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Anonymous wrote:So, who exactly benefits from white privilege. I can see myself a white, upper middle class male being born on third base, but what about white working class ethnic and people derogatorily referred to as rednecks and hillbillies. When I told my Polish - American friend she benefitted from white priviledge, she responded that she spend two years in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S. and she has earned every single thing she has and that no one can tell her she's "priviledged."

There is no white privilege.

There IS American privilege. Just ask 95% people in this planet. Including the 15 million people living among us without proper documentation.

True, some folks here don't get it...that's raw American privilege.

there is white privilege and there is american privilege.

Then please define your "white privilege" so we're clear here.

This is for you, 13:41....

I don't have a personal definition of white privilege. It is what it is. You can use a dictionary as well I assume.

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Anonymous wrote:What's divisive is the fact that whites are viewed by and large as individuals and given the benefit of the doubt so that their successes or failures in life are indicative of their individual decisions whereas people of color are not viewed as individuals they are viewed first and foremost based on the narrative of their collective and are subsequently denied individuality. That is a privilege they have to earn by exceeding expectations and overcoming generalizations their very humanity is not automatically granted.

Speak for yourself, I guess. I view everyone as equal.

No if you are white you don't and its not your fault. Suppose you see a white guy jump a red light, you may think "this idiot guy" should be ticketed. But if you see a black guy jump a red light and if you think "this black idiot", then that is subtle racism and it is white privilege to not be associated with a group behavior and treated as individual. You can extrapolate this to any minority group.

If you are really honest, you will actually acknowledge this.

I am white (not PP) and I can acknowledge these feelings. We grow up in a society in which we learn from subtle (and not so subtle) cues about this. Its ingrained. But you can acknowledge it and you can do your best to overcome it.

Thank you. You are honest and I appreciate it. THe first step in correcting a situation is to acknowledge it. But many whites won't even acknowledge it and that behavior is not only not helpful but also doesn't earn the trust of the minorities.

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Anonymous wrote:What's divisive is the fact that whites are viewed by and large as individuals and given the benefit of the doubt so that their successes or failures in life are indicative of their individual decisions whereas people of color are not viewed as individuals they are viewed first and foremost based on the narrative of their collective and are subsequently denied individuality. That is a privilege they have to earn by exceeding expectations and overcoming generalizations their very humanity is not automatically granted.

Speak for yourself, I guess. I view everyone as equal.

No if you are white you don't and its not your fault. Suppose you see a white guy jump a red light, you may think "this idiot guy" should be ticketed. But if you see a black guy jump a red light and if you think "this black idiot", then that is subtle racism and it is white privilege to not be associated with a group behavior and treated as individual. You can extrapolate this to any minority group.

If you are really honest, you will actually acknowledge this.

Sorry but no. If that's how you think, then maybe look within yourself and try to do better.

so you have never made any prejudgement of anyone based on race, gender, weight, socioeconomic status? not possible.

NP. You, however, dear PP, seem to think it's fine to make all of these prejudgments (you spelled the word incorrectly, FYI), right here, based on the people whom your presume to read DCUM.

Not the pp, but the spelling of prejudgment as “prejudgement” is not incorrect. In fact, it is more relevant in Britain. But, it is acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:What's divisive is the fact that whites are viewed by and large as individuals and given the benefit of the doubt so that their successes or failures in life are indicative of their individual decisions whereas people of color are not viewed as individuals they are viewed first and foremost based on the narrative of their collective and are subsequently denied individuality. That is a privilege they have to earn by exceeding expectations and overcoming generalizations their very humanity is not automatically granted.

Speak for yourself, I guess. I view everyone as equal.

No if you are white you don't and its not your fault. Suppose you see a white guy jump a red light, you may think "this idiot guy" should be ticketed. But if you see a black guy jump a red light and if you think "this black idiot", then that is subtle racism and it is white privilege to not be associated with a group behavior and treated as individual. You can extrapolate this to any minority group.

If you are really honest, you will actually acknowledge this.

