Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 14:39     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote: Because only yes means yes and she never says yes in the song. Trying to change someone's mind repeatedly without regard to them not saying yes is an act of violence.


She never says "no" either. Are today's "women" really this stupid and helpless?
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 14:38     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote: Because only yes means yes and she never says yes in the song. Trying to change someone's mind repeatedly without regard to them not saying yes is an act of violence.


OMG. No, it's not.

Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 14:36     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Because only yes means yes and she never says yes in the song. Trying to change someone's mind repeatedly without regard to them not saying yes is an act of violence.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 23:25     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:Women are empowered, not by playing games, but by owning and celebrating their sexuality.

That is the societal message I would like for my daughter. Though I don't need to worry about her getting a different message, at least not from that dated song - - she would never listen to my radio station!


But someone can own and celebrate their sexuality and want too have sex with a particular person and still not be sure it's a good idea--for a whole host of reasons.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 23:17     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In the version I'm thinking of, the most common one, the lyrics feel dated because the man is not taking no for an answer even though the woman keeps trying. Nowadays it feels inappropriate to pressure someone so relentlessly. That's all, really.


Nowadays it seems ridiculous that a woman experiencing such mild "pressure" can't tell the man to knock it off or get up and walk out if agrees unhappy with the situation.


Which is why it's very strange and weird. It seems more like a hostage situation than romantic


No, what it seems like it's that she actually doesn't want to leave.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 23:16     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:I wonder what barren, flirt free, sanitized, puritanical love lives these millenials have if they only see rape in a song that is clearly a give and take flirtation.


+1

This is why we see newspaper articles about the fact that millennials aren't having any sex at all.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 23:16     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In the version I'm thinking of, the most common one, the lyrics feel dated because the man is not taking no for an answer even though the woman keeps trying. Nowadays it feels inappropriate to pressure someone so relentlessly. That's all, really.


Nowadays it seems ridiculous that a woman experiencing such mild "pressure" can't tell the man to knock it off or get up and walk out if agrees unhappy with the situation.


Which is why it's very strange and weird. It seems more like a hostage situation than romantic
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 23:15     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:In the version I'm thinking of, the most common one, the lyrics feel dated because the man is not taking no for an answer even though the woman keeps trying. Nowadays it feels inappropriate to pressure someone so relentlessly. That's all, really.


Nowadays it seems ridiculous that a woman experiencing such mild "pressure" can't tell the man to knock it off or get up and walk out if agrees unhappy with the situation.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 22:13     Subject: Re: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly as someone who experienced date rape, it drives me crazy when people call this song "rapey". This song is NOT what rape is like, in ANY sense. And I dont believe that there would be a single rape victim who would ever suggest that what they experienced sounds like this song.

"Rapey" is offensive. Rape is rape, there's no such thing as something being "rapey", its not an adjective, its a verb. A violent verb, not a playful banter.



Exactly!


I have not experienced sexual assault, but I wanted to really say "THANK YOU" for this. I think the song shows a double standard that is shitty and not cute but "rapey" is just as offensive IMO as someone saying something gross like "I got butt raped by that physics test" or other neanderthal expressions I heard in my youth
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 15:29     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:Women are empowered, not by playing games, but by owning and celebrating their sexuality.

That is the societal message I would like for my daughter. Though I don't need to worry about her getting a different message, at least not from that dated song - - she would never listen to my radio station!


+1

Glad I never listened to this trash while growing up!
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 15:28     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
I wonder what barren, flirt free, sanitized, puritanical love lives these millenials have if they only see rape in a song that is clearly a give and take flirtation.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 15:25     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:Women are empowered, not by playing games, but by owning and celebrating their sexuality.

That is the societal message I would like for my daughter. Though I don't need to worry about her getting a different message, at least not from that dated song - - she would never listen to my radio station!


The song was written in the 1940s.

Do you not have the ability to appreciate historical context?
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 13:47     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:Women are empowered, not by playing games, but by owning and celebrating their sexuality.

That is the societal message I would like for my daughter. Though I don't need to worry about her getting a different message, at least not from that dated song - - she would never listen to my radio station!


Women are empowered by navigating relationships the way they are comfortable navigating them. Some women, just like some men, are not comfortable being super forward. The two people in BICO are not playing games. They are flirting.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 10:29     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Women are empowered, not by playing games, but by owning and celebrating their sexuality.

That is the societal message I would like for my daughter. Though I don't need to worry about her getting a different message, at least not from that dated song - - she would never listen to my radio station!
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 08:14     Subject: Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?
Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thread, so not sure if someone has already mentioned this, but when listening to the song it's important to listen to the tone. The woman's tone is very playful and coy. No way is this a "rapey" song.

I understand that if you're ONLY considering the song in today's context, and are looking at the lyrics w/o regard for the tone, it could be suspect. But, context and tone are important to its interpretation.

I actually think this is a cute song, and I think the PC police went a little crazy here. And I say that as POC, woman, and very liberal Democrat.



I agree. It's pretty clear from her tone that she wants to stay, but is afraid of what the neighbors will think.