Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 15:24     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump was in a meeting with Obama and the intelligence chiefs to learn what they had on his connections to Russia back in the early part of January. Remember?

That intelligence didn't just pop up out of the blue, it had been in collection for months. It's not news right now to Trump or anyone else that his communications had been under surveillance going back to at least summer of 2016.

My theory is that he's been playing beat the clock ever since that January meeting, doing everything he can to get ahead of the facts that will certainly come out by
1) discrediting the intelligence and anyone else who knows what's in it (e.g., Obama)
2) discrediting the media so no one will believe them when they report said facts,
3) shore up his public support with a barrage of controversial actions that piss off the left.

This last tactic is the one over which he has the most control and the most confidence. The more outraged the left becomes, the more his supporters dig in and fight back. It's a witch hunt! You're mad because you lost! You're not letting him do his job! You're being disrespectful!

This latest volley is the most desperate of all. If he were innocent, it really wouldn't be so difficult.




This exactly.


+2
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 15:16     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, this is not how an American President should act.

Hahahaha...we've fallen so far from that standard, it's not even worth discussing anymore.

#ThanksPeeOTUS
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 15:05     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Seriously, this is not how an American President should act.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 14:16     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:Trump was in a meeting with Obama and the intelligence chiefs to learn what they had on his connections to Russia back in the early part of January. Remember?

That intelligence didn't just pop up out of the blue, it had been in collection for months. It's not news right now to Trump or anyone else that his communications had been under surveillance going back to at least summer of 2016.

My theory is that he's been playing beat the clock ever since that January meeting, doing everything he can to get ahead of the facts that will certainly come out by
1) discrediting the intelligence and anyone else who knows what's in it (e.g., Obama)
2) discrediting the media so no one will believe them when they report said facts,
3) shore up his public support with a barrage of controversial actions that piss off the left.

This last tactic is the one over which he has the most control and the most confidence. The more outraged the left becomes, the more his supporters dig in and fight back. It's a witch hunt! You're mad because you lost! You're not letting him do his job! You're being disrespectful!

This latest volley is the most desperate of all. If he were innocent, it really wouldn't be so difficult.




This exactly.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 14:12     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Trump was in a meeting with Obama and the intelligence chiefs to learn what they had on his connections to Russia back in the early part of January. Remember?

That intelligence didn't just pop up out of the blue, it had been in collection for months. It's not news right now to Trump or anyone else that his communications had been under surveillance going back to at least summer of 2016.

My theory is that he's been playing beat the clock ever since that January meeting, doing everything he can to get ahead of the facts that will certainly come out by
1) discrediting the intelligence and anyone else who knows what's in it (e.g., Obama)
2) discrediting the media so no one will believe them when they report said facts,
3) shore up his public support with a barrage of controversial actions that piss off the left.

This last tactic is the one over which he has the most control and the most confidence. The more outraged the left becomes, the more his supporters dig in and fight back. It's a witch hunt! You're mad because you lost! You're not letting him do his job! You're being disrespectful!

This latest volley is the most desperate of all. If he were innocent, it really wouldn't be so difficult.

Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 13:50     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Sessions' banana-peel slip was also an indication there's something going on. So easy to say he'd met with the ambassador in his role as senator, but he had reason to pretend he hadn't.



Nope. Go listen to full exchange with Franken starting with CNN report.
Sessions is an honest man. You don't have to like him, but he is honest.


You believe he is being honest when he says he "can't remember" what he talked about with the ambassador just six months ago? Please. if that's the case he needs a full neurological workup.


If sessions was an honest man, he would not have failed to mention his meetings with the Russians. Come on! That is not honest. And he could have elaborated in his follow up written response.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 13:30     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Sessions' banana-peel slip was also an indication there's something going on. So easy to say he'd met with the ambassador in his role as senator, but he had reason to pretend he hadn't.



Nope. Go listen to full exchange with Franken starting with CNN report.
Sessions is an honest man. You don't have to like him, but he is honest.


You believe he is being honest when he says he "can't remember" what he talked about with the ambassador just six months ago? Please. if that's the case he needs a full neurological workup.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 13:30     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

This just seems like a massive deflection to take our minds off the Sessions-Russian Ambassador meetings. It seems desperate and semi-delusional. Maybe Trump's getting anxious with the prospect that he may have someone less subservient than Sessions at the helm of the investigation.