Sorry but no. If that's how you think, then maybe look within yourself and try to do better.

so you have never made any prejudgement of anyone based on race, gender, weight, socioeconomic status? not possible.

NP. You, however, dear PP, seem to think it's fine to make all of these prejudgments (you spelled the word incorrectly, FYI), right here, based on the people whom your presume to read DCUM.

I'm saying its human nature. It has nothing to do with who reads DCUM. I'm not saying anyone is racist or intentionally cruel. Just that humans do make judgements as part of our nature. You cannot escape it.

Anonymous wrote:Your friend probably did not face housing discrimination or job discrimination and obviously made it into your upper middle class social circle where you apparently sit around and talk about how non-whites complain too much.

Again, it's lies like this that Anger white people and propel Trump.
Yes, there is housing and job discrimination. Here's why whites discriminate.

Housing
If Landlords rent to Blacks, they think the Landlord is further govt assistance. They do everything possible to squeeze the Landlord out of rent. Don't pay on time, don't pay for damages. When confronted, they whine and whine about racism.

Job
You can't get rid of Blacks that won't do the job. If you try, they scream racism again.

No one wants to deal with that shit.

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Anonymous wrote:What's divisive is the fact that whites are viewed by and large as individuals and given the benefit of the doubt so that their successes or failures in life are indicative of their individual decisions whereas people of color are not viewed as individuals they are viewed first and foremost based on the narrative of their collective and are subsequently denied individuality. That is a privilege they have to earn by exceeding expectations and overcoming generalizations their very humanity is not automatically granted.

Speak for yourself, I guess. I view everyone as equal.

That's great but I'm not talking about you, in particular nor am I speaking for myself.
I, like you, tend to try and give everyone the benefit of the doubt and I , like you, try to view everyone as individuals.
But I'm not speaking about myself or anyone else for that matter when I say that whites are viewed by and large as individuals while people of color are viewed as part of their collective...I'm speaking about society as a whole and more specifically I'm speaking about the systemic views of our society in the sense that while a cop or a lawyer or a judge may regard a person of color as an individual but law enforcement agencies and the judicial system by and large doesn't.
I'm speaking about the systemic views of our society in the sense that while a banker or a mortgage lender may regard a person of color as an individual but financial institutions by and large don't.
I'm speaking about the systemic views of our society in the sense that while a reporter or a journalist may regard a person of color as an individual but the media by and large doesn't.
It is the skewed societal and systemic views that are primarily responsible for stereotyping and criminalizing and dehumanizing people of color more so than everyday people like you and I - we're primarily just spectators taking in all the programming and propaganda and ultimately we decide for ourselves whether to buy into it or not but the reality is its being widely circulated and most spectators simply believe what they see and accept what they're told.

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Anonymous wrote:So, who exactly benefits from white privilege. I can see myself a white, upper middle class male being born on third base, but what about white working class ethnic and people derogatorily referred to as rednecks and hillbillies. When I told my Polish - American friend she benefitted from white priviledge, she responded that she spend two years in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S. and she has earned every single thing she has and that no one can tell her she's "priviledged."

There is no white privilege.

There IS American privilege. Just ask 95% people in this planet. Including the 15 million people living among us without proper documentation.

True, some folks here don't get it...that's raw American privilege.

there is white privilege and there is american privilege.

Then please define your "white privilege" so we're clear here.

This is for you, 13:41....

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Anonymous wrote:What's divisive is the fact that whites are viewed by and large as individuals and given the benefit of the doubt so that their successes or failures in life are indicative of their individual decisions whereas people of color are not viewed as individuals they are viewed first and foremost based on the narrative of their collective and are subsequently denied individuality. That is a privilege they have to earn by exceeding expectations and overcoming generalizations their very humanity is not automatically granted.

Speak for yourself, I guess. I view everyone as equal.

No if you are white you don't and its not your fault. Suppose you see a white guy jump a red light, you may think "this idiot guy" should be ticketed. But if you see a black guy jump a red light and if you think "this black idiot", then that is subtle racism and it is white privilege to not be associated with a group behavior and treated as individual. You can extrapolate this to any minority group.

