jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatever happened to peaceful protests and exercising our First Amendment right?

Check the threads about Colin Kaepernick and you will see there is not a whole lot of tolerance for peaceful protest either.

So often in our nation if you don't agree with anothers beliefs it is labeled intolerance. Way too often one is called a hater. But dissenting opinion isn't intolerance. Not agreeing with anothers opinions or beliefs is not intolerance.

Calling for someone to be fired from their job (which has been done many times right here on DCUM) or even killed for engaging in peaceful protest my not be "intolerance" in your opinion, but it is in mine.

Fired? Depends on the situation. Suggesting someone be killed, or even physically harmed, for peaceful protest? Never acceptable.

But what part of my 'example' didn't get through? "But dissenting opinion isn't intolerance. Not agreeing with anothers opinions or beliefs is not intolerance."

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't cops supposed to make arrests of law breakers?

Why didn't they??
Why did they delay doing their job???

I wonder what instructions were given to the police. It's possible they were told to give the rioters "space to destroy."

I heard the chief interviewed last night. He said they would use tear gas and other methods to control crowds.
When you have mobs of people destroying property and breaking into stores, it is not safe for the cops to make arrests on the spot. The police are not going to unnecessarily risk their own safety to make arrests when people are destroying property. They will likely attempt to identify those who caused property damage after the fact and make arrests at that point.

Anonymous wrote:Aren't cops supposed to make arrests of law breakers?

Why didn't they??
Why did they delay doing their job???

I wonder what instructions were given to the police. It's possible they were told to give the rioters "space to destroy."

Aren't cops supposed to make arrests of law breakers?

Why didn't they??
Why did they delay doing their job???

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatever happened to peaceful protests and exercising our First Amendment right?

Check the threads about Colin Kaepernick and you will see there is not a whole lot of tolerance for peaceful protest either.

So often in our nation if you don't agree with anothers beliefs it is labeled intolerance. Way too often one is called a hater. But dissenting opinion isn't intolerance. Not agreeing with anothers opinions or beliefs is not intolerance.

Calling for someone to be fired from their job (which has been done many times right here on DCUM) or even killed for engaging in peaceful protest my not be "intolerance" in your opinion, but it is in mine.

"Marcus DiPaulo, a freelance photographer, told CNN he saw some rioters knock over an ATM and grab money from it."

"The Hyatt House Hotel in downtown went into lockdown as protesters tossed bricks through the window. A valet and front desk attendant were punched in the face by protesters, hotel manager Matt Allen told CNN."

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatever happened to peaceful protests and exercising our First Amendment right?

Check the threads about Colin Kaepernick and you will see there is not a whole lot of tolerance for peaceful protest either.

So often in our nation if you don't agree with anothers beliefs it is labeled intolerance. Way too often one is called a hater. But dissenting opinion isn't intolerance. Not agreeing with anothers opinions or beliefs is not intolerance.

Anonymous wrote:

Shut up with the myth of the black welfare queen, majority of welfare recipients are white, largest population of Section 8 receipients is some predominately Jewish neighborhood in NYC. Just take a seat with your surface level understanding and refusal to truly address racism. You are not helping to do anything but to keep yourself deluded. Is RIOTING wrong? HELL YEA!
But when you are too blind to Serbia poverty and and oppression create a powder keg and addressing those ROOT causes is how you keep from happening , take a seat!

Maybe you should take a seat in a statistics class.

If whites make up the majority of the population (at least for now), statistically they have more chances of living in poverty.

not saying there's no oppression or root causes of poverty and oppression in black communities - which have led to some very ugly and dangerous situations

However, stats are stats.

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Figure 10 on https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p70-141.pdf shows in 2012 41% of Blacks received assistance, vs 13% of non-Hispanic Whites

Shut up with the myth of the black welfare queen, majority of welfare recipients are white, largest population of Section 8 receipients is some predominately Jewish neighborhood in NYC. Just take a seat with your surface level understanding and refusal to truly address racism. You are not helping to do anything but to keep yourself deluded. Is RIOTING wrong? HELL YEA!
But when you are too blind to Serbia poverty and and oppression create a powder keg and addressing those ROOT causes is how you keep from happening , take a seat!

Maybe you should take a seat in a statistics class.

