing is how they seem to be compounding their own problems and then kicking the can down the road for their kids...it would be difficult for a kid to grow up like that and expect or want anything different in life. Not sure what the solution is.

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Are you being deliberately obtuse? I know you know how disability works. I know how disability works. They know how disability works. Why do you think they keep submitting the kids for disability? Why do you think they keep pestering the doctors about diagnoses for the kids? They can manage get to the doctor for all sorts of pills but can't get a scrip for birth control? They cannot say they don't have access to doctors.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

How many pain clinics are there in rural Missouri?

How many Planned Parenthood clinics?

Why is it so easy to get hooked on pain meds in Missouri, while difficult to get an abortion or access to birth control?

The twins were born preterm and underweight in a hospital to a destitute mother. Of course the hospital social worker sent their info in to SSI to get this family a little more income coming in before discharging them. Apparently Missouri does have some minimal safety net functioning, including the worker who came around to check in on the kids or whatever his role was.

Condoms are free. And the mother who let her 15 year old daughter get pregnant is an idiot. She should have served time for child neglect.

Anonymous wrote:Please quit hating on poor people. The people I know who are receiving disability are mostly people who worked for decades before applying in the mid 50s after being laid off for taking sick time.

Clearly you're not reading the thread. People who scam the system are the ones we're pissed off about. And if you don't know anyone like that then kudos to you but don't think every poor person deserves disability.

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Anonymous wrote:My father has family members who live close to the town in this article. I wish I could say the people in the story are some kind of anomoly there, but unfortunately, they are not.

This is the reality. The Wash Post did not find the one family doing this. Once the first family managed to work the system others perked up and took note for themselves.

What they should be cracking down on is the social security office that these people are using. The one around here is incredibly strict and once you are in the 'appeals' pipeline you have little chance of being approved. First you go to an appeals board I think and then to a federal judge - I don't remember exactly but I had been speaking with a former social security judge who does appeals for people and she said it's pretty impossible to get approved. WaPo should interview some former judges - apparently if you approve too many people (which this lady said is basically anyone) you get demoted and pushed out the door after being made to absolutely hate your life.

I have no doubt this is true for you and others posting here. I am sure that white collar job holders in large metro areas who are educated face a very long and hard road to getting disability. But I don't believe the same is true for blue collar indivudals in rural areas. The former are less likely to have physical disabilities that limit their jobs bc their jobs are not manual labor.

So yes, it might be hard for you to get disability but for the rural families mentioned in he article? The path is easier and as long as one perseveres through the appeals has a good chance of being successful.

Especially if the applicant doesn't even have a high school diploma. There are very few "light labor" or desk jobs available to people without a high school diploma.

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Are you being deliberately obtuse? I know you know how disability works. I know how disability works. They know how disability works. Why do you think they keep submitting the kids for disability? Why do you think they keep pestering the doctors about diagnoses for the kids? They can manage get to the doctor for all sorts of pills but can't get a scrip for birth control? They cannot say they don't have access to doctors.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

How many pain clinics are there in rural Missouri?

How many Planned Parenthood clinics?

Why is it so easy to get hooked on pain meds in Missouri, while difficult to get an abortion or access to birth control?

The twins were born preterm and underweight in a hospital to a destitute mother. Of course the hospital social worker sent their info in to SSI to get this family a little more income coming in before discharging them. Apparently Missouri does have some minimal safety net functioning, including the worker who came around to check in on the kids or whatever his role was.

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Anonymous wrote:My father has family members who live close to the town in this article. I wish I could say the people in the story are some kind of anomoly there, but unfortunately, they are not.

This is the reality. The Wash Post did not find the one family doing this. Once the first family managed to work the system others perked up and took note for themselves.

What they should be cracking down on is the social security office that these people are using. The one around here is incredibly strict and once you are in the 'appeals' pipeline you have little chance of being approved. First you go to an appeals board I think and then to a federal judge - I don't remember exactly but I had been speaking with a former social security judge who does appeals for people and she said it's pretty impossible to get approved. WaPo should interview some former judges - apparently if you approve too many people (which this lady said is basically anyone) you get demoted and pushed out the door after being made to absolutely hate your life.