If you are really honest, you will actually acknowledge this.

Sorry but no. If that's how you think, then maybe look within yourself and try to do better.

so you have never made any prejudgement of anyone based on race, gender, weight, socioeconomic status? not possible.

NP. You, however, dear PP, seem to think it's fine to make all of these prejudgments (you spelled the word incorrectly, FYI), right here, based on the people whom your presume to read DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:You tell your Polish friend to commit a crime, any crime, from jaywalking to murder and then you tell them to compare the circumstances of their arrest and the harshness of their sentence (if any) to that of a person of color who committed the same crime.

That's because my Polish friend doesn't have a 4 page long rap sheet of convictions

Ouch.

Anonymous wrote:You tell your Polish friend to commit a crime, any crime, from jaywalking to murder and then you tell them to compare the circumstances of their arrest and the harshness of their sentence (if any) to that of a person of color who committed the same crime.

That's because my Polish friend doesn't have a 4 page long rap sheet of convictions

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Anonymous wrote:So, who exactly benefits from white privilege. I can see myself a white, upper middle class male being born on third base, but what about white working class ethnic and people derogatorily referred to as rednecks and hillbillies. When I told my Polish - American friend she benefitted from white priviledge, she responded that she spend two years in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S. and she has earned every single thing she has and that no one can tell her she's "priviledged."

There is no white privilege.

There IS American privilege. Just ask 95% people in this planet. Including the 15 million people living among us without proper documentation.

True, some folks here don't get it...that's raw American privilege.

there is white privilege and there is american privilege.

Then please define your "white privilege" so we're clear here.

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Anonymous wrote:So, who exactly benefits from white privilege. I can see myself a white, upper middle class male being born on third base, but what about white working class ethnic and people derogatorily referred to as rednecks and hillbillies. When I told my Polish - American friend she benefitted from white priviledge, she responded that she spend two years in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S. and she has earned every single thing she has and that no one can tell her she's "priviledged."

There is no white privilege.

There IS American privilege. Just ask 95% people in this planet. Including the 15 million people living among us without proper documentation.

True, some folks here don't get it...that's raw American privilege.

there is white privilege and there is american privilege.

Anonymous wrote:So, who exactly benefits from white privilege. I can see myself a white, upper middle class male being born on third base, but what about white working class ethnic and people derogatorily referred to as rednecks and hillbillies. When I told my Polish - American friend she benefitted from white priviledge, she responded that she spend two years in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S. and she has earned every single thing she has and that no one can tell her she's "priviledged."

There is no white privilege.

There IS American privilege. Just ask 95% people in this planet. Including the 15 million people living among us without proper documentation.

True, some folks here don't get it...that's raw American privilege.

Anonymous wrote:So, who exactly benefits from white privilege. I can see myself a white, upper middle class male being born on third base, but what about white working class ethnic and people derogatorily referred to as rednecks and hillbillies. When I told my Polish - American friend she benefitted from white priviledge, she responded that she spend two years in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S. and she has earned every single thing she has and that no one can tell her she's "priviledged."

Hence, "white privilege" is a RACIST term,
and should be condemned as such.

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Anonymous wrote:What's divisive is the fact that whites are viewed by and large as individuals and given the benefit of the doubt so that their successes or failures in life are indicative of their individual decisions whereas people of color are not viewed as individuals they are viewed first and foremost based on the narrative of their collective and are subsequently denied individuality. That is a privilege they have to earn by exceeding expectations and overcoming generalizations their very humanity is not automatically granted.

Speak for yourself, I guess. I view everyone as equal.

No if you are white you don't and its not your fault. Suppose you see a white guy jump a red light, you may think "this idiot guy" should be ticketed. But if you see a black guy jump a red light and if you think "this black idiot", then that is subtle racism and it is white privilege to not be associated with a group behavior and treated as individual. You can extrapolate this to any minority group.

If you are really honest, you will actually acknowledge this.

Not the pp.
WTF? Are you getting into the minds of others now?
Who exactly are you to tell the pp that he/she does not view everyone as equal?
Do you have any idea how arrogant you sound?