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Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

On the video there are women video present.

Sorry, PP, I was just speaking of the 18 charged. The gender is definitely not the issue, male or female.

Gender is certainly part of the larger context here. There is a culture of manliness, bravado, whatever you want to call it, that is associated with heavy drinking and not asking for help, if not denial. College-aged women and sororities can be mean, for sure, but you almost never hear of women dying from alcohol-related hazing incidents.

While plenty of sorority girls drink and engage in poor decision making and some hazing does go on, it is nothing like fraternities. Alcohol is not permitted in any sorority house and if any hazing activity is reported, it is acted upon quickly and decisively.

But as the other PPs have stated, this case is just reprehensible. There is no excuse for the conduct of the people in that fraternity house that night, male or female.

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Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

Where did you find these statistics?

The Sandusky scandal did not involve any students

If you choose not to attend a certain University, then don't go.

Fair point that if you a student already there, you have nothing to do with that. However, once the scandal broke out and it was clear that PSU football and upper level administration turned a blind eye towards these heinous crimes, why would you want to affiliate yourself with that school? When someone mentions Penn State to me, I immediately think of Sandusky.

Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

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Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

Where did you find these statistics?

The Sandusky scandal did not involve any students

If you choose not to attend a certain University, then don't go.

The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

+1. Assuming one had a choice, why would anyone choose to be associated with Sandusky's university? It suggests that the students don't give a F about a good reputation, don't think the moral stigma is significant, and think that institutions--whether the university or a frat--aren't liable for the poor behavior of its members.

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Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

On the video there are women video present.

Sorry, PP, I was just speaking of the 18 charged. The gender is definitely not the issue, male or female.

Gender is certainly part of the larger context here. There is a culture of manliness, bravado, whatever you want to call it, that is associated with heavy drinking and not asking for help, if not denial. College-aged women and sororities can be mean, for sure, but you almost never hear of women dying from alcohol-related hazing incidents.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

On the video there are women video present.

Sorry, PP, I was just speaking of the 18 charged. The gender is definitely not the issue, male or female.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

On the video there are women video present.

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

The guy's older brother goes to PSU as well. When Tim hadn't come home, his roommate called Tim's brother and I guess the brother had a hunch bc he called the local emergency room and was told his younger brother was there. How awful. Those sons of bitches. They could have dumped him outside at 10 pm, called his brother and said - come get him, he may need to go to the hospital but you figure it out. The older bro had decided frat life wasn't for him and he suspected it wouldn't be for Tim either but when he said he wanted to pledge, the older bro told him about the craziness, to not careful, walk away anytime etc. So I fully believe if the older bro had gotten a phone call, he would have been there and Tim would have gotten care 12 hrs earlier.

Anonymous wrote:Alcohol makes people do horrible things. Humans want to keep drinking this liquid drug and act shocked and appalled when terrible things happen. Like something fantastic and wonderful could ever come out of a bunch of drunk idiots.

I think the alcohol must have worn off hours into this ordeal. Only the victim was 'out of it' due to a severe head injury. The frat brothers are just crappy people. Odds are they'll try to blame their actions on alcohol in court but they are just crap.

Anonymous wrote:Just read an article in which the victim''s parents said he was treated like "roadkill" by the fraternity members. Apparently no one from the fraternity or the university attended the funeral or wake. How pathetic.

That's really awful!!!
Just gross.