I have no doubt this is true for you and others posting here. I am sure that white collar job holders in large metro areas who are educated face a very long and hard road to getting disability. But I don't believe the same is true for blue collar indivudals in rural areas. The former are less likely to have physical disabilities that limit their jobs bc their jobs are not manual labor.

So yes, it might be hard for you to get disability but for the rural families mentioned in he article? The path is easier and as long as one perseveres through the appeals has a good chance of being successful.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday's Post had an article called "Generations Disabled" that I found pretty interesting. I have been lucky enough in my life not to have any experience with this sort of thing, but I really feel for the kids in this environment who are "labeled" and thus enabled to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How does this cycle even stop?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.dcd71507a0df

Free money. That's how they survive. Instead of disciplining, educating, and properly feeding those kids, grandma wants a government check and pour pills down their throats

All the wealthy families around here are pouring 2x the number of pills down their kids' throats so that they can work and not get a call from the school.
Every rich kid with any kind of issue around here in the rich area is ' autistic' too - because the parents want the benefits of free therapies for them.
People around here are WAY worse about that kind of thing . People around here falsely pile up the govt benefits for their kid way more. Those people actually need more therapies for their kids and they probably get nothing. Move those people to Fairfax and they'll get benefits for their kids .

The disability checks are a bit much. I do wonder how the mom or grandma or whatever she is can find childcare for her adult disabled child to work? I doubt that that Down syndrome daughter can be left alone .

This!! I find it outrageous to read in DCUM demanding free therapies, IEPs for their special snowflake at the expense of everyone around them. They scream "Its the law!" It's a rich person version of a welfare queen.

WTF. I have a kid with autism. I can't decide if I should be offended or pissed.

These posters are crazy. Seriously, parents and the medical profession are in cohoots to get kids fake autism diagnoses? You are completely off your rocker and you are spreading crazy, dangerous lies. Talk about people who need medication!

You are pretty naive.

Yes, there are medical professionals who build whole practices on Medicaid and Medicare patients and certifying them for disability.

A pain clinic as one of the main staples of the nearest closest tiny "big" po dunk town? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:The article mentioned a relationship with on man, himself disabled. I think the father of the twins?

And another man, who was getting married to someone else.

Could have been three different fathers. Do NOT understand why she wasn't using implanted hormone birth control after the first pregnancy.

because republicans have made it clear that birth control is wrong and shouldn't be funded by the govt. Instead they would rather waste billion on these ding dongs who keep having babies.

All children are age 10 and under. There were PLENTY of BC options for these folks and they were still breeding like viruses.
You don't understand the core - they live off these kids.
Mimic china and panish people with $$$$$ for having, say, third child, they will find $25 for BC of pocket right away - even very very poor ones.
Has nothing to do with trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday's Post had an article called "Generations Disabled" that I found pretty interesting. I have been lucky enough in my life not to have any experience with this sort of thing, but I really feel for the kids in this environment who are "labeled" and thus enabled to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How does this cycle even stop?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.dcd71507a0df

Free money. That's how they survive. Instead of disciplining, educating, and properly feeding those kids, grandma wants a government check and pour pills down their throats

All the wealthy families around here are pouring 2x the number of pills down their kids' throats so that they can work and not get a call from the school.
Every rich kid with any kind of issue around here in the rich area is ' autistic' too - because the parents want the benefits of free therapies for them.
People around here are WAY worse about that kind of thing . People around here falsely pile up the govt benefits for their kid way more. Those people actually need more therapies for their kids and they probably get nothing. Move those people to Fairfax and they'll get benefits for their kids .

The disability checks are a bit much. I do wonder how the mom or grandma or whatever she is can find childcare for her adult disabled child to work? I doubt that that Down syndrome daughter can be left alone .

This!! I find it outrageous to read in DCUM demanding free therapies, IEPs for their special snowflake at the expense of everyone around them. They scream "Its the law!" It's a rich person version of a welfare queen.

Us crazy SN moms fight for good IEPs so our kids will grow up to be productive citizens who have jobs.

Welfare queen!