Anonymous
09/26/2016 20:11
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have known a fair few Chileans and Argentinians over the years and they all considered themselves "white." Their culture was "Latino" as they identified with the culture of the European Mediterranean world and ancestral heritage in Southern Europe (as well as all the German/Irish emigrants who adopted the "Latino" lifestyle). Plenty of blond haired, blue eyed South Americans
Argentine: An Italian who speaks Spanish and thinks he's an English gentleman.
Argentinians are the worst. so stuck up. despise them.
Believe me we hate you too. Bruja de mierda
Anonymous
09/26/2016 20:04
Subject: Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
If you can identify with another gender, why can't you identify with another race. Your son should put down that he is a Black woman.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 19:41
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!
seriously?! You should be ashamed of yourself. So you're saying that a person that is 75% Mexican but 25% German due to German grandfather doesn't have the right to check Hispanic?!
Unbelievable.
Uh...where did I say that? According to OP, her kid is 25 percent Hispanic and it doesn't sound like the family has any Latino identity other than a Grandfather they conveniently pull out for college admissions. If you haven't checked the box your entire life, don't start because you think it will give you an edge in college admissions. Itis slimey!
Anonymous
09/26/2016 16:00
Subject: Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Check the hispanic box if you want to. White or black or asian are races. Hispanic is an ethnicity--you can be Hispanic and any one or combo of the races, at least according to the Census.
It may give you an edge in admissions or it may not-depending on the school. If the students themselves are filling out applications they check anything they want to and/or feel like. It is not an exact science.
It may give you an edge in admissions or it may not-depending on the school. If the students themselves are filling out applications they check anything they want to and/or feel like. It is not an exact science.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 15:28
Subject: Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:Check the freaking Hispanic box! If America follows the one drop rule with Blacks, might as well follow it for all ethnicities.
+1.
When the whole "box" thing makes no sense...it's futile to try to make much sense of it.
OP, that "box" is pretty arbitrary. Do what you feel like doing.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 13:31
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!
seriously?! You should be ashamed of yourself. So you're saying that a person that is 75% Mexican but 25% German due to German grandfather doesn't have the right to check Hispanic?!
Unbelievable.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 13:27
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!
+1. I can't believe you are considering checking "Hispanic." DW's parents are from South America and they speak Spanish fluently but they're European one generation before that and are all educated professionals with a long family history of such. She would never check Hispanic because it's not what the box is there for. I work in academia and also agree that an application with a German last name checking Hispanic is likely to seriously get my derision, legal or not. And even if your last name is "Garcia" and you show up looking Giselle Bunschen or Albert Einstein (many physicists or their parents were refugees to South America who, like Einstein, fled the Nazis in Europe), I will not be impressed either.
Don't make yourself or your children into an Elizabeth Warren style joke. There are real students who are the first in their family to go to college or that suffered as a result of the political upheavals in Latin America. Admissions are looking for them to create diversity. Are they looking for you?
But Hispanic is Hispanic, right? Or to be more politically correct, Latino?
Anonymous
09/26/2016 13:23
Subject: Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Check the freaking Hispanic box! If America follows the one drop rule with Blacks, might as well follow it for all ethnicities.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 13:22
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Depends on how you approach your ethics.
I had several close Hispanic friends in college. They were proud to call themselves Latinos (and white too). They were from well-off families in Mexico and Central America. They often had parents who had already gone to college in the US back in the dark days of overt racism. That was their heritage. But they had a very different life experience, culturally and socially, than the poorer members of their societies, who are also Hispanics. And, of course, different from the African American experience in the US.
Truth be told, I don't know what extent the term Hispanic has any influence on college admissions. I'm guessing the admissions officers can easily pick up the difference between a well off Hispanic student and someone who's a first generation child of immigrants (parents' occupations, where/if they went to college etc) that it may ultimately be a moot point when it comes to affirmative action.