If whites make up the majority of the population (at least for now), statistically they have more chances of living in poverty.

not saying there's no oppression or root causes of poverty and oppression in black communities - which have led to some very ugly and dangerous situations

However, stats are stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Caution to one and all. Mention Baltimore was about looting, Ferguson was about looting and so long as such is tolerated it will continue. Then suggest it should be addressed with action and it will disappear. This isn't about race it's about criminals doing criminal acts. And anyone whose sensibility is so frail that you can't accept the reality of what I have written then perhaps you shouldn't foray into this, or any other, forum. We as a society must act with care, caution and justice. But when laws are being broken and innocent citizens are being terrorized, assaulted, having their property destroyed, and more, then as a society we have to act with whatever it takes. Tolerate and you will get more and more of this.

+1000000

All of the +1s

This! Bring in the National Guard. Use FORCE! These cities are under seige, war zones. These rioters are criminals, thugs and lowlifes terrorizing innocent people. They looted, cleaned out the NBA Charlotte Hornets store, Walmart, trashing and burning everything in sight, including their fellow man.

How does acting like what the "racists" say they are advance their cause? It doesn't! In fact, it breeds even more disrespect and contempt. Bring in the fire hoses, riot gear and lock them all up. I am done with this scene playing out in every city where a black man gets shot. They don't even wait for the truth to come out either way before they piillage plunder and steal.

They want complete anarchy. Black police chief, black cop. This is asinine. Watch Trump's polls jump.overnight. People of all races are sick of it!!!!

Can you imagine the complete meltdown that would happen if the National Guard used force against the African American community? Even if justified in the case of a riot?

I know a little bit about the way our National Guard works. There might be a "meltdown", but I imagine it would be short lived. It's easy to be brave against tear gas and flash grenades. Our Guard members are mostly combat vets at this point. They won't likely be shooting rubber bullets. I think it's about time to start shooting anyone who threatens a police officer.

And the next day the headlines would be " u.s. soldiers murder unarmed african americans" making this situation about a billion times worse.

So what's the answer then? Because innocent lives of all colors are at risk here while they destroy a city and act like animals. The fact that many of you are saying we should allow people to break the law and/or allow death and destruction just because their skin is a certain color just shows you how far this country has fallen. The fact that you can no longer say what is clear as day right or wrong for fear of the backlash of being called racist speaks volumes. Good people everywhere of all skin colors are terrified of this coming to their city next. Now, video footage is showing the man had a gun. The shooting of the victim in Tulsa it is definitely questionable and very upsetting but they aren't rioting there. This state of this country is terrifying.

I have answers. Like all welfare does is keep people in poverty and we need to find another way to temporarily assist people in need. Mention that though and you get called a racist.

Dare to say "Let's not rush to judgement and wait for the facts" in an officer involved shooting and you get ripped apart.

Try to empathize and you get ripped apart because your a white but your empathy was simply from the standpoint of a fellow American.

Get lashed out at enough times and you stop trying to help, stop trying to support.

My family is all military. I have LE relatives including my brother. I've lost people to both. But my feelings and my fear for LE/military doesn't matter. It just makes me a racist ... and I couldn't be farther from it.

Shut up with the myth of the black welfare queen, majority of welfare recipients are white, largest population of Section 8 receipients is some predominately Jewish neighborhood in NYC. Just take a seat with your surface level understanding and refusal to truly address racism. You are not helping to do anything but to keep yourself deluded. Is RIOTING wrong? HELL YEA!
But when you are too blind to Serbia poverty and and oppression create a powder keg and addressing those ROOT causes is how you keep from happening , take a seat!

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When they have a BLACK Police Chief with BLACK cops, HOW is that a RACIAL issue??

Omg people are stupid
You have no ideas about racism, self hate and institutionalize, systemic racism

Please enlighten us here about self hate. You hate yourself, so you go out and kill some random people of your race? Do other races of the world have the same sort of self hate, and the same display of raging killings? Do Latinos also do this method of self hate? Please educate us here.

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And the only thing that is going to end all those ills is for the black community to pull itself up and out. No one can do it for them.

I'm no Farrakhan supporter. However, he slammed black gang members for destroying their communities and he slammed Obama for not doing enough. Dysfunction and dangerous behavior both go hand-in-hand with poverty. in other words - when you have nothing to lose . . .

But there comes a point where people have to pull themselves up.

White people cannot get involved to that extent, as the effort isn't viewed as sincere and more often than not, the communities won't welcome their presence. Furthermore, social programs are inefficient, as these jobs don't attract the best and brightest b/c salary is abysmal. Furthermore, those who enter the fields with the best of intentions burn out. So it's a revolving door.

