Anonymous wrote:I am NO FAN of Hillary. In fact, I'll be voting for Trump. I don't see what is so terrible about this article. She is a focused, ruthless politician who did what she had to do so that her husband would win. Male politicians never get criticized for this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's fair to judge Hillary on her actions in the 90s by the standards we have now.

We're usually much more careful about using a woman's past, especially her sexual past, to discredit her now than we were 20 years ago.*

That being said, if you believe that your political enemies are manufacturing adultery stories in order to ruin your husband's political career, wouldn't it make sense to try to discredit them? I'm not sure what I would have done in her situation.

Bill told Hillary that he hadn't been unfaithful and these women were lying, and she believed him. From the story, it looks like she was on board with trying to show that the women were not telling the truth, but she did not direct the efforts. Later, when she found out Bill had lied to her about affairs, she felt betrayed and had to take stock of her marriage.

* Donald Trump DURING THIS ELECTION has personally used a woman's sexual history in an attempt to discredit her. To my mind this is worse than what Hillary did.

I don't think it's wrong for this issue to be discussed. It's a good issue for feminists to think about, especially feminists who want to be politicians. This was sort of new ground when Clinton was involved in it in the nineties and I think she was in a bit of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.

Know what's worse? Donald Trump's lewd and sexist behavior on The Apprentice set. I also think it's nuts that adulterer Donald Trump and his team of sexist adulterous advisors including Guliani and Ailes want to lecture a woman on how to behave when your husband is accused of cheating.

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Mental gymnastics. Liberals are clamoring on about Trump making s comment years ago about a Miss Universe winner. Hillary paraded her around, it was on CNN. So there isn't a time limit in this stuff.

Trump may have said some unflattering things, Bill has raped and assaulted multiple women, and Hillary enables it. Not only enables, it makes the victims worse off silencing them and intimidating them. She's deplorable and so are you for sticking up for her

Oh so you're saying that it was okay for Trump to call Machado Miss Piggy and Miss Housekeeping in 1996, even though things are different now?

BTW, you lose this argument because Trump doubled down and insulted Machado all over again for this entire last week. In fact he made things even worse by trying to discredit her by casting aspersions on her sexual history. LAST WEEK. A FEW DAYS AGO. Which is exactly what he is accusing Hillary of doing in the nineties, except he is doing it right now. Stay classy, Donald.

PS: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/03/report_donald_trump_sexually_harassed_apprentice_crew_members_contestants.html

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny to hear all of you proscribing the best way for the first presidential female nominee of a major party to fight the patriarchy. She's been a first lady, a senator, a secretary of state, a mom, a wife, a lawyer, and an inspiration to many women and kids. (My own kid has her children's book.)

I thought we were trying to let one another choose what to do with our bodies and our romantic lives and our careers these days instead of mandating the correct One Way for each other. No? Not when it comes to women who might be president, I guess. Go figure.

Lol. Bullshit. The only woman buying Hillary's book for their kid is Huma.

Au contraire! I bought this Clinton story book after my kid was first born, long after she had lost the primary to Obama, to let her know that women could fight for principles and could run for president. It's quite a good book, actually -- the watercolers are lovely.



But I must say, in terms of children's books that give a true picture of the person for running for president, Michael Ian Black's "A Child's First Book of Trump" probably beats the Clinton book.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny to hear all of you proscribing the best way for the first presidential female nominee of a major party to fight the patriarchy. She's been a first lady, a senator, a secretary of state, a mom, a wife, a lawyer, and an inspiration to many women and kids. (My own kid has her children's book.)

I thought we were trying to let one another choose what to do with our bodies and our romantic lives and our careers these days instead of mandating the correct One Way for each other. No? Not when it comes to women who might be president, I guess. Go figure.

Lol. Bullshit. The only woman buying Hillary's book for their kid is Huma.

Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny to hear all of you proscribing the best way for the first presidential female nominee of a major party to fight the patriarchy. She's been a first lady, a senator, a secretary of state, a mom, a wife, a lawyer, and an inspiration to many women and kids. (My own kid has her children's book.)

I thought we were trying to let one another choose what to do with our bodies and our romantic lives and our careers these days instead of mandating the correct One Way for each other. No? Not when it comes to women who might be president, I guess. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

I'm 50, hon, and all of my friends in bad marriages got the fuck out. They didn't stick around. One, in fact, is struggling right now with three kids squeezed into a small townhouse. better than being with the asshole

So there are plenty of women - rich, poor, in the middle - who have more integrity than Hillary.


Immature 50 yo signing off!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

I'm 50, hon, and all of my friends in bad marriages got the fuck out. They didn't stick around. One, in fact, is struggling right now with three kids squeezed into a small townhouse. better than being with the asshole

So there are plenty of women - rich, poor, in the middle - who have more integrity than Hillary.


Immature 50 yo signing off!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm lol'ing at the hundreds of hypocrite lefties in the nytimes.com comment section saying "This is old news! This is 20 years old! Any woman would do the same to protect their family!"

The majority of women would have dumped him.

I agree - especially women who shared similar credentials.

Can you imagine some of our "best" DCUM female attorneys making excuses for their high-profile husbands?

wouldn't happen unless they were completely insecure or so into appearances that they'd be willing to share their husband's penis with the world

I do wonder about the women who support Hillary with these excuses that she "did it for the family" or that it was "their personal business." makes me think they married a Bill, too

Are you 30? I know many women at this point in my career that this has happened to. I learned that I never know how I am going to react if it happened to me. One can never understand another person's marriage. To pass judgment is immature.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a feminist. This article handles her involvement in taking down the women Bill had affairs with with kid gloves. Hillary is ruthless as a politician and THE thing that makes me queasy about her is the way she relentlessly worked to destroy Flowers and Lewinsky. Women who did not deserve to have their names and lives muddied because of her philandering husband. As a feminist this makes me sick. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

My 9 year old is better equipped to be president than Gary Johnson. At least my fourth grader knows what's happening in Aleppo and can name several world leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a feminist. This article handles her involvement in taking down the women Bill had affairs with with kid gloves. Hillary is ruthless as a politician and THE thing that makes me queasy about her is the way she relentlessly worked to destroy Flowers and Lewinsky. Women who did not deserve to have their names and lives muddied because of her philandering husband. As a feminist this makes me sick. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

lol!

same here!!!

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Jokes on you then. Gary Johnson doesn't believe in women's rights.

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Anonymous wrote:You vote for Hillary, or vote for Trump, and you are validating the horrendous outcome of this primary season. You are saying that it's okay for them to do it again. Voting for someone other than them sends a message to the parties. So, for all those of you who call it a wasted vote, you are wrong.

Uh, why didn't you vote for someone different in the primaries and try to get your voice heard then? I did.

Playtime is over. It's either Grandma Nixon or Orange Voldemort. Personally, Grandma Nixon is the thinking choice here.

I voted for Bernie, and I'm going third party in November.

I didn't put either asshole up there to compete. So why should I give either asshole my vote?

Anonymous wrote:You vote for Hillary, or vote for Trump, and you are validating the horrendous outcome of this primary season. You are saying that it's okay for them to do it again. Voting for someone other than them sends a message to the parties. So, for all those of you who call it a wasted vote, you are wrong.