I had several close Hispanic friends in college. They were proud to call themselves Latinos (and white too). They were from well-off families in Mexico and Central America. They often had parents who had already gone to college in the US back in the dark days of overt racism. That was their heritage. But they had a very different life experience, culturally and socially, than the poorer members of their societies, who are also Hispanics. And, of course, different from the African American experience in the US.
Truth be told, I don't know what extent the term Hispanic has any influence on college admissions. I'm guessing the admissions officers can easily pick up the difference between a well off Hispanic student and someone who's a first generation child of immigrants (parents' occupations, where/if they went to college etc) that it may ultimately be a moot point when it comes to affirmative action.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So, is it somehow "unfair" or "crap" for him to check the "Hispanic" box on forms? I personally think that college preferences/aid should be mainly based on SES rather than race. But the system we have is the system we have. Does it mean that he has to deny half his heritage in order to meet some self-imposed standard of fairness?
Anonymous
09/26/2016 12:53
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!
I don't think you're being fair yourself. DH's father is Hispanic -- he immigrated here when he was a teen. DH grew up feeling culturally connected to his father's family and heritage, speaks Spanish and considers himself multi-ethnic. He also grew up comfortably middle-class with college-educated parents. His last name would not raise eyebrows among your colleagues, but that's just coincidence -- if he had his mother's last name his ethnicity wouldn't be obvious.
So, is it somehow "unfair" or "crap" for him to check the "Hispanic" box on forms? I personally think that college preferences/aid should be mainly based on SES rather than race. But the system we have is the system we have. Does it mean that he has to deny half his heritage in order to meet some self-imposed standard of fairness?
You answered your question though---your DH spoke spanish and felt connected to his father's family. He is Hispanic. I wouldn't argue with that. But when someone out of the woodwork suddenly decides to check the box when they are going to college, that is the problem!
Anonymous
09/26/2016 12:44
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!
You're a complete moron. Most German emigration to Latin America occurred before 1933 when the Nazis took power. So a German last name does NOT mean Nazi. And oh by the way, many Germans who emigrated in the 1930s were ANTI-NAZI or JEWISH, in other words the opposite of Nazi.
+1.
Bien dicho.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 12:10
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have known a fair few Chileans and Argentinians over the years and they all considered themselves "white." Their culture was "Latino" as they identified with the culture of the European Mediterranean world and ancestral heritage in Southern Europe (as well as all the German/Irish emigrants who adopted the "Latino" lifestyle). Plenty of blond haired, blue eyed South Americans
Argentine: An Italian who speaks Spanish and thinks he's an English gentleman.
Argentinians are the worst. so stuck up. despise them.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 12:08
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:I have known a fair few Chileans and Argentinians over the years and they all considered themselves "white." Their culture was "Latino" as they identified with the culture of the European Mediterranean world and ancestral heritage in Southern Europe (as well as all the German/Irish emigrants who adopted the "Latino" lifestyle). Plenty of blond haired, blue eyed South Americans
Argentine: An Italian who speaks Spanish and thinks he's an English gentleman.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 12:04
Subject: Re:Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:As a Latina I find this whole thread offensive. If you have to ask the question, the answer is no. I have worked admissions, and we noted when people pulled crap like this. Also, you check the box with a German last name, you know every says "oh, Nazi.". I wish I were kidding!
You're a complete moron. Most German emigration to Latin America occurred before 1933 when the Nazis took power. So a German last name does NOT mean Nazi. And oh by the way, many Germans who emigrated in the 1930s were ANTI-NAZI or JEWISH, in other words the opposite of Nazi.
Anonymous
09/26/2016 11:44
Subject: Grandfather is from Chile, (Hispanic) : my DC 25% Hispanic?
Anonymous wrote:I would wait to see how the presidential debate goes tonight before checking hispanic.
if trump wins, i can see t25 schools increasing URM allowances as defiance. Target quotas go from a current 15-20% URM to 50%.