The most we can do is to improve wrap around services by being as inclusive as possible - all partnered with police outreach.

But with this divisive election - with buffoon vs. buffoon - we've created a situation ripe for civil war. I don't believe Hillary is any better for the country than Trump is. We need someone who understands the root of this dysfunction and who will address it with the people in these communities who are suffering. Somehow I can't picture either one doing that b/c I don't believe either one is sincere.

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Anonymous wrote:
When they have a BLACK Police Chief with BLACK cops, HOW is that a RACIAL issue??

Omg people are stupid
You have no ideas about racism, self hate and institutionalize, systemic racism

And neither do you, especially if you live in the United States of America. If you want to learn those 'ideas', travel anywhere in Africa or south America.

So much this.

Being American makes you privileged.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When they have a BLACK Police Chief with BLACK cops, HOW is that a RACIAL issue??

Omg people are stupid
You have no ideas about racism, self hate and institutionalize, systemic racism

And neither do you, especially if you live in the United States of America. If you want to learn those 'ideas', travel anywhere in Africa or south America.

Anonymous wrote:Have they learned nothing from Baltimore? There are not enough police officers in Charlotte, at all. Where is the mayor? Where is the transgendered obsessed bathroom governor?

Actually, it's the mayor of Charlotte who brought all that up. At least throw your shade in the appropriate direction.

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Anonymous wrote:Caution to one and all. Mention Baltimore was about looting, Ferguson was about looting and so long as such is tolerated it will continue. Then suggest it should be addressed with action and it will disappear. This isn't about race it's about criminals doing criminal acts. And anyone whose sensibility is so frail that you can't accept the reality of what I have written then perhaps you shouldn't foray into this, or any other, forum. We as a society must act with care, caution and justice. But when laws are being broken and innocent citizens are being terrorized, assaulted, having their property destroyed, and more, then as a society we have to act with whatever it takes. Tolerate and you will get more and more of this.

+1000000

All of the +1s

This! Bring in the National Guard. Use FORCE! These cities are under seige, war zones. These rioters are criminals, thugs and lowlifes terrorizing innocent people. They looted, cleaned out the NBA Charlotte Hornets store, Walmart, trashing and burning everything in sight, including their fellow man.

How does acting like what the "racists" say they are advance their cause? It doesn't! In fact, it breeds even more disrespect and contempt. Bring in the fire hoses, riot gear and lock them all up. I am done with this scene playing out in every city where a black man gets shot. They don't even wait for the truth to come out either way before they piillage plunder and steal.

They want complete anarchy. Black police chief, black cop. This is asinine. Watch Trump's polls jump.overnight. People of all races are sick of it!!!!

Can you imagine the complete meltdown that would happen if the National Guard used force against the African American community? Even if justified in the case of a riot?

I know a little bit about the way our National Guard works. There might be a "meltdown", but I imagine it would be short lived. It's easy to be brave against tear gas and flash grenades. Our Guard members are mostly combat vets at this point. They won't likely be shooting rubber bullets. I think it's about time to start shooting anyone who threatens a police officer.

And the next day the headlines would be " u.s. soldiers murder unarmed african americans" making this situation about a billion times worse.

So what's the answer then? Because innocent lives of all colors are at risk here while they destroy a city and act like animals. The fact that many of you are saying we should allow people to break the law and/or allow death and destruction just because their skin is a certain color just shows you how far this country has fallen. The fact that you can no longer say what is clear as day right or wrong for fear of the backlash of being called racist speaks volumes. Good people everywhere of all skin colors are terrified of this coming to their city next. Now, video footage is showing the man had a gun. The shooting of the victim in Tulsa it is definitely questionable and very upsetting but they aren't rioting there. This state of this country is terrifying.

I have answers. Like all welfare does is keep people in poverty and we need to find another way to temporarily assist people in need. Mention that though and you get called a racist.

Dare to say "Let's not rush to judgement and wait for the facts" in an officer involved shooting and you get ripped apart.

Try to empathize and you get ripped apart because your a white but your empathy was simply from the standpoint of a fellow American.

Get lashed out at enough times and you stop trying to help, stop trying to support.

My family is all military. I have LE relatives including my brother. I've lost people to both. But my feelings and my fear for LE/military doesn't matter. It just makes me a racist ... and I couldn't be farther from it.