And shame on Ivanka and Jared. Fridays, before they start sabbath, they should remove all gadgets with Twitter access from Trump's small hands.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 13:26     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure but can we all agree not to pretend like he's magically "presidential" next time he manages to read a speech from a TelePrompTer with minimal outbursts?

Seriously, though, I bet he "found out" from infowars or something. Good luck with this one, Spicey!


Seriously! It didn't take much time for him to fall off the wagon and go on a very unpresidential Twitter rant, now did it? Makes me even more convinced he was on a sedative or some other meds for the speech.


Agree! Trump said he will bring the country together and end the petty fights. As this would build a solid foundation, I think it is the most important issue to pursue. I'm tired of him not living his promises.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 13:22     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure but can we all agree not to pretend like he's magically "presidential" next time he manages to read a speech from a TelePrompTer with minimal outbursts?

Seriously, though, I bet he "found out" from infowars or something. Good luck with this one, Spicey!


Seriously! It didn't take much time for him to fall off the wagon and go on a very unpresidential Twitter rant, now did it? Makes me even more convinced he was on a sedative or some other meds for the speech.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 13:09     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh god, you guys. Thursday, this was bullshitted about on some fringe radio show. Friday, Breitbart reported it. Saturday, Trump tweets it. He is getting all his info from nut jobs.


Well this is the other very serious question, isn't it? Either it is wholly fabricated, in which case Trump's tweets are ... troubling, especially since he has access to just about any and every bit of real information in the world at his disposal.

Or, if it did happen: 1) it means in authorizing a tap, a judge made a finding of probable cause that we all should be very worried about, and 2) it would have been classified information, which Trump has either just illegally disclosed, or illegally confirmed based on someone else's illegal disclosure.

There seems to be no good light to view the current President's conduct in this matter. The situation is far worse for Trump if it turns out to be true.


PP again: this is my guess about the matter, of course. I'm curious to see if those who understand this area of law agree with this theory?
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 13:06     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, you guys. Thursday, this was bullshitted about on some fringe radio show. Friday, Breitbart reported it. Saturday, Trump tweets it. He is getting all his info from nut jobs.


Well this is the other very serious question, isn't it? Either it is wholly fabricated, in which case Trump's tweets are ... troubling, especially since he has access to just about any and every bit of real information in the world at his disposal.

Or, if it did happen: 1) it means in authorizing a tap, a judge made a finding of probable cause that we all should be very worried about, and 2) it would have been classified information, which Trump has either just illegally disclosed, or illegally confirmed based on someone else's illegal disclosure.

There seems to be no good light to view the current President's conduct in this matter. The situation is far worse for Trump if it turns out to be true.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 12:58     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay so who reported it this way this morning: fox, infowars, breitbart or Reddit/t_d? Because he saw this somewhere and immediately took it as legit news he needed to propagate.


Maybe he's reading DCUM.

Seriously though, that Twitter rant was Crazytown. I wonder if he's trying to pretend he's too insane/stupid to be a traitor. I can't believe they allow him to keep his phone.


He must have such low self esteem to feel the need to tweet this:



7m
Donald J. Trump? @realDonaldTrump
Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't voluntarily leaving the Apprentice, he was fired by his bad (pathetic) ratings, not by me. Sad end to great show


He is such a loser.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 12:39     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh god, you guys. Thursday, this was bullshitted about on some fringe radio show. Friday, Breitbart reported it. Saturday, Trump tweets it. He is getting all his info from nut jobs.


But, this didn't start with "some fringe radio show" but rather with Louise Mensch. She has become very popular with some of the left. Her (imho crackpot) theories have infected both sides of the political spectrum.


They may be crackpot theories, but Trump's going out of his way to make it look like there's something to be nervous about.
jsteele
Post 03/04/2017 12:33     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, you guys. Thursday, this was bullshitted about on some fringe radio show. Friday, Breitbart reported it. Saturday, Trump tweets it. He is getting all his info from nut jobs.


But, this didn't start with "some fringe radio show" but rather with Louise Mensch. She has become very popular with some of the left. Her (imho crackpot) theories have infected both sides of the political spectrum.