The won't know until they find out the cod. They are only assuming he choked on his lunch.

Anonymous wrote:I learned that you're supposed to do the Heimlich (or back blows if it's a baby) until the person is unconscious and then you should start to do CPR because you want to try to get the blood flowing if you can.

This guidance is correct, as per the CPR/safety training I get annually at work (healthcare provider). But it's still not always effective, as the ER doc said.

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Anonymous wrote:How awful. I'm so sad for that poor family. I wonder what food provider the daycare uses, how hard were the meatballs? This breaks my heart.

Was it definitely provided by the daycare? I always sent food at my daycare. We do send meatballs (vegetarian ones) with my preschooler, though we usually cut them up.

Oxymoron. There's no such thing as a vegetarian meatballs. They're MEATballs, as in balls of MEAT.

Seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:ER physician here.

The Heimlich doesn't always work, even when performed perfectly. CPR rarely works in the field.

The reality is that shit happens and sometimes it's really bad. We want to believe that everything can be controlled if only the correct Heimlich or CPR or whatever protocol is followed. The reality is that it doesn't. People including kids die randomly and tragically from stuff every day.

+1.

Exactly. A 11 year old died from choking on a marshmallow not too long ago. She didn't chew it and ended up dying, still not anyone's fault.

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Anonymous wrote:How awful. I'm so sad for that poor family. I wonder what food provider the daycare uses, how hard were the meatballs? This breaks my heart.

Was it definitely provided by the daycare? I always sent food at my daycare. We do send meatballs (vegetarian ones) with my preschooler, though we usually cut them up.

Oxymoron. There's no such thing as a vegetarian meatballs. They're MEATballs, as in balls of MEAT.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the parent questioning why the child was given a meatball? That seems odd... was he not allowed to eat that food?

The grandmother released a video last night of the child recently eating meatballs at a family event. In her interviews last night, her question wasn't "why was he eating meatballs" it was "where was the supervision"?

The center has publicly stated that they immediately performed the hemliech maneuver and called 911. I have seen that performed in real life and it is horrifying when you cannot immediately dislodge the food. And it's not easy. Especially on a child.

I feel very badly for the family and also the teachers that tried to help.

These were tiny meat balls, not full size adult ones. The grandma needs to be quiet at this point. It's tragic but it's already sounding like a lawsuit which their insurance company will pay through the nose. This could have easily happened at home, no one's fault. Is grandma CPR and first aid trained? We know a lady who was watching a infant that died from SIDS. First thing they did was go on charity though they were well off, then they hit up the insurance company big time. Followed by various pics on FB of their expensive vacations.

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Anonymous wrote:ER physician here.

The Heimlich doesn't always work, even when performed perfectly. CPR rarely works in the field.

The reality is that shit happens and sometimes it's really bad. We want to believe that everything can be controlled if only the correct Heimlich or CPR or whatever protocol is followed. The reality is that it doesn't. People including kids die randomly and tragically from stuff every day.

+1.

I've been providing childcare for over 30 years, and have never had an emergency room situation. Call me lucky if you want, but I tend to think it's because I'm extremely vigilant about safety issues. I safety train annually, and am always aware of what "might" happen. Plus, you need to know each child in your care. That takes time and dedication. Yes, luck may be part of it, but certainly not all of it.

Back to the particular incident, does anyone know what happened to the people in charge?

Anonymous wrote:ER physician here.

The Heimlich doesn't always work, even when performed perfectly. CPR rarely works in the field.

The reality is that shit happens and sometimes it's really bad. We want to believe that everything can be controlled if only the correct Heimlich or CPR or whatever protocol is followed. The reality is that it doesn't. People including kids die randomly and tragically from stuff every day.

+1.

I learned that you're supposed to do the Heimlich (or back blows if it's a baby) until the person is unconscious and then you should start to do CPR because you want to try to get the blood flowing if you can.

Anonymous wrote:ER physician here.

The Heimlich doesn't always work, even when performed perfectly. CPR rarely works in the field.

The reality is that shit happens and sometimes it's really bad. We want to believe that everything can be controlled if only the correct Heimlich or CPR or whatever protocol is followed. The reality is that it doesn't. People including kids die randomly and tragically from stuff every day.

true but the Heimlich is much more effective than CPR. Everyone should get trained!

ER physician here.

The Heimlich doesn't always work, even when performed perfectly. CPR rarely works in the field.

The reality is that shit happens and sometimes it's really bad. We want to believe that everything can be controlled if only the correct Heimlich or CPR or whatever protocol is followed. The reality is that it doesn't. People including kids die randomly and tragically from stuff every day.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Well the family is on WTOP speaking ill of the daycare before they have all the facts. I'm sorry about what happened but they are obviously looking for someone to blame based on the radio interview. Sometimes it's just a shitty thing that happens and no one is to blame.

Yeah, but sometimes someone IS to blame, and that may very well be the case here. I think it's likely the parents have more facts about what occurred than you do.

The grandmother implied there were no staff members in the room when the kids were eating.

Yes, and what happened with CPR? You would think that timely administration would address a run-of-the-mill choking issue. And if there was no one available to do so in a timely matter that seems like blatant negligence by the daycare. That should be priority number one for daycare workers serving a meal.

CPR only works if you're able to dislodge whatever they're choking on. It's not a magic solution. Many people have died from choking while supervised, and with CPR given immediately.

It's important to know that supervision and CPR training can't prevent all deaths, so that people don't think "It's OK to serve grapes or hotdogs, as long as I'm watching".

I think it's way to early to know whether the child was supervised, and whether there was something about the meatballs that made them particularly risky. It's possible that there was negligence, and it's possible that the center did everything right, and it was just a case of incredibly bad luck. Either way, it's heartbreaking.

CPR is NOT given on a person who is choking. Where do you people learn this? Think about this slowly.

IF you had something in your throat blocking the airway, and someone goes to blow a breath in your mouth now where the hell do you think
the item blocking your airflow is going to go? DUH. You want it to come OUT, hence the Heimlich Maneuver.

You initially do a sweep of the mouth to make sure there is no blockage, and if you do know there is, you see if you can swipe it out with your
pinky finger and if that doesnt work, then the HM.

I learned that you would give blows on the back with the child in a horizontal position first to dislodge. Only after that fails would you then use the Heinrich meneuver. Maybe that protocol has changed since I took my first aid class several years ago.

What do you do when a baby is choking?


Continue alternating five back blows and five chest thrusts until the object is forced out or the baby starts to cough forcefully, cry, or breathe on his own. If he's coughing, let him try to cough up the object. If a baby who is choking on something becomes unconscious, you'll need to do what's called modified CPR.

How do you do the Heimlich on a toddler?

How to do it for kids older than 1:
Stand or kneel behind your kid, wrapping your arms around him.
Make a fist and place it just above his belly button.
Grasp your fist with your other hand and give quick upward thrusts.
Deliver thrusts until the object is dislodged or he begins breathing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well the family is on WTOP speaking ill of the daycare before they have all the facts. I'm sorry about what happened but they are obviously looking for someone to blame based on the radio interview. Sometimes it's just a shitty thing that happens and no one is to blame.

Yeah, but sometimes someone IS to blame, and that may very well be the case here. I think it's likely the parents have more facts about what occurred than you do.

The grandmother implied there were no staff members in the room when the kids were eating.

Yes, and what happened with CPR? You would think that timely administration would address a run-of-the-mill choking issue. And if there was no one available to do so in a timely matter that seems like blatant negligence by the daycare. That should be priority number one for daycare workers serving a meal.

CPR only works if you're able to dislodge whatever they're choking on. It's not a magic solution. Many people have died from choking while supervised, and with CPR given immediately.

It's important to know that supervision and CPR training can't prevent all deaths, so that people don't think "It's OK to serve grapes or hotdogs, as long as I'm watching".

I think it's way to early to know whether the child was supervised, and whether there was something about the meatballs that made them particularly risky. It's possible that there was negligence, and it's possible that the center did everything right, and it was just a case of incredibly bad luck. Either way, it's heartbreaking.

CPR is NOT given on a person who is choking. Where do you people learn this? Think about this slowly.

IF you had something in your throat blocking the airway, and someone goes to blow a breath in your mouth now where the hell do you think
the item blocking your airflow is going to go? DUH. You want it to come OUT, hence the Heimlich Maneuver.

You initially do a sweep of the mouth to make sure there is no blockage, and if you do know there is, you see if you can swipe it out with your
pinky finger and if that doesnt work, then the HM.

I learned that you would give blows on the back with the child in a horizontal position first to dislodge. Only after that fails would you then use the Heinrich meneuver. Maybe that protocol has changed since I took my first aid class several years ago.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well the family is on WTOP speaking ill of the daycare before they have all the facts. I'm sorry about what happened but they are obviously looking for someone to blame based on the radio interview. Sometimes it's just a shitty thing that happens and no one is to blame.

Yeah, but sometimes someone IS to blame, and that may very well be the case here. I think it's likely the parents have more facts about what occurred than you do.

The grandmother implied there were no staff members in the room when the kids were eating.

Yes, and what happened with CPR? You would think that timely administration would address a run-of-the-mill choking issue. And if there was no one available to do so in a timely matter that seems like blatant negligence by the daycare. That should be priority number one for daycare workers serving a meal.

CPR only works if you're able to dislodge whatever they're choking on. It's not a magic solution. Many people have died from choking while supervised, and with CPR given immediately.

It's important to know that supervision and CPR training can't prevent all deaths, so that people don't think "It's OK to serve grapes or hotdogs, as long as I'm watching".

I think it's way to early to know whether the child was supervised, and whether there was something about the meatballs that made them particularly risky. It's possible that there was negligence, and it's possible that the center did everything right, and it was just a case of incredibly bad luck. Either way, it's heartbreaking.

CPR is NOT given on a person who is choking. Where do you people learn this? Think about this slowly.

IF you had something in your throat blocking the airway, and someone goes to blow a breath in your mouth now where the hell do you think
the item blocking your airflow is going to go? DUH. You want it to come OUT, hence the Heimlich Maneuver.

You initially do a sweep of the mouth to make sure there is no blockage, and if you do know there is, you see if you can swipe it out with your
pinky finger and if that doesnt work, then the HM.

Anonymous wrote:

Well the family is on WTOP speaking ill of the daycare before they have all the facts. I'm sorry about what happened but they are obviously looking for someone to blame based on the radio interview. Sometimes it's just a shitty thing that happens and no one is to blame.

Yeah, but sometimes someone IS to blame, and that may very well be the case here. I think it's likely the parents have more facts about what occurred than you do.

The grandmother implied there were no staff members in the room when the kids were eating.

Yes, and what happened with CPR? You would think that timely administration would address a run-of-the-mill choking issue. And if there was no one available to do so in a timely matter that seems like blatant negligence by the daycare. That should be priority number one for daycare workers serving a meal.

Excuse me but you do not perform CPR on a person - child or adult - that is choking. You perform the Heimlich Maneuver. Perhaps you should take a class sometime so you can learn
the difference.

Sad as this story is, it happens. Until those investigating what happened determines what exactly caused the death and the hows and why I dont think it is fair to attack the daycare,
workers, cooks, parents or the child (as if he/she should be) until all the facts are made available.