Anonymous wrote:The "evil" breeders are about as similar to breeders we have used as a 1 bedroom shack without proper HVAC/plumbing etc is to my home.

The dogs live better than most people.

Keep telling yourself that. Have you actually seen one? Where these "evil" breeders keep their dogs? And certainly you would concede you haven't seen them all.

I call some bullshit on some of these posts. I have (in the past but don't currently as we have a small child) fostered and worked with rescues/shelters for years. I don't know anyone who is anything other than completely dedicated to placing these animals -many who have been abandoned, neglected, abused, cast away by the people who they trusted and as a result have some trust issues- in loving homes. People who have rescues SHOULD be proud. People who help place them SHOULD be proud. They do the shit work to deal with other people's shit behavior. They take them in, vet them, feed them, clean up after them, potty train them, and find them hopefully their forever homes. They deal with the people who come in giving up or returning their pets for all number of reasons and console those animals while they shake and whimper in their cages. They deal with the people coming in only want dogs that "don't bark, shed, jump", that is, act like dogs. They put up with a LOT of crap. So, yes, they should get some respect. And if they mention their rescues, so what?

I don't know a single person who references their rescue as anything other than as a hope to have that dog be an ambassador for other rescues. So please look at it that way. That's what it is. People think very negatively about rescued dogs. The comments I've received from people who should know better have proved that people don't understand what you can get (in terms of breeds) form shelters and rescues. Or who assume every rescue is unpredictable, aggressive, etc. So, yeah, some of it is education.

As for breeders, I'm sure there are responsible breeders. I've even known one. But, don't kid yourself. They are in a minority and, yes, every bred animal displaces another down the chain. And some of them end up in rescue (there are MANY breed specific rescues out there). You can justify it all you want, but don't kid yourself about the consequences of your purebred dog. I'm not saying don't do it; I've known many bred dogs who are wonderful as are their "parents." But, I do think a little less of someone who does it. We all have our judgments; this is one of mine. And if you're offended about someone referencing their "rescue" status, perhaps that's just you being a little defensive.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think of either of my dogs as "rescued" but sometimes I feel the need to explain. I have a schnoodle and nearly every day people what kind of dog he is. I feel a little embarrassed that somebody will think I spent a thousand dollars on the little goofball so I usually say something like he's a schnoodle and we're his fourth home. It's not meant as a brag, just an explanation that I didn't purchase a designer dog. I didn't rescue either of them, they both would have found homes if I didn't take them.

This makes me laugh because we had a schnoodle when I was a kid in the '80s, except then they were just called mutts. My parents found her in 1979 wandering around on the street, pregnant, with icicles dripping off of her fur. Nowadays, they probably could have gotten a huge reward! (Back then, no one responded to their "found dog" posters and we got an amazing family pet.)

They're wonderful teddy bear dogs, I can see the appeal. I just wouldn't pay that much for a dog.

We all make good choices and we all make choices that some might see as selfish. I've fostered enough to know that a rescue is not right for our family, so breeder it is. But I make a lot of other responsible choices, so we all are just doing the best we can aren't we.

This is such a stupid argument. The truth is that "designer dogs" who are not bought will become "rescues".

Having a dog or a cat is the least environment friendly thing you can do with animals. They are not endangered species. Most pet owners do not clean up after their dogs and so there feces is mixed in with the water in our ponds and streams, polluting everything.

It is laughable if people are smug about adopting rescues, when just having a pet is such an environmentally irresponsible thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:A medium sized dog almost bit my three year old in the face yesterday. She was sitting down in her stroller as we passed the dog and its owner on the sidewalk. I pulled my own, very small dog, to the right side of me as we passed since the dog was starting to bark and growl. All my daughter did was to look at the dog. What happens? The dog goes for the child. Teeth exposed, jaws snapping. Perhaps two inches from her face, held back with the lead. Sorry all rescue enthusiasts. You can never be sure what you're getting.

I recently saw a woman at a car rental with a dog on a leash--about 25 pounds. Her in a chair me at the desk. Lunged and snapped when got within 5 feet of it. It was a business and the gate to get behind the desk was not usable by staff until she picked up the dog securely. Thing needed to be in public area with a muzzle and she said it doesn't like when people get near her.

I've walked past malinois, shepherds, labs on leads with cops and not seen this hazard. ie in crowded train stations

These two posts are pointless if you don't say if you asked whether the dog was a rescue or
Not. My dog is a rescue and is amazing with people of all ages, is housetrained but only likes certain dogs, and the shelter told me this before I adopted him. There are plenty of rescue places and shelters that will tell you both the positives and negatives of a dog so you can make an informed decision.

My posts are not pointless. Why do I have to ask if a dog is a rescue? Does that excuse bad behavior? The owner said she got the dog when it was about 2. Take it from there. Too many people use rescue dog as an excuse. FYI it was a poorly bred american cocker spaniel with an unstable temperment.

Now if it was from a great breeder who shows etc the dog was a lemon-that temperment would be a hazard in the show ring.

The "evil" breeders are about as similar to breeders we have used as a 1 bedroom shack without proper HVAC/plumbing etc is to my home.

The dogs live better than most people.

What you said was, "It's not like rescue dogs come from breeders. I'm unaware of bred dogs resulting in many unwanted dogs."

But as I demonstrated with just a few quick links, a significant number of these purebreds do end up being abandoned. And that's not even the entire universe of purebred rescue groups. There are thousands in the US.

Now you are pointing out the obvious, that people want puppies. Yes, I am clear on the fact that people prefer adorable little puppies with no baggage and no scars. That most people prefer to avoid the experience of having a beloved pet die. Thus discouraging the adoption of these many unwanted adult and senior dog.

That doesn't mean that those of us who care can't continue to try to get these dogs adopted. Including efforts to help educate people about the evils of breeders, puppy mills, and pets stores.

I don't harass people in public with their purebreds. I'm not rude. But on a discussion board, I'm not going to pretend to be OK with people saying "a breeder is the right choice for my family". It is a selfish choice which increases demand for an evil industry.

People will engage in all kinds of evil behaviors for a buck. Breeding puppies is an easy way to make money and there's very little regulation. Check out the story of breeding dog "Lily" - who was "registered" with the American Kennel Club. If you have the courage.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/28/1174308/-Lily-a-Hero-for-Mill-Dogs

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Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.

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For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.

It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.

You should get another rescue dog then. And another. And another. You are personally responsible for all those dogs not in your house right now that just died. How selfish of you, to limit the amount of dogs you have. You should move to a 10-acre plot in WV and rescue 100 dogs. Look, 100 dogs will die tomorrow because you were too selfish to change your lifestyle to save them.

Do you see where I'm going here? Did you not learn anything about trying to understand other people's points of view from the election? You're actually hurting the cause by being so nasty.

BTW I foster rescue dogs, and we are getting one from a breeder. That's the best fit for our family. It's breeder dog or none, so I guess we came out ahead as far as dog karma goes.

Oh look, another dog just died because you didn't save it.

You are the one being nasty.

I don't believe for a second that you foster rescue dogs. No dog foster mom would lecture people about not saving every dog on the planet. That's not possible for anyone. YOU are hurting the cause by saying such nonsense.

And I honestly do not believe that an experienced dog foster mom would get a dog from a breeder. It shows an inconsistency in values that I just don't buy.

If you foster rescue dogs, you already know the lesson I am teaching my kids when we send each foster dog off to his new home:

"We can't adopt every dog. But by fostering, we are able to save many lives instead of just one permanently adopted dog".

You posted your nasty post above because you feel defensive about getting a dog from a breeder. As you should. Because doing so encourages the birth of more, and more, and more dogs, adding to the terrible problem of unwanted dogs in society.

And bringing the election into it, what nonsense.

This doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like rescue dogs come from breeders. I'm unaware of bred dogs resulting in many unwanted dogs. Seems like most rescue dogs are unwanted breeds, mutts and often come from poor areas of the country. Seems like poverty and lack of neutering/spaying results in rescue dogs.

I'm wondering if you even know what you are talking about. On what do you base your observations? The last two foster dogs I had were 1) a purebred super smart black poodle who had been kicked and had broken bones in his hips, and 2) a pure bred silky terrier who was tied in the backyard because he started peeing in the house when his owner had a baby.

My own dog is a RESCUE (I know I'm bad for saying so) pure bred chihuahua I got from the shelter. He smelled like death when I got him because his owner had never gotten him any dental care, and his teeth were rotting out of his head. He was starved because that kept his weight down which made him more valuable as a breeding dog, which is apparently what he was used for. "Teacup" chihuahuas are more valuable for breeding, you see. Once my dog got old and smelly and was no longer valuable as a stud, he was dumped at the shelter. He's going blind and deaf now as well. Chihuahuas live a long time.... check out Chihuahua Rescue and Transport online.... highly bred dog. Highly abandoned and euthanized, as well.

So tell me again how rescue dogs don't come from breeders?

Go look at any rescue agency website and you'll see most dogs up for adoption are mutts. In other words they didn't come from breeders.

ANY rescue agency website? OK, challenge accepted:

http://silkyrescue.tripod.com/

http://www.brood-va.org/index.htm

http://houndrescue.com/

http://www.mabcr.org/

http://www.magsr.org/

http://www.majr.org/Available_dogs.php

And I don't have time to google any more of this for you. I will leave you with my personal favorite, National Mill Dog Rescue. Puppy Mills. AKA "Breeders".

http://milldogrescue.org/

Most of these look like adult dogs.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.

+1

For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.

It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.

You should get another rescue dog then. And another. And another. You are personally responsible for all those dogs not in your house right now that just died. How selfish of you, to limit the amount of dogs you have. You should move to a 10-acre plot in WV and rescue 100 dogs. Look, 100 dogs will die tomorrow because you were too selfish to change your lifestyle to save them.

Do you see where I'm going here? Did you not learn anything about trying to understand other people's points of view from the election? You're actually hurting the cause by being so nasty.

BTW I foster rescue dogs, and we are getting one from a breeder. That's the best fit for our family. It's breeder dog or none, so I guess we came out ahead as far as dog karma goes.

Oh look, another dog just died because you didn't save it.

You are the one being nasty.

I don't believe for a second that you foster rescue dogs. No dog foster mom would lecture people about not saving every dog on the planet. That's not possible for anyone. YOU are hurting the cause by saying such nonsense.

And I honestly do not believe that an experienced dog foster mom would get a dog from a breeder. It shows an inconsistency in values that I just don't buy.

If you foster rescue dogs, you already know the lesson I am teaching my kids when we send each foster dog off to his new home:

"We can't adopt every dog. But by fostering, we are able to save many lives instead of just one permanently adopted dog".

You posted your nasty post above because you feel defensive about getting a dog from a breeder. As you should. Because doing so encourages the birth of more, and more, and more dogs, adding to the terrible problem of unwanted dogs in society.

And bringing the election into it, what nonsense.

This doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like rescue dogs come from breeders. I'm unaware of bred dogs resulting in many unwanted dogs. Seems like most rescue dogs are unwanted breeds, mutts and often come from poor areas of the country. Seems like poverty and lack of neutering/spaying results in rescue dogs.

I'm wondering if you even know what you are talking about. On what do you base your observations? The last two foster dogs I had were 1) a purebred super smart black poodle who had been kicked and had broken bones in his hips, and 2) a pure bred silky terrier who was tied in the backyard because he started peeing in the house when his owner had a baby.

My own dog is a RESCUE (I know I'm bad for saying so) pure bred chihuahua I got from the shelter. He smelled like death when I got him because his owner had never gotten him any dental care, and his teeth were rotting out of his head. He was starved because that kept his weight down which made him more valuable as a breeding dog, which is apparently what he was used for. "Teacup" chihuahuas are more valuable for breeding, you see. Once my dog got old and smelly and was no longer valuable as a stud, he was dumped at the shelter. He's going blind and deaf now as well. Chihuahuas live a long time.... check out Chihuahua Rescue and Transport online.... highly bred dog. Highly abandoned and euthanized, as well.

So tell me again how rescue dogs don't come from breeders?

Go look at any rescue agency website and you'll see most dogs up for adoption are mutts. In other words they didn't come from breeders.

ANY rescue agency website? OK, challenge accepted:

http://silkyrescue.tripod.com/

http://www.brood-va.org/index.htm

http://houndrescue.com/

http://www.mabcr.org/

http://www.magsr.org/

http://www.majr.org/Available_dogs.php

And I don't have time to google any more of this for you. I will leave you with my personal favorite, National Mill Dog Rescue. Puppy Mills. AKA "Breeders".

http://milldogrescue.org/

Obviously breed specific rescues will have purebreds. I'm talking about standard rescuers like lucky dog rescue.

Another factor you haven't considered is a lot of people want a puppy. Dogs don't live long enough and their death is heartbreaking. Buying or adopting a puppy means your dog will be around for a long longer. It's harder to find puppies through rescues.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.

+1

For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.

It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.

You should get another rescue dog then. And another. And another. You are personally responsible for all those dogs not in your house right now that just died. How selfish of you, to limit the amount of dogs you have. You should move to a 10-acre plot in WV and rescue 100 dogs. Look, 100 dogs will die tomorrow because you were too selfish to change your lifestyle to save them.

Do you see where I'm going here? Did you not learn anything about trying to understand other people's points of view from the election? You're actually hurting the cause by being so nasty.

BTW I foster rescue dogs, and we are getting one from a breeder. That's the best fit for our family. It's breeder dog or none, so I guess we came out ahead as far as dog karma goes.

Oh look, another dog just died because you didn't save it.

You are the one being nasty.

I don't believe for a second that you foster rescue dogs. No dog foster mom would lecture people about not saving every dog on the planet. That's not possible for anyone. YOU are hurting the cause by saying such nonsense.

And I honestly do not believe that an experienced dog foster mom would get a dog from a breeder. It shows an inconsistency in values that I just don't buy.

If you foster rescue dogs, you already know the lesson I am teaching my kids when we send each foster dog off to his new home:

"We can't adopt every dog. But by fostering, we are able to save many lives instead of just one permanently adopted dog".

You posted your nasty post above because you feel defensive about getting a dog from a breeder. As you should. Because doing so encourages the birth of more, and more, and more dogs, adding to the terrible problem of unwanted dogs in society.

And bringing the election into it, what nonsense.

This doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like rescue dogs come from breeders. I'm unaware of bred dogs resulting in many unwanted dogs. Seems like most rescue dogs are unwanted breeds, mutts and often come from poor areas of the country. Seems like poverty and lack of neutering/spaying results in rescue dogs.

I'm wondering if you even know what you are talking about. On what do you base your observations? The last two foster dogs I had were 1) a purebred super smart black poodle who had been kicked and had broken bones in his hips, and 2) a pure bred silky terrier who was tied in the backyard because he started peeing in the house when his owner had a baby.

My own dog is a RESCUE (I know I'm bad for saying so) pure bred chihuahua I got from the shelter. He smelled like death when I got him because his owner had never gotten him any dental care, and his teeth were rotting out of his head. He was starved because that kept his weight down which made him more valuable as a breeding dog, which is apparently what he was used for. "Teacup" chihuahuas are more valuable for breeding, you see. Once my dog got old and smelly and was no longer valuable as a stud, he was dumped at the shelter. He's going blind and deaf now as well. Chihuahuas live a long time.... check out Chihuahua Rescue and Transport online.... highly bred dog. Highly abandoned and euthanized, as well.

So tell me again how rescue dogs don't come from breeders?

Go look at any rescue agency website and you'll see most dogs up for adoption are mutts. In other words they didn't come from breeders.

ANY rescue agency website? OK, challenge accepted:

http://silkyrescue.tripod.com/

http://www.brood-va.org/index.htm

http://houndrescue.com/

http://www.mabcr.org/

http://www.magsr.org/

http://www.majr.org/Available_dogs.php

And I don't have time to google any more of this for you. I will leave you with my personal favorite, National Mill Dog Rescue. Puppy Mills. AKA "Breeders".

http://milldogrescue.org/

PS, next foster lined up for my house is a Chinese Crested Hairless. Purebred. Just sayin.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.

+1

For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.

It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.

You should get another rescue dog then. And another. And another. You are personally responsible for all those dogs not in your house right now that just died. How selfish of you, to limit the amount of dogs you have. You should move to a 10-acre plot in WV and rescue 100 dogs. Look, 100 dogs will die tomorrow because you were too selfish to change your lifestyle to save them.

Do you see where I'm going here? Did you not learn anything about trying to understand other people's points of view from the election? You're actually hurting the cause by being so nasty.

BTW I foster rescue dogs, and we are getting one from a breeder. That's the best fit for our family. It's breeder dog or none, so I guess we came out ahead as far as dog karma goes.

Oh look, another dog just died because you didn't save it.

You are the one being nasty.

I don't believe for a second that you foster rescue dogs. No dog foster mom would lecture people about not saving every dog on the planet. That's not possible for anyone. YOU are hurting the cause by saying such nonsense.

And I honestly do not believe that an experienced dog foster mom would get a dog from a breeder. It shows an inconsistency in values that I just don't buy.

If you foster rescue dogs, you already know the lesson I am teaching my kids when we send each foster dog off to his new home:

"We can't adopt every dog. But by fostering, we are able to save many lives instead of just one permanently adopted dog".

You posted your nasty post above because you feel defensive about getting a dog from a breeder. As you should. Because doing so encourages the birth of more, and more, and more dogs, adding to the terrible problem of unwanted dogs in society.

And bringing the election into it, what nonsense.

This doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like rescue dogs come from breeders. I'm unaware of bred dogs resulting in many unwanted dogs. Seems like most rescue dogs are unwanted breeds, mutts and often come from poor areas of the country. Seems like poverty and lack of neutering/spaying results in rescue dogs.

I'm wondering if you even know what you are talking about. On what do you base your observations? The last two foster dogs I had were 1) a purebred super smart black poodle who had been kicked and had broken bones in his hips, and 2) a pure bred silky terrier who was tied in the backyard because he started peeing in the house when his owner had a baby.

My own dog is a RESCUE (I know I'm bad for saying so) pure bred chihuahua I got from the shelter. He smelled like death when I got him because his owner had never gotten him any dental care, and his teeth were rotting out of his head. He was starved because that kept his weight down which made him more valuable as a breeding dog, which is apparently what he was used for. "Teacup" chihuahuas are more valuable for breeding, you see. Once my dog got old and smelly and was no longer valuable as a stud, he was dumped at the shelter. He's going blind and deaf now as well. Chihuahuas live a long time.... check out Chihuahua Rescue and Transport online.... highly bred dog. Highly abandoned and euthanized, as well.

So tell me again how rescue dogs don't come from breeders?

Go look at any rescue agency website and you'll see most dogs up for adoption are mutts. In other words they didn't come from breeders.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.

+1

For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.

It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.

You should get another rescue dog then. And another. And another. You are personally responsible for all those dogs not in your house right now that just died. How selfish of you, to limit the amount of dogs you have. You should move to a 10-acre plot in WV and rescue 100 dogs. Look, 100 dogs will die tomorrow because you were too selfish to change your lifestyle to save them.

Do you see where I'm going here? Did you not learn anything about trying to understand other people's points of view from the election? You're actually hurting the cause by being so nasty.

BTW I foster rescue dogs, and we are getting one from a breeder. That's the best fit for our family. It's breeder dog or none, so I guess we came out ahead as far as dog karma goes.

Oh look, another dog just died because you didn't save it.

You are the one being nasty.

I don't believe for a second that you foster rescue dogs. No dog foster mom would lecture people about not saving every dog on the planet. That's not possible for anyone. YOU are hurting the cause by saying such nonsense.

And I honestly do not believe that an experienced dog foster mom would get a dog from a breeder. It shows an inconsistency in values that I just don't buy.

If you foster rescue dogs, you already know the lesson I am teaching my kids when we send each foster dog off to his new home:

"We can't adopt every dog. But by fostering, we are able to save many lives instead of just one permanently adopted dog".

You posted your nasty post above because you feel defensive about getting a dog from a breeder. As you should. Because doing so encourages the birth of more, and more, and more dogs, adding to the terrible problem of unwanted dogs in society.

And bringing the election into it, what nonsense.

This doesn't make any sense to me. It's not like rescue dogs come from breeders. I'm unaware of bred dogs resulting in many unwanted dogs. Seems like most rescue dogs are unwanted breeds, mutts and often come from poor areas of the country. Seems like poverty and lack of neutering/spaying results in rescue dogs.

I'm wondering if you even know what you are talking about. On what do you base your observations? The last two foster dogs I had were 1) a purebred super smart black poodle who had been kicked and had broken bones in his hips, and 2) a pure bred silky terrier who was tied in the backyard because he started peeing in the house when his owner had a baby.

My own dog is a RESCUE (I know I'm bad for saying so) pure bred chihuahua I got from the shelter. He smelled like death when I got him because his owner had never gotten him any dental care, and his teeth were rotting out of his head. He was starved because that kept his weight down which made him more valuable as a breeding dog, which is apparently what he was used for. "Teacup" chihuahuas are more valuable for breeding, you see. Once my dog got old and smelly and was no longer valuable as a stud, he was dumped at the shelter. He's going blind and deaf now as well. Chihuahuas live a long time.... check out Chihuahua Rescue and Transport online.... highly bred dog. Highly abandoned and euthanized, as well.

So tell me again how rescue dogs don't come from breeders?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.

+1

For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.

It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.

You should get another rescue dog then. And another. And another. You are personally responsible for all those dogs not in your house right now that just died. How selfish of you, to limit the amount of dogs you have. You should move to a 10-acre plot in WV and rescue 100 dogs. Look, 100 dogs will die tomorrow because you were too selfish to change your lifestyle to save them.

Do you see where I'm going here? Did you not learn anything about trying to understand other people's points of view from the election? You're actually hurting the cause by being so nasty.

BTW I foster rescue dogs, and we are getting one from a breeder. That's the best fit for our family. It's breeder dog or none, so I guess we came out ahead as far as dog karma goes.

Oh look, another dog just died because you didn't save it.

You are the one being nasty.

I don't believe for a second that you foster rescue dogs. No dog foster mom would lecture people about not saving every dog on the planet. That's not possible for anyone. YOU are hurting the cause by saying such nonsense.

And I honestly do not believe that an experienced dog foster mom would get a dog from a breeder. It shows an inconsistency in values that I just don't buy.

If you foster rescue dogs, you already know the lesson I am teaching my kids when we send each foster dog off to his new home:

"We can't adopt every dog. But by fostering, we are able to save many lives instead of just one permanently adopted dog".

You posted your nasty post above because you feel defensive about getting a dog from a breeder. As you should. Because doing so encourages the birth of more, and more, and more dogs, adding to the terrible problem of unwanted dogs in society.

And bringing the election into it, what nonsense.

Different PP. I know not one but multiple people who both foster dogs and get their own dogs from responsible breeders. They believe that responsible breeding is part and parcel of responsible dog rescue.