Anonymous wrote:Not sure what Carol's issue is with The Kingdom. Looked pretty darn nice to me. I guess you have to be careful whom you trust though.

Cause it's nuts! The guy thinks he's a king? Welcome to the realm, and here's my pet tiger? An acapella group singing Bob Dylan? It's absurd.

I like that actor who plays Ezekiel, he's the voice of Cyborg on Teen Titans...

Anyone else getting possible romance vibes from Carol and Morgan AND Carol and Ezekiel?

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Anonymous wrote:People seem real fixated on the Carl arm scene.

To me, it was a great scene. Because by then, the violence had been so relentless, that I actually believed it was about to happen. And that was a horrifying thought.

Remember, it's a horror show. It was damn effective.

Yes, I was picturing exactly what Rick's face would look like as he cut off Carl's arm. I can still see it. I'm surprised it didn't happen, but I suppose it was enough to know that Rick would have done it. Actually doing it might have put Rick a bridge beyond broken, to a place where his every thought would be how to get revenge on Neegin.

Andrew Lincoln was amazing in this episode, he really sold it. His epic snot bubble deserves its own award. I'm looking forward to a WD feat. Negan, the show needed a change of pace.

LOL yes. I wonder if that was totally au natural or if the show gave him some special snot.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me where carol is? I can't remember where she left off 10 months ago. Thanks.

Hes alive but injured and recovering. They showed her for a split moment towards the end of the most recent episode.

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I want Carol to become a crazytown night assassin and go get Darryl back...

Carol decided she had enough and left Alexandria. She ran into some survivors and killed most of them, but one caught up to her and shot her. Just as he was about to finish her off, Morgan, of all people, shot and killed him. I think we will learn how that's turning out in the next episode.

I find it odd that Carol, who killed people because they were sick, who killed a child because she was a sicko, who had no qualms about threatening a little boy with leaving him in the woods where the monsters would come eat him alive, and who was the main person against Morgan's no-killing stance, somehow developed a moral compass on whether it's okay to attack the Survivors. Any theories?

I never saw any rhyme or reason to Carol's transformation. "I can no longer kill for you, and therefore I must leave you and wander off on my own."

she's been having an identity crisis for a while. Remember the list she made of all the people she killed? And her angst over killing the ladies who kidnapped her and Maggie? And her conflict with Morgan is also a part of this - she is pro-killing, he is not. Now she's having problems with killing and he shot a guy for her.

I think it's ridiculous that she left her group but the show has followed her introspection on this pretty faithfully.

Not sure what Carol's issue is with The Kingdom. Looked pretty darn nice to me. I guess you have to be careful whom you trust though.

I liked it. Ezekiel seems insane at first but then we learn that he actually turns out to be a shrewd leader. It seems like he has some long term plan for the Survivors and obviously he does for Carol. INterested to see what happens next.

The second episode was a snoozer. Could it be that the show has jumped the shark?

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Anonymous wrote:People seem real fixated on the Carl arm scene.

To me, it was a great scene. Because by then, the violence had been so relentless, that I actually believed it was about to happen. And that was a horrifying thought.

Remember, it's a horror show. It was damn effective.

Yes, I was picturing exactly what Rick's face would look like as he cut off Carl's arm. I can still see it. I'm surprised it didn't happen, but I suppose it was enough to know that Rick would have done it. Actually doing it might have put Rick a bridge beyond broken, to a place where his every thought would be how to get revenge on Neegin.

Andrew Lincoln was amazing in this episode, he really sold it. His epic snot bubble deserves its own award. I'm looking forward to a WD feat. Negan, the show needed a change of pace.

Anonymous wrote:People seem real fixated on the Carl arm scene.

To me, it was a great scene. Because by then, the violence had been so relentless, that I actually believed it was about to happen. And that was a horrifying thought.

Remember, it's a horror show. It was damn effective.

That's When I turned it off. I was really put off by the scene with Glenn and the eyeball is well. By the time I got to that point with Carl, I just wasn't interested in watching anymore. I'm not sure if I will go back to it. Maybe I will watch next week or read about it. But I just had no desire to keep watching at that point

Anonymous wrote:People seem real fixated on the Carl arm scene.

To me, it was a great scene. Because by then, the violence had been so relentless, that I actually believed it was about to happen. And that was a horrifying thought.

Remember, it's a horror show. It was damn effective.

Yes, I was picturing exactly what Rick's face would look like as he cut off Carl's arm. I can still see it. I'm surprised it didn't happen, but I suppose it was enough to know that Rick would have done it. Actually doing it might have put Rick a bridge beyond broken, to a place where his every thought would be how to get revenge on Neegin.

People seem real fixated on the Carl arm scene.

To me, it was a great scene. Because by then, the violence had been so relentless, that I actually believed it was about to happen. And that was a horrifying thought.

Remember, it's a horror show. It was damn effective.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me where carol is? I can't remember where she left off 10 months ago. Thanks.

Hes alive but injured and recovering. They showed her for a split moment towards the end of the most recent episode.

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I want Carol to become a crazytown night assassin and go get Darryl back...

Carol decided she had enough and left Alexandria. She ran into some survivors and killed most of them, but one caught up to her and shot her. Just as he was about to finish her off, Morgan, of all people, shot and killed him. I think we will learn how that's turning out in the next episode.

I find it odd that Carol, who killed people because they were sick, who killed a child because she was a sicko, who had no qualms about threatening a little boy with leaving him in the woods where the monsters would come eat him alive, and who was the main person against Morgan's no-killing stance, somehow developed a moral compass on whether it's okay to attack the Survivors. Any theories?

It was when she met the red head woman who pointed out to her that they were the bad guys. She also mentioned how she just stopped caring and lost count of how many people she'd killed. Carol lost one daughter. The red head lost four. They both believed they killed because they had to but seeing the cost to this other woman really brought something home to Carole. THAT'S when she rethought it all and left. She didn't want to become that empty, hard, angry woman.

That was one of my very favorite episodes. I recently rewatched it and it was just so very well done. It's when you really come to see that the living are the "walking dead" not the zombies.

I'm the pro-Carol assassin poster. I KNOW she's all evolved, and that's a good trajectory for her character, etc...

But I miss badass Carol, and she's obviously coming back, so why not just turn her into an Angel of Death? Even though that's kind of obvious, and would obviously be a step back for her character development... Sigh.

How do you feel about Morgan stepping up though? He broke his own rule about every life being precious when he killed that guy to save Carole. That was YUGE!!! I don't think we've seen the last of your sweet angel of death, but the writers may be giving other folks room to grow for now. I'm also pretty interested to see her divest herself of that guilt. She doesn't wear it well and it seems a step back in terms of her abuse narrative. "I can't love you because I can't kill for you anymore..."? Huh? The decision to decimate the Saviours (whoever they were in the bunker) was a profound shift. Glenn killed a sleeping man? Wow. Maybe it's only through Carole that we get to kind of absorb the horror of what they chose to do. The group had never been proactive killers before. Their shared strategy was built around survival and sometimes that involved killing (thank you, Sanctuary). But, the whole "take em out before they make a move against us" thing? That was entirely against character. She's paying the consequence. Hopefully she'll get her healing on and find a new way to be the badass we all love.

Anonymous wrote:Was there any rhyme or reason (or analysis, or suspicion) about why Abraham and Glenn were chosen? Beyond a connection to comics? WHy them?

Abe basically volunteered. He was also the biggest, baddest MF there. So, if you wanna make an impression...

As for Glenn, if you want to ignore the comic connection and that whole story line, he was the one on the end. He'd already gotten Negan's attention and was positioned well. So, when Daryl made his dumbass move, Negan went straight to Glenn, the guy on the end who seemed to matter to people (Maggie, etc.)

Anonymous wrote:Was there any rhyme or reason (or analysis, or suspicion) about why Abraham and Glenn were chosen? Beyond a connection to comics? WHy them?

I think Glenn is driven simply by the comics but just because "glenn died in the comics" but because it really sets Maggie up for a new direction. Her character is going to get interesting.

I can't explain Abraham other than a) they wanted to shock with a second death and he died by the arrow to the eye in the comics (Denise took his place in that respect in the show), so b) he was on borrowed time anyway. But, also, c) I think this choice was a sound one from Negan's POV. Abraham was a big alpha male who was not going to put up with Negan's shit. He was going to be a problem. Negan eliminated the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me where carol is? I can't remember where she left off 10 months ago. Thanks.

Hes alive but injured and recovering. They showed her for a split moment towards the end of the most recent episode.

She*

I want Carol to become a crazytown night assassin and go get Darryl back...

Carol decided she had enough and left Alexandria. She ran into some survivors and killed most of them, but one caught up to her and shot her. Just as he was about to finish her off, Morgan, of all people, shot and killed him. I think we will learn how that's turning out in the next episode.

I find it odd that Carol, who killed people because they were sick, who killed a child because she was a sicko, who had no qualms about threatening a little boy with leaving him in the woods where the monsters would come eat him alive, and who was the main person against Morgan's no-killing stance, somehow developed a moral compass on whether it's okay to attack the Survivors. Any theories?

It was when she met the red head woman who pointed out to her that they were the bad guys. She also mentioned how she just stopped caring and lost count of how many people she'd killed. Carol lost one daughter. The red head lost four. They both believed they killed because they had to but seeing the cost to this other woman really brought something home to Carole. THAT'S when she rethought it all and left. She didn't want to become that empty, hard, angry woman.

That was one of my very favorite episodes. I recently rewatched it and it was just so very well done. It's when you really come to see that the living are the "walking dead" not the zombies.

I'm the pro-Carol assassin poster. I KNOW she's all evolved, and that's a good trajectory for her character, etc...

But I miss badass Carol, and she's obviously coming back, so why not just turn her into an Angel of Death? Even though that's kind of obvious, and would obviously be a step back for her character development... Sigh.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me where carol is? I can't remember where she left off 10 months ago. Thanks.

Hes alive but injured and recovering. They showed her for a split moment towards the end of the most recent episode.

She*

I want Carol to become a crazytown night assassin and go get Darryl back...

Carol decided she had enough and left Alexandria. She ran into some survivors and killed most of them, but one caught up to her and shot her. Just as he was about to finish her off, Morgan, of all people, shot and killed him. I think we will learn how that's turning out in the next episode.

I find it odd that Carol, who killed people because they were sick, who killed a child because she was a sicko, who had no qualms about threatening a little boy with leaving him in the woods where the monsters would come eat him alive, and who was the main person against Morgan's no-killing stance, somehow developed a moral compass on whether it's okay to attack the Survivors. Any theories?

I never saw any rhyme or reason to Carol's transformation. "I can no longer kill for you, and therefore I must leave you and wander off